THE CASE FOR A MANDATORY CYCLE HELMET LAW 
(IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)

On Nov 4, 4:33 pm, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:23:15 -0600, "Tom $herman (-_-)"



" wrote:
On 10/29/2012 6:20 PM, Curtis wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote

"It is a risible myth that your average American is a tall-walking free
?individual untrammeled by government: he is in fact just as much
?constricted as a European soft-socialist consumerist or Japanese
?collective citizen, though it is true that the American is controlled ?in
different areas of his activity than the European or the Japanese."

Unfortunate truth, control from the nanny state.

"To some the uncontrolled areas of American life, for instance the ability
to own and use firearms, smacks of barbarism rather than liberty. "

And that "smacks" of STUPIDITY from those willing to endure tyranny for a
FALSE sense of security.

Nanny state my arse - the goal of the US government is to destroy the
country and turn it into 3rd world status - has been since 12:30 CST on
November 22, 1963. Get back to me in 10 years if you disagree.

Somehow, there appears to be a lack of logic here. Why in the world
would the government want to turn the U.S. into a desperately poor 3rd
world nation. After all, poor = fewer with the ability to pay taxes;
fewer paying taxes = less money in the G'ment coffers for programs
that will generate kick-backs = lower income for Bureaucrats.

If you think the war for US independence ended with Cornwallis
surrendering, you have been played for a fool.


I think they intend to maintain a cadre of middle management ("The
1%") as buffer and siphon line leveraging productivity via the
aspirations of the masses.

On Nov 4, 5:43 pm, wrote:
On Sunday, November 4, 2012 5:53:17 PM UTC-5, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Nov 4, 11:06 am, wrote:

On Sunday, November 4, 2012 12:13:06 AM UTC-4, Jay Beattie wrote:

Descending sled runs even on studs warrants wearing a helmet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVA-x3SEnU

I've seen those videos before. Seems to me that putting on an 8 ounce bike helmet and riding a bike in those conditions constitutes an excellent example of risk compensation. Or really, risk over-compensation.

- Frank Krygowski

It's not risk compensation . . . it's called riding home from work.

These conditions can develop in a matter of minutes with a freezing

rain shower, and they are very localized and can occur at night when

it is hard to see what's what.

An eight ounce helmet can prevent a curb or bollard or fender or what-

have-you from making meatloaf out of your scalp. If you crash on ice,

you can slide around like a hockey puck -- sometimes harmlessly and

sometimes not.

To explain my point about risk over-compensation: In the conditions shown in those videos, it was apparently impossible to reliably control a four-wheeled vehicle. In those conditions, to put on an 8 ounce helmet and say "Now I'm going to ride my bike" is, by my standards anyway, crazy. Even with studded tires, if you did fall, there's a real chance you'd slide uncontrolled into or under some sliding car.

Yes, the helmet might help if you happened to slide slowly enough, head first into a curb or bollard (and somehow didn't think to use your hands to ward off the head impact); but you have far bigger potential hazards, and a magic hat won't fix them. So trusting the hat to protect you is over compensation.


You *always* have far bigger potential hazards; you obviously don't
know whence you speak re; crashing; and no one said they trust a
helmet to protect them (but it wouldl be stupid to think that it
can't).

But it's your choice. Free country and all that.


Smarm lite.

On 11/4/2012 6:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:23:15 -0600, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
" wrote:

On 10/29/2012 6:20 PM, Curtis wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote

"It is a risible myth that your average American is a tall-walking free
?individual untrammeled by government: he is in fact just as much
?constricted as a European soft-socialist consumerist or Japanese
?collective citizen, though it is true that the American is controlled ?in
different areas of his activity than the European or the Japanese."

Unfortunate truth, control from the nanny state.

"To some the uncontrolled areas of American life, for instance the ability
to own and use firearms, smacks of barbarism rather than liberty. "

And that "smacks" of STUPIDITY from those willing to endure tyranny for a
FALSE sense of security.


Nanny state my arse - the goal of the US government is to destroy the
country and turn it into 3rd world status - has been since 12:30 CST on
November 22, 1963. Get back to me in 10 years if you disagree.

Somehow, there appears to be a lack of logic here. Why in the world
would the government want to turn the U.S. into a desperately poor 3rd
world nation. After all, poor = fewer with the ability to pay taxes;
fewer paying taxes = less money in the G'ment coffers for programs
that will generate kick-backs = lower income for Bureaucrats.

If you think the war for US independence ended with Cornwallis
surrendering, you have been played for a fool.

Henry Kissinger let the cat out of the bag when he referred to the
non-elite as "worthless eaters". If you are not a member of the Eight
Families [1] or their close associates, you are worth nothing more than
cattle. A free, democratic, and prosperous society is everything they hate.

[1] The Goldman Sach's, Rockefeller's, Lehman's and Kuhn Loeb's of New
York; the Rothschild's of Paris and London; the Warburg's of Hamburg;
the Lazard's of Paris; and the Israel Moses Seif's of Rome. Together
they control at least $250 trillion in assets.


--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

On 11/4/2012 6:39 PM, F.K. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 19:23:26 +0100, Sepp Ruf
wrote:

Andre Jute:

a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.

You collectivists really like the concept of compulsion, don't you?
More than the concept of liberty which undoubtedly is totally foreign
to their Constitution.

Which ignores the basic reason - Jute is a writer; writers get paid by
writing articles and books; controversial articles generate more
interest and frequently result in follow-up articles; argument, pro
and con, regarding bicycle helmets generate controversy. Q.E.D., Andre
makes more money.

Vanity publishing?

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Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!

On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 21:54:21 -0600, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
" wrote:

On 11/4/2012 6:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:23:15 -0600, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
" wrote:

On 10/29/2012 6:20 PM, Curtis wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote

"It is a risible myth that your average American is a tall-walking free
?individual untrammeled by government: he is in fact just as much
?constricted as a European soft-socialist consumerist or Japanese
?collective citizen, though it is true that the American is controlled ?in
different areas of his activity than the European or the Japanese."

Unfortunate truth, control from the nanny state.

"To some the uncontrolled areas of American life, for instance the ability
to own and use firearms, smacks of barbarism rather than liberty. "

And that "smacks" of STUPIDITY from those willing to endure tyranny for a
FALSE sense of security.


Nanny state my arse - the goal of the US government is to destroy the
country and turn it into 3rd world status - has been since 12:30 CST on
November 22, 1963. Get back to me in 10 years if you disagree.

Somehow, there appears to be a lack of logic here. Why in the world
would the government want to turn the U.S. into a desperately poor 3rd
world nation. After all, poor = fewer with the ability to pay taxes;
fewer paying taxes = less money in the G'ment coffers for programs
that will generate kick-backs = lower income for Bureaucrats.

If you think the war for US independence ended with Cornwallis
surrendering, you have been played for a fool.

Henry Kissinger let the cat out of the bag when he referred to the
non-elite as "worthless eaters". If you are not a member of the Eight
Families [1] or their close associates, you are worth nothing more than
cattle. A free, democratic, and prosperous society is everything they hate.

[1] The Goldman Sach's, Rockefeller's, Lehman's and Kuhn Loeb's of New
York; the Rothschild's of Paris and London; the Warburg's of Hamburg;
the Lazard's of Paris; and the Israel Moses Seif's of Rome. Together
they control at least $250 trillion in assets.

Do they pay taxes?
--
Cheers,
John B.

Per "Tom $herman (-_-)"
":
In case you have not noticed, most people in the US do not live in the
hell-hole of NYC.

When I was living in "Paradise" (Honolulu, Hawaii) and working in
a Waikiki hotel while going to college I came to look forward to
the tour groups from New York City.

They were outspoken, in-your-face... but they could *talk* and
they understood everything I said, first time around.

When I finally moved back to the East Coast, I had occasion to
visit NYC a few times. Contrary to the apocryphal statement
that "Society has ceased to exist in New York City", if found
people there to be direct, no BS. Frankly, I enjoyed
interacting with them.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:23:28 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Andre Jute:



a compulsory helmet law in the States will save lives.



You collectivists really like the concept of compulsion, don't you?

Collectivist? Nope, sonny, I'm a notorious libertarian. You really should check your facts before you shoot off at the mouth.

More than the concept of liberty which undoubtedly is totally foreign

to their Constitution.

Whose Constitution?

Note that it isn't everybody I want to force to wear helmets, only Americans. And I wouldn't even be interested in those, except that Krygowski is such a huge arsehole.

Andre Jute

On Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:39:38 PM UTC, Tom $herman (-_-) wrote:
On 11/3/2012 6:24 PM, Andre Jute wrote:

[snip for bandwidth, all the stuff that Liddell Tommi lies that he didn't read for fear that a little rationality would fry his brains, such as they are]

Andre Jute



Dude,



In case you have not noticed, most people in the US do not live in the

hell-hole of NYC.



HTHBKIW



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Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W

Post Free or Die!

Hello, Liddell Tommi. How goes RBT's Chief Anti-Semite?

On Monday, November 5, 2012 2:16:15 PM UTC, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per "Tom $herman (-_-)"

":

In case you have not noticed, most people in the US do not live in the

hell-hole of NYC.



When I was living in "Paradise" (Honolulu, Hawaii) and working in

a Waikiki hotel while going to college I came to look forward to

the tour groups from New York City.



They were outspoken, in-your-face... but they could *talk* and

they understood everything I said, first time around.



When I finally moved back to the East Coast, I had occasion to

visit NYC a few times. Contrary to the apocryphal statement

that "Society has ceased to exist in New York City", if found

people there to be direct, no BS. Frankly, I enjoyed

interacting with them.

--

Pete Cresswell

Yeah, New York is a nice place to return to after the irrationalities of the countryside. See http://coolmainpress.com/ajwriting/archives/1942

On 11/05/2012 03:01 PM, Andre Jute wrote:

snip
More than the concept of liberty which undoubtedly is totally foreign

to their Constitution.

Whose Constitution?

Note that it isn't everybody I want to force to wear helmets, only Americans. And I wouldn't even be interested in those, except that Krygowski is such a huge arsehole.

Hey Andre, I'm an American, although an expat one at the moment. I
don't appreciate being put in that same boat. I imagine that out of the
300 odd million or so of us, many would feel the same. I don't have the
data, mind you, it's only an impression...