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Old February 1st 07, 07:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
donquijote1954
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Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles. And how about those
who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.
But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
Napoleon himself...

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...h_napoleon.jpg

(Bush and Napoleon... http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04102003.html)


HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
words...

Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
the quick way out of poverty..."

And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
to the effect of exploring life in other planets...

***

PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
approved, is to be released Friday.

Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.

The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
means a 99 percent chance.

The report is considered an authoritative document that could
influence government and industrial policy worldwide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/...climate_change

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

THE BANANA REVOLUTION
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

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Old February 1st 07, 07:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
Bill Baka
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donquijote1954 wrote:
Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.


Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no goods.

And how about those
who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.


It really is a case of blame the humans, mostly for over populating and
causing the congestion in the first place.

But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
Napoleon himself...

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...h_napoleon.jpg

(Bush and Napoleon... http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04102003.html)


HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
words...


OK, that covers both Bushes.

Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
the quick way out of poverty..."

And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
to the effect of exploring life in other planets...

***

PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
approved, is to be released Friday.

Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.


DUH!

The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
means a 99 percent chance.


Nobody wants to mention that humans are causing the greatest mass
extinction of species that has ever happened in the world, except for
the meteor that took out the dinosaurs.

The report is considered an authoritative document that could
influence government and industrial policy worldwide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/...climate_change

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

THE BANANA REVOLUTION
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

No arguments from me.
Bill Baka

  #3  
Old February 1st 07, 08:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
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"Bill Baka" wrote in message
. net...
donquijote1954 wrote:
Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.


Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no good

Now that we have defined 2% of the total CO2 emission as a lot .....
What are we going to call the other 98%

And how about those
who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.

You know that bike will have you puffing more CO2 out on the hills don't
you.

It really is a case of blame the humans, mostly for over populating and
causing the congestion in the first place.

And not paying socialist the kind of tax revenues they think they are due...
In Iraq OIL for Food fashion.....
How much of that much of that money was used for the purpose given to the
general public.


But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
Napoleon himself...

And the lions are the dictators and socialist that need to shame you into
obeyence
to their plans. Without question on motive,etc.
Who will, like Hillary, change 16 times in 8years or less to maintain the
control
And wonder why you would question or remember anything she didn't give you
promission to look at.
Hell,make any statement or stand and in all likelihood she was on your side
for at least a day in the past two decades.
While it was to her benefit at least.......

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...h_napoleon.jpg

(Bush and Napoleon... http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04102003.html)


HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
words...


OK, that covers both Bushes.

Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
the quick way out of poverty..."

And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
to the effect of exploring life in other planets...

***

PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
approved, is to be released Friday.

Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.


DUH!

The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
means a 99 percent chance.


Nobody wants to mention that humans are causing the greatest mass
extinction of species that has ever happened in the world, except for the
meteor that took out the dinosaurs.

The report is considered an authoritative document that could
influence government and industrial policy worldwide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/...climate_change

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

THE BANANA REVOLUTION
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40

No arguments from me.
Bill Baka




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Old February 1st 07, 08:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
donquijote1954
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On Feb 1, 2:54 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote:
Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.


Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no goods.


You are telling me that someone commuting by bike pollutes nearly as
much as someone riding an SUV just to please his ego? Then the SUVs
are not a problem and nothing is a problem and nothing gets done.

If you drive an SUV you are the symbol of pollution, though we may all
pollute to different degrees. It's the ones that don't care and don't
want to change, the ones guilty for pollution. And they go to Hell, I
hope. Unless, of course, they write the story. They should buy one of
these bumper stickers...

Yep, that's a miracle indeed. I guess Jesus would have driven a
Hummer. "By their deeds you shall know them."

http://www.zazzle.com/product/128126522821097506



  #5  
Old February 1st 07, 09:02 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
Bill Baka
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Arnold Walker wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
. net...
donquijote1954 wrote:
Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.

Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no good

Now that we have defined 2% of the total CO2 emission as a lot .....
What are we going to call the other 98%


You missed the point I was trying to make, albeit my argument was a bit
flawed. 6 billion people not only breathing but trying to get to a
higher standard of living which means they will be using fossil fuel or
burning whatever to power their newly acquired toys. Only about a
billion, maybe more, maybe less, have cars but as that changes upward we
will have that much more. And don't forget that all these people will
want electricity to power their newly acquired cars, televisions, etc.
snip
That's all from me.
Too many threads and groups on this subject.
Bill Baka
  #6  
Old February 1st 07, 09:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
Bill Baka
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Feb 1, 2:54 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
donquijote1954 wrote:
Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles.

Now you sucked me in. ALL humans pollute just by breathing and exhaling
CO2, and 6 billion plus pollute a lot.
If they would stop destroying the rain forest there would be trees and
vegetation to recycle the CO2. Add to that that burning the rain forest
makes CO2 and you have 2 bads and no goods.


You are telling me that someone commuting by bike pollutes nearly as
much as someone riding an SUV just to please his ego? Then the SUVs
are not a problem and nothing is a problem and nothing gets done.


No! It's just the fact that there are way too many people already.
Do you think the traffic would be so bad if we hadn't gone from 200
million to 300 million in the states in just about 30 years? Now think
globally and how the multitudes of humans are 'taming the wilderness' to
make housing and farm fields and think of all the O2 recycling plants
being shut down (cutting down the rain forest, which may not grow back).
I think the effect of killing the the rain forests and everything else
on other continents will catch up to us sooner than the effect of SUVs.

If you drive an SUV you are the symbol of pollution, though we may all
pollute to different degrees. It's the ones that don't care and don't
want to change, the ones guilty for pollution.


That is generally the over paid and snobbish non-cyclists, and I have
plenty of run ins with them on bike or in car. I got turned into a super
cautious type about a month ago when I got hit by an old man of about 70
driving a needlessly large quad cab pickup truck. We made eye contact, I
thought, and he pulled out from a stop sign just as I was crossing in
front of him. The truck was so big that my head was barely at hood
height and he could almost say that he thought I was clear when he
pulled out. The truck bed was hospital clean so I knew he didn't use it
for work, just driving. If he hadn't heard the bam/crunch I may have
been road kill. At that point pollution takes a back seat. Of course
maybe he didn't care about the results of pollution because he wouldn't
be here. This guy should have been driving a little 2 door hatchback but
the male macho attitudes around here dictate that he should drive a
man's truck.
It's a "Go figure" situation. I see plenty of 4 wheel drives around here
that have never seen mud and may not for their entire life. Again, male
one upmanship. Add the soccer moms and you have a mess.

And they go to Hell, I
hope. Unless, of course, they write the story. They should buy one of
these bumper stickers...

Yep, that's a miracle indeed. I guess Jesus would have driven a
Hummer. "By their deeds you shall know them."

http://www.zazzle.com/product/128126522821097506



Maybe we should have a contest for the best thing to put on a bumper
sticker, like "I'm so lazy I drive to the mail box", corner store for
smokes, etc. I would be more than willing to carry some of these and
slap them on oversized and super shiny land yachts.
Start a new movement anyone?
Bill Baka
P.S.
Anybody can nit pick since I am not looking to win a writing contest.
  #7  
Old February 1st 07, 09:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
Lee K
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
oups.com...

there is a
90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.



" While humanity's three billion
tonnes (gigatonnes, or GT) per year net contribution to the
atmosphere's CO2 load appears large on a human scale, it is actually
less than half of 1% of the atmosphere's total CO2 content (750-830
GT). The CO2 emissions of our civilization are also dwarfed by the
210 GT/year emissions of the gas from Earth's oceans and land.
Perhaps even more significant is the fact that the uncertainty in the
measurement of atmospheric CO2 content is 80 GT -- making three GT
seem hardly worth mentioning."

A lucid and thorough analysis of Gore's global warming film is
reported he
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/f...ef&rfp=dta&p=4



  #8  
Old February 1st 07, 10:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
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In article , Lee K wrote:

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
roups.com...

there is a
90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.



" While humanity's three billion
tonnes (gigatonnes, or GT) per year net contribution to the
atmosphere's CO2 load appears large on a human scale, it is actually
less than half of 1% of the atmosphere's total CO2 content (750-830
GT). The CO2 emissions of our civilization are also dwarfed by the
210 GT/year emissions of the gas from Earth's oceans and land.
Perhaps even more significant is the fact that the uncertainty in the
measurement of atmospheric CO2 content is 80 GT -- making three GT
seem hardly worth mentioning."


Human activity is adding more like 25 gigatons of CO2 to the
atmosphere annually, just from burning of fossil fuels. The latest
figures are about 7 PgC, which is 7 petagrams of carbon annually, and
multiply that by 44/12 to get petagrams (gigatons) of CO2.

All the other carbon is just circulating around the biosphere,
hydrosphere and atmosphere. Burning of fossil fuels is adding carbon to
these at a rate of 7 gigatons of carbon, or 25 gigatons of CO2, per year.

- Don Klipstein )
  #9  
Old February 1st 07, 11:53 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
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donquijote1954 wrote:
Hey, that I knew. What is missing in this report though is who among
humans are to blame. See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: some drive Stupid
Unnecessary Vehicles while others ride bicycles. And how about those
who --like me-- want to ride a bike, but find there's no safe place
for it. It's a frightful jungle out there, you know. So we must sit
back and swallow in disgust reports like this that blame all humans.
But I say to these so called experts: Hey guys, it's not "humans,"
it's the lions of the jungle that ride SUVs to satisfy their
Napoleonic complex, and it's those who can change things, but rather
decide to spend a fortune in extravagant projects. Well, this is
Napoleon himself...

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...h_napoleon.jpg

(Bush and Napoleon... http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04102003.html)


HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
words...

Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
the quick way out of poverty..."

And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
to the effect of exploring life in other planets...

***

PARIS - Officials from 113 countries agreed Thursday that a much-
awaited international report will say that global warming was "very
likely" caused by human activity, delegates to a climate change
conference said. Dozens of scientists and bureaucrats are editing the
new report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in closed-
door meetings in Paris. Their report, which must be unanimously
approved, is to be released Friday.

Two participants, speaking on condition of anonymity because the
meetings are confidential, said the group approved the term "very
likely" in Thursday's sessions. That means they agree that there is a
90 percent chance that global warming is human-caused.

The last report, in 2001, said global warming was "likely" caused by
human activity. There had been speculation that the participants might
try to change the wording this time to "virtually certain," which
means a 99 percent chance.

The report is considered an authoritative document that could
influence government and industrial policy worldwide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070201/...climate_change

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote

THE BANANA REVOLUTION
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote40



And how much pollution does the manufacture, shipping and retailing
of a bycicle cause. Since you are using the internet, you are also to
blame for the pollution that computer manufacture etc. and power
production emitt.

In short, we are all in this TOGETHER.
  #10  
Old February 2nd 07, 01:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.autos.driving,misc.consumers.frugal-living,alt.energy.renewable
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"donquijote1954" wrote: (CLIP) See, NOT ALL HUMANS POLLUTE: (CLIP)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Answer a few questions:
1.) How does the LBS get its merchandise? Is there any fuel consumed in
the delivery?
2.) How does mail get to your house?
3.) Do you use electricity? How is it generated?
4.) How do the groceries get from the producer to the store?
....Need I go on?


 




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