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Old February 21st 08, 11:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
donquijote1954
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Have you noticed how the lion has a set of priorities different from
the little animals --even when it means life or death to them?

"United States - The death toll on our highways makes driving the
number one cause of death and injury for young people ages 5 to 27.
Highway crashes cause 94 percent of all transportation fatalities and
99 percent of all transportation injuries, yet *traffic safety
programs receive only one percent of the funding of the U.S. DOT
budget*. The staggering loss of life and the incidence of life-
threatening injuries occurring each year is best described as a public
health crisis."

http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/stat...statistics.htm

Here's the story of the lion...

HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY

One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances
to drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack
of resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that
it was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite
words...

Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life
in the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season
the little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the
Lion waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would
have had to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more
importantly, the little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as
the quick way out of poverty..."

And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle --
to the effect of exploring life in other planets...


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Old February 22nd 08, 01:04 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
Jack May
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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Jack May wrote:
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All that is needed is adding microphones and cameras to the transponders -
then the government can achieve the long awaited goal of regulating
behavior of people in their homes behind closed doors.


You mean like with present cell phones and WiFi which is much more powerful
than is being planned for car to car communication over a short range of
hundreds of feet.

You have to come to grips with the fact that you are probably far too
ordinary for the Government to care about anything you do.


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Old February 22nd 08, 01:07 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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Martin Edwards wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Jack May wrote:
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That would only happen during a GM commercial. WTF is this thread doing
in a transit group anyway? Jack's a troll.


Because "donquijote1954" likes to link to a large number of newsgroups.


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Old February 22nd 08, 01:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 4:18 am, Martin Edwards wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Jack May wrote:
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Well, you ain't seen nothing yet. In the future people will travel
through the telephone lines!!! Imagine all the space left open on our
congested roads. And, of course, then bicycles and scooters will not
only be safe, they'll also be redundant.


Transporters have been built and are working. They work through tens of
miles of fiber optics, not wires. Of course they only transport the states
of atoms now using particle entanglement. Transporting people is way beyond
what can be done now.


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Old February 22nd 08, 01:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 7:37 am, Bolwerk wrote:
Martin Edwards wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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Sorry, but we are trying to develop alternatives (bikes, public

transportation) for the moment when 70% of drivers are banned from the
road...


Wow what are really stupid goal. The public wants nothing to do with using
bikes, public transportation, or any other alternative. All of those
alternative are total failures with zero chance of replacing cars. Cars
will be here long after you are dead. They will just being using
alternative fuels instead of oil.

The sophomoric crap at the end has been deleted...


  #26  
Old February 22nd 08, 01:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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"Pat" wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 12:03 am, "Jack May" wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message

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Jack May wrote:
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How will this prevent the cagers from squishing cyclists, pedestrians
and
animals? Will all of the latter have to be equipped with transponders?


Probably. I think we are talking about a single chip. Since most people
carry a cell phone with them these day with location electronics, maybe
the
law requires a transponder capability like the law now require location to
be determined by each cell phone for 911 responses.

If motor vehicles are developed that will not hit each others, that will
make the cagers even more careless about cyclists and pedestrians.


We are heading to the where the car will not be able to easily hit
anything
with a transponder, including people and pets. The car will automatically
brake for example to keep from hitting a child that runs out into the
road.
That should not be hard once transponders become common.


Oh give me a break. If transponders work as you want, transportation

as we know it will come to a grinding halt with about 15 minutes.

Scenario 1: You're cruising down the highway at 70 and your cell

phone rings. You pull over and answer it (as is the law in the land
of the way-to-safe). The next car down the road approaches you from
the rear, gets within the whatever distance it is set to, and slams on
the breaks and panic-breaks so that you don't hit the stopped car.
Without a very complex set of visual cues, there's no real way to tell
if that car is in your lane or not. It could be dead-ahead but not in
your lane if there's a bend in the road. You car on the side of the
road just induced a huge traffic jam and probably a series of back-end
crashes. Oh yeah, the safety there !!!

The standard use very short pulses which can measure position to inches or
less. Your strawman is false.

Scenario 2: You're driving down the road and your car suddenly panic

stops for no reason. Everyone on the road does the same thing but
nothing's going on. Meanwhile, the kids hiding in the bushes who keep
turning a transponder (which they hid on the overpass right above your
lane) think it's a hoot to bring traffic to a stop whenever they want.

That transponder will identify its owner which will be recorded the blackbox
of many cars. The police will show up at the kid's house and arrest the
kid. Kids will quickly learn not to play with transponders,.

Scenario 3: You get used to the technology and start pushing the

limits of it. Your malfunctions some day. It doesn't stop you. You
kill the family of 4 in the Pinto ahead of you.

What do you not understand about increasing safety. We don't have to make
it perfect, just much better than the present system

Scenario 4: The government decides they are really safe and put

direction transponders in traffic lights to stop all cars at a red-
light so it cannot be ran. On a snowy day you look in your mirror and
realize the tractor trailor is skidding and can't stop. No one is
coming on the cross street in either direction. You try to run the
red light to get out of the way (which is, by the way, legal) but you
can't. Your only consolation is that you are crushed so bad that you
get on to the nightly news.

Another foolish strawman


Transponders. Yeah, great idea.


Yes they are, too bad you can't understand even their basics



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Old February 22nd 08, 02:42 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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On Feb 21, 8:16*pm, "Jack May" wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

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On Feb 21, 7:37 am, Bolwerk wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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Sorry, but we are trying to develop alternatives (bikes, public


transportation) for the moment when 70% of drivers are banned from the

road...


Wow what are really stupid goal. * The public wants nothing to do with using
bikes, public transportation, or any other alternative. *All of those
alternative are total failures with zero chance of replacing cars. * Cars
will be here long after you are dead. *They will just being using
alternative fuels instead of oil.

The sophomoric crap at the end has been deleted...


Yeah sure, just because fat lazy drivers are too stupid to consider
other options, it doesn't mean they wouldn't change if traffic safety
were to become a presidential issue or revolution whatever.

"You can't fool all the people all the time"
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Old February 22nd 08, 02:56 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
Jack May
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 8:16 pm, "Jack May" wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

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On Feb 21, 7:37 am, Bolwerk wrote:

Martin Edwards wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote:
Jack May wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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Jack May wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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Yeah sure, just because fat lazy drivers are too stupid to consider
other options, it doesn't mean they wouldn't change if traffic safety
were to become a presidential issue or revolution whatever.


Sorry you have to meet needs of users to get them to use something, not just
call them names. That is why people like you never accomplish anything of
significance in life .

As I said to you previously there is a lot of money and work going into
developing cars that radically drop the death and accident rates. You have
presented nothing that will be anywhere near as effective as what is now
being developed.



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Old February 22nd 08, 02:59 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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"Amy Blankenship" wrote in message
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"Pat" wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 12:03 am, "Jack May" wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message

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Jack May wrote:
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Scenario 6: You're cruising along at 90 and hit a deer that didn't get
the memo about needing a transponder.


Again, the goal is not perfection, but a large improvement over the present
system.


Scenario 7: The government has some illicit activity going on somewhere
(who knows what _already_ get up to, much less what they _would_ get up to
if no one could get there) and they set up a set of transponders
preventing anyone who might call it to the public's awareness from getting
there.


Well that would be a big indicator to a lot of people, including the bad
guys, that an undercover operation is happening.


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Old February 22nd 08, 03:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,alt.planning.urban,alt.autos,misc.transport.urban-transit
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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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OK, as part of our presidential campaign (it's not for me:
htttp://webspawner.com/users/elections2008) we are launching a
campaign to get unncessary drivers (particularly the bad ones) off the
road, not by 6% in 15 years, but by 60%...

Oh yes, perfectly doable if there's the political will... and
transportation OPTIONS. We are waiting for Ralph Nader for our
challenge to take up the issue, but if not you know the party...
Banana Revolution.

Funny, Nader made cars so much safer, but never worked on preventing
accidents. I hope he's reading...

A drive toward fewer cars
There are other ways to get from A to B


Wow you really insist on showing the world how you are unable to comprehend
anything about society and the real world.


 




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