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Old August 9th 07, 05:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.tech
Edward Dolan
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On Aug 5, 11:18 am, donquijote1954
wrote:
On Aug 5, 7:12 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:



"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
However, I stand by my statement that the free-market has
failed,
since there is no real free-market health care system in the US.


"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" wrote
Seeing as it's never really been tried, except perhaps many moons
ago
when health care was nowhere near as complex and expensive as it
is
now,


Joe the Aroma WHO? wrote:
I think it's hasty to make that conclusion.


"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote
My point exactly. The FREE MARKET is failing to provide free
market
health care in the U.S.


Edward Dolan wrote:
Mr. Sherman is quite corred on this matter of health care in the
US. The
present system is broken and cannot be fixed except by a single
payer
system (the government). Such a health care system will be like the
public school system. It is not socialism, but simply good common
sense.
It ought to be financed via higher progressive income taxes on the
rich
and/or a value added tax on those who like to spend money on
luxuries. A
total no-brainer!


You have obviously not thought that through to its logical
conclusion


My logical conclusion was that I could not afford to get treatment
for a
chronic health problem, since my portion of the expenses was more
than my
discretionary income - and yes, I am "covered" under a[n] employer
provided "health plan". I really need to start trying to get a job in
Canada.


More than 50% of recent personal bankruptcies in the US are from
people
who got sick, lost their jobs and/or health coverage or exceeded the
coverage limits, and exhausted their financial assets on medical
bills.
Great system, eh?


Mr. Sherman is a professional civil engineer with a very good job and
yet he
finds himself in trouble. That says it all.


No nation that has gone to government paid health care has ever voted
to
give it up. Most of us do not want transplants or other heroic medical
procedures, but we do want garden variety health care. Heath care needs
to
be made a right and not something you can only get if you can afford to
pay
for it. Where the Hell did such a crazy idea ever come from in the
first
place?


The sooner the present system goes kaput, the better. If I did not have
the
VA, I would have to think about emigrating to Canada myself.


I suggested this to you elsewhe Relocate the capital to Ottawa. How
would we go about it? (Within the Constitution, that is?)



Hey, that's where I live! We've got some very nice bike paths (sorry,
"multi-user recreational pathwways" that started out as just bike
paths) , about 180 kilometres worth. I use them on occasion, but
there is enough of a cycling presence here that most motorists are
pretty considerate. There are of course a few suburban arterial roads
that I'd rather not be on if I can help it, but then again I try to
avoid the suburbs in general.

That said, we have a severe shortage of family doctors here. In Ottawa
I think the number without a family physician is 40%. Of course there
are lots of walk-in clinics, but a regular family doctor is much
preferred as one gets old and starts needing those regular tests...


"No nation that has gone to government paid health care has ever voted to
give it up." - Ed Dolan

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota



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Old August 9th 07, 08:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.tech
Dana Myers
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Edward Dolan wrote:

I most emphatically agree with Mr. Sherman's point of view on population.
Unfortunately, the human species is programmed to reproduce like crazy
lemmings.


Evolution has a way of doing that - programming surviving species to
"reproduce".

Dana
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Old August 11th 07, 02:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.tech
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"Dana Myers" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:

I most emphatically agree with Mr. Sherman's point of view on population.
Unfortunately, the human species is programmed to reproduce like crazy
lemmings.


Evolution has a way of doing that - programming surviving species to
"reproduce".


Yes, but unfortunately the human species is no longer bound by natural
checks and balances. We shall end up on a planet populated only by ourselves
and various pests, like rats and cockroaches.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


 




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