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Old February 21st 08, 12:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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Martin Edwards wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists,
pedestrians and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped
with transponders?

Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most
people carry a cell phone with them these day with location
electronics, maybe the law requires a transponder capability like the
law now require location to be determined by each cell phone for 911
responses.

If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that
will make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
anything with a transponder, including people and pets. The car
will automatically brake for example to keep from hitting a child
that runs out into the road. That should not be hard once
transponders become common.

Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the
road that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections.
Zero death is probably impossible even though we are getting near
that for large passenger jets.

All that is needed is adding microphones and cameras to the
transponders - then the government can achieve the long awaited goal
of regulating behavior of people in their homes behind closed doors.

Scheiss, imagine Jack's tv shouting out, "Mr May, stop that or you will
go blind!"


That would only happen during a GM commercial. WTF is this thread doing
in a transit group anyway? Jack's a troll.
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Old February 21st 08, 02:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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On Feb 21, 4:35 am, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article ,
donquijote1954 writes:

I've vowed to fight terrorism... ROAD TERRORISM.


That's a laudable quest, but how exactly
are you going to go about it? What means
and methods have you toward that end?
What is your strategy?

It has to be more effective than just
playing Usenet prophet.

You'd have to be something like RoboCop,
going around & fscking up road terrorists
("Freeze, scum.")

If you could make spike belts shoot out
of your wrists like Spiderman, than would
be something.

Watch out for The Green Hornet (& Kato.)
He /is/ a road terrorist. And I have my
suspicions about The Punisher and
Fat Freddie's cat.

Thank goodness we have anti-road-terrorist
guys like you to defend us good people.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca


Short of calling Superman or Batman, we can catch the bad guys in SUVs
by sticking together. Same strategy developed by the sardines 300
million years ago. Bicycles can get together and ride the lane, just
like any other vehicle. Similar to Critical Mass but without
antagonizing the motorists who in the end are also trapped in the
cages. And also, unlike Critical Mass, we would ride the road every
day for real transportation.

This T-shirt can fit the bill (I've renounced to any profit on it)...

http://www.cafepress.com/burncalories

Then if everything fails, we call on Clark Kent.

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Old February 21st 08, 02:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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On Feb 20, 11:37*pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
...


Exactly right. The statistics won't lie: 3,000 at the Towers (a one
time event) vs. 40,000 on the road every year, of which 25,000 could
be saved if we were to have the safety rates of Sweden.


Yet people are told that the issue is terrorism and not road
terrorism. They take the picture of your *** going through the
airport, but fail to put a speed camera at troublesome spots. It's
like they don't care...


You are assuming that speed is the main cause of road deaths which is
extremely unlikely. *So you don't have any approach to reduce road deaths.


What is being developed and will be on the market in five or so years is car
to car digital communications. * The communications between cars will be
used to prevent accidents and deaths.


Like commercial aircraft, the drivers will be warned to take evasive action
an what action should be taken. * In extreme cases the electronics in the
cars will automatically take actions to control the cars to prevent the
accidents.[...]


How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?

If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.

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The new technology the stupid and careless to drive. Well, they
already do, but they won't have accidents.

But unless the new techonologies allow them to fly high above, I don't
see them bringing any relief.
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Old February 21st 08, 02:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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On Feb 21, 12:57*am, Miles Bader wrote:
Tom Sherman writes:
How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with
transponders?


I think in Jack's ideal world, everybody's body is grafted onto an
automobile from birth...

-Miles

--
Virtues, n. pl. Certain abstentions.


In Jack's Utopia new tecknologies won't pollute and big SUVs won't
kill people. Always up in the future. Just like communism. Big dreams
and dreary reality.
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Old February 21st 08, 02:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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On Feb 21, 4:18 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
...
How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians and
animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?


Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most people
carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe the
law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.


In my 'umble station in life I carry a phone which is only a phone.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From "Rollerball"


Well, you ain't seen nothing yet. In the future people will travel
through the telephone lines!!! Imagine all the space left open on our
congested roads. And, of course, then bicycles and scooters will not
only be safe, they'll also be redundant.

Did you see "The Matrix," how the lady disappears right on time to
escape the bad guys through the telephone lines? And all that
technology is being developed at this very minute by a Republican
Administration that knows the future is up in the air.
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Old February 21st 08, 03:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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On Feb 21, 7:37*am, Bolwerk wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
.. .
Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
...


How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists,
pedestrians and animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped
with transponders?


Probably. *I think we are talking about a single chip. *Since most
people carry a cell phone with them these day with location
electronics, maybe the law requires a transponder capability like the
law now require location to be determined by each cell phone for 911
responses.


If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that
will make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.


We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
anything with a transponder, including people and pets. * The car
will automatically brake for example to keep from hitting a child
that runs out into the road. That should not be hard once
transponders become common.


Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the
road that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections. *
Zero death is probably impossible even though we are getting near
that for large passenger jets.


All that is needed is adding microphones and cameras to the
transponders - then the government can achieve the long awaited goal
of regulating behavior of people in their homes behind closed doors.


Scheiss, imagine Jack's tv shouting out, "Mr May, stop that or you will
go blind!"


That would only happen during a GM commercial. *WTF is this thread doing
in a transit group anyway? *Jack's a troll.- Hide quoted text -

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Sorry, but we are trying to develop alternatives (bikes, public
transportation) for the moment when 70% of drivers are banned from the
road...

Driving tests and real-life driving

(...)

Politically, it is unpopular to suggest somebody who is physically
impaired, who is emotionally unbalanced, or who is just plain stupid
should not drive. But the fact is; bad driving causes lethal accidents
and huge traffic jams every day, all across America. Bad driving
wastes millions of gallons of fuel and adds tons of pollutants to our
air.

America's urban freeways are no place for the incompetent, and it is
thousands of times less expensive and more effective to get lousy
drivers off the road than it is to build ever-wider freeways and more
elaborate junctions. A more difficult driving test will accomplish
this. Driving tests can also reinforce common sense, patience, and
respect for others... things which are increasingly rare on American
roads.

Current driving tests measure rudimentary knowledge of the rules of
the road. At some point in a driver's life-usually very early- you
must prove your ability to operate a vehicle under minimally difficult
circumstances. Once licensed, many Americans are not road tested again
for dozens of years. Adding cellular phones, babies, fast food,
gigantic Sport Utility Vehicles, and other distractions on top of a
general increase in traffic and average speeds-only brews more
gridlock and carnage.

(...)

America must not shrink from hard decisions about where, when and who
is fit to drive. We must get the incompetent, the angry, the
thoughtless and the decrepit off the road. At the same time, we must
provide the opportunity to learn driving skills for people who need to
drive and are able to do it well, regardless of income level.

Giving people options
Increased transportation options for people who cannot drive must
coincide with efforts to weed out lousy drivers. Forcing people out of
their cars, with no way to get to work, breeds outlaws and
joblessness. Some ways include:

electric scooter and bicycle programs
bike-trains
high-speed rail

By eliminating the small percentage of drivers who, for whatever
reason, simply cannot cope with modern driving, we can reduce the
estimated 6.6 billion gallons of gasoline wasted by Americans who were
waiting in traffic in 1997, reduce the air pollution associated with
that colossal waste, and reduce the amount of frustration on our roads
in general.

more...
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote44
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Old February 21st 08, 03:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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On Feb 21, 12:03*am, "Jack May" wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message

...

Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
....

How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians and
animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?


Probably. *I think we are talking about a single chip. *Since most people
carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe the
law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.

If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.


We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit anything
with a transponder, including people and pets. * The car will automatically
brake for example to keep from hitting a child that runs out into the road..
That should not be hard once transponders become common.


Oh give me a break. If transponders work as you want, transportation
as we know it will come to a grinding halt with about 15 minutes.

Scenario 1: You're cruising down the highway at 70 and your cell
phone rings. You pull over and answer it (as is the law in the land
of the way-to-safe). The next car down the road approaches you from
the rear, gets within the whatever distance it is set to, and slams on
the breaks and panic-breaks so that you don't hit the stopped car.
Without a very complex set of visual cues, there's no real way to tell
if that car is in your lane or not. It could be dead-ahead but not in
your lane if there's a bend in the road. You car on the side of the
road just induced a huge traffic jam and probably a series of back-end
crashes. Oh yeah, the safety there !!!

Scenario 2: You're driving down the road and your car suddenly panic
stops for no reason. Everyone on the road does the same thing but
nothing's going on. Meanwhile, the kids hiding in the bushes who keep
turning a transponder (which they hid on the overpass right above your
lane) think it's a hoot to bring traffic to a stop whenever they want.

Scenario 3: You get used to the technology and start pushing the
limits of it. Your malfunctions some day. It doesn't stop you. You
kill the family of 4 in the Pinto ahead of you.

Scenario 4: The government decides they are really safe and put
direction transponders in traffic lights to stop all cars at a red-
light so it cannot be ran. On a snowy day you look in your mirror and
realize the tractor trailor is skidding and can't stop. No one is
coming on the cross street in either direction. You try to run the
red light to get out of the way (which is, by the way, legal) but you
can't. Your only consolation is that you are crushed so bad that you
get on to the nightly news.

Transponders. Yeah, great idea.



Congress people really want the capability for "zero deaths" on the road
that they can brag about pushing when running for reelections. *Zero death
is probably impossible even though we are getting near that for large
passenger jets.


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Old February 21st 08, 03:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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"Pat" wrote in message
...
On Feb 21, 12:03 am, "Jack May" wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message

...

Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
...

How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
and
animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?


Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most people
carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe
the
law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.

If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.


We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
anything
with a transponder, including people and pets. The car will automatically
brake for example to keep from hitting a child that runs out into the
road.
That should not be hard once transponders become common.


Oh give me a break. If transponders work as you want, transportation
as we know it will come to a grinding halt with about 15 minutes.

Scenario 1: You're cruising down the highway at 70 and your cell
phone rings. You pull over and answer it (as is the law in the land
of the way-to-safe). The next car down the road approaches you from
the rear, gets within the whatever distance it is set to, and slams on
the breaks and panic-breaks so that you don't hit the stopped car.
Without a very complex set of visual cues, there's no real way to tell
if that car is in your lane or not. It could be dead-ahead but not in
your lane if there's a bend in the road. You car on the side of the
road just induced a huge traffic jam and probably a series of back-end
crashes. Oh yeah, the safety there !!!

Scenario 2: You're driving down the road and your car suddenly panic
stops for no reason. Everyone on the road does the same thing but
nothing's going on. Meanwhile, the kids hiding in the bushes who keep
turning a transponder (which they hid on the overpass right above your
lane) think it's a hoot to bring traffic to a stop whenever they want.

Scenario 3: You get used to the technology and start pushing the
limits of it. Your malfunctions some day. It doesn't stop you. You
kill the family of 4 in the Pinto ahead of you.

Scenario 4: The government decides they are really safe and put
direction transponders in traffic lights to stop all cars at a red-
light so it cannot be ran. On a snowy day you look in your mirror and
realize the tractor trailor is skidding and can't stop. No one is
coming on the cross street in either direction. You try to run the
red light to get out of the way (which is, by the way, legal) but you
can't. Your only consolation is that you are crushed so bad that you
get on to the nightly news.

Transponders. Yeah, great idea.


----------------------------------------
Scenario 6: You're cruising along at 90 and hit a deer that didn't get the
memo about needing a transponder.

Scenario 7: The government has some illicit activity going on somewhere
(who knows what _already_ get up to, much less what they _would_ get up to
if no one could get there) and they set up a set of transponders preventing
anyone who might call it to the public's awareness from getting there.


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Old February 21st 08, 04:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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OK, as part of our presidential campaign (it's not for me:
htttp://webspawner.com/users/elections2008) we are launching a
campaign to get unncessary drivers (particularly the bad ones) off the
road, not by 6% in 15 years, but by 60%...

Oh yes, perfectly doable if there's the political will... and
transportation OPTIONS. We are waiting for Ralph Nader for our
challenge to take up the issue, but if not you know the party...
Banana Revolution.

Funny, Nader made cars so much safer, but never worked on preventing
accidents. I hope he's reading...

A drive toward fewer cars
There are other ways to get from A to B

By JANE HADLEY
P-I REPORTER

Steep gas prices.

Flabby bodies cruising for diabetes and heart trouble.

Global warming.

Air pollution.


If the pitfalls of automobiles aren't already enough to make you think
about chucking your car for other ways of getting around, consider the
growth that is in store for Seattle.

In the next 19 years, the city expects 22,000 new housing units and
50,000 new jobs.

Assuming the same percentage of people continued driving alone to
work, the city estimates it would have to build 20 city blocks of 10-
story parking garages downtown.

"Nobody wants to do that," says Patrice Gillespie-Smith, chief of
staff of the city's Department of Transportation. "We are very
motivated to offer incentives to get people out of their cars."

In 2000, 61 percent of all Seattle work trips were by someone driving
alone. By 2020, the city's transportation strategic plan wants to
knock that down to 55 percent. People tend to become more interested
in shifting out of their cars if gas or parking prices escalate, and
if alternatives to the car are reliable, affordable and convenient,
experts say.

But it often takes something unusual to inspire or shake people into
the awareness of those alternatives, said David Allen, senior
transportation planner for the city.

A city program called "One Less Car Challenge" aims to do just that,
Allen said. The program encourages people to give up use of one car
for one month, offering commuters tips on getting around by bus, bike
or foot and also providing the free use of a Flexcar when needed.

Of the 86 people who signed up initially in the fall of 2003, 20
percent decided to give up a car and the rest have vowed to drive
less, Allen said. "It proved people could do it," he said.

And the city is hoping to encourage people to use cars less by making
it more difficult to find places to park.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transp...7_nocar08.html

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Old February 21st 08, 09:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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On Feb 21, 1:16 pm, "Christopher von Volborth"
wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

...

By eliminating the small percentage of drivers who, for whatever
reason, simply cannot cope with modern driving, we can reduce the
estimated 6.6 billion gallons of gasoline wasted by Americans who were
waiting in traffic in 1997, reduce the air pollution associated with
that colossal waste, and reduce the amount of frustration on our roads
in general.


more...
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So who is the ultimate judge of who is and who isn't capable of dealing with
the challenge of American motorized traffic?


The jugde is common sense. Just get in line with what's being done in
Western European countries.

The Germans had a great idea
for dispensing with analogous social issues...they were called
concentration camps.


So you think the SUV drivers are the poor victims of discrimination?
The Germans also felt they were a superior race that was entitled to
special rights --just like American consumers do.

The soviets under Stalin were no less ambitious in
formulating the perfect society.


You don't have to be ambitious, just practice the democratic principle
that everyone is entitled to reasonable safety when doing the right
thing. Not only they stay away from moral judgement, they make it
impossible for those who want to do something (eg. ride a bike) for
the environment.

They Soviets are also spoke about a future that never came, just like
Bush and his future "development of alternative energies," whatever
that means. If he were a real leader he would encourage the people to
SAVE and GET IN SHAPE. Why not? It's simply better to invade Iraq.

No, the answer must be that everyone gets
the same opportunity to benefit from all that our culture has to offer. For
that reason we live in a society ruled by laws to ensure that we don't
descend into anarchy.


The laws in my state says that bicycles are vehicles, which conflicts
with the reality of unreasonable fear imposed on those who dare
challenge our lawless roads.

Those who break the law risk getting caught and
paying the consequences.


When the possibilities are only 1 in 1000, people take chances.
However if you were to put speed cameras, then would see real change.

Some may not get caught, causing damage to others;
that is the inherent risk in humans being social animals.


Some animals have much greater armor (SUVs) than others. Then you have
to protect the little animals with special laws, not the big ones.
They do it in Holland, for example.

Therefore
intellectually motivated social engineering has, as far as I can glean from
my reading of human history, been a major repeated disaster.


Are you talking about nation building in Iraq?

By contrast,
Homo sapiens, like any other species, evolves by natural selection as it
strives to meet the challenges of environmental pressure, and that includes
the pressures of motorized traffic.


Evolution is denied. New challenges have risen... only to be ignored
by the powers that be. Case in point, CLIMATE CHANGE. The dinosaurs
are ignoring this important law proposed by Darwin himself...

"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most
intelligent, but the one most responsive to change."

The call for "...eliminating the small
percentage of drivers...who cannot cope with driving," must also be mindful
of potential broader consequences that are as yet unforseeable.


Sure, a total catastrophe where the whole country could look like Key
West at worst and Holland at best.

For the
present, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen...if you're
afraid of traffic stay off the road.


Me? I've got my stationary bike. The bikes are gathering rust. But
still ride my scooter. Too much fun.



 




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