French teams protest by not starting promptly.

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Montesquiou wrote:

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RonSonic wrote:


Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?

I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
they upset
about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?

Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
the Landis way.

Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?

Protesting rider on a French team.


Are you telling he was an italian protesting in a french team ?
Merci, now I understand better.

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Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?

I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
they upset about and in what way was this action going to affect that
condition?

They were upset about dirty rotten cheats taking drugs. There was nothing
at all hypocritical about Cofidis taking part in this demonstration...

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in message , Montesquiou ('')
wrote:

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" a écrit dans le message
de news: ...
RonSonic wrote:


Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?

I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
they upset
about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?

Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
the Landis way.

Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?

No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French team.

The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
non-French riders.

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Montesquiou wrote:

Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
the Landis way.

Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?

Protesting rider on a French team.


Are you telling he was an italian protesting in a french team ?

In case you haven't noticed, French teams do employ riders of none
French nationality. They've done it for years.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

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...
in message , Montesquiou ('')
wrote:

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" a crit dans le message
de news: ...
RonSonic wrote:


Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?

I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
they upset
about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?

Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
the Landis way.

Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?

No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French team.

The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
non-French riders.


I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German) but
to ban those from a no-clean federation.
This pro-doped federations are some years late,
US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?

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Montesquiou wrote in message
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I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German) but
to ban those from a no-clean federation.
This pro-doped federations are some years late,
US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?

The real question is why the media and ASO of all people, are making a
laughing stock out of cycling. Anyone with the sense to understand basic
finance would know that you don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

As I pointed out yesterday, competitive professional Ballroom Dancing
suspended at least one person for not passing the "performance enhancing
drug tests". So how could you even suggest that drugs aren't something that
is an ongoing problem in the hardest of all sports?

We have to develop means to find and exclude the dopers but not to destroy
the sport because there are cheaters. There will always be cheaters in every
human endevor - noticed politicians?

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:20:21 +0100, Simon Brooke wrote:

in message , RonSonic
') wrote:

Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?

I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
they upset about and in what way was this action going to affect that
condition?

They were upset about dirty rotten cheats taking drugs. There was nothing
at all hypocritical about Cofidis taking part in this demonstration...

Oh, good. I was worried about that.

I'm fairly sure the dopers weren't impressed.

Ron

Montesquiou wrote:

"Simon Brooke" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
in message , Montesquiou ('')
wrote:

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" a crit dans le message
de news: ...
RonSonic wrote:


Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?

I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
they upset
about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?

Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
the Landis way.

Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?

No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French team.

The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
non-French riders.


I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German) but
to ban those from a no-clean federation.
This pro-doped federations are some years late,
US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?

Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
non issue in the spanish press.

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Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" wrote in message
...
Montesquiou wrote:

"Simon Brooke" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
in message , Montesquiou
('')
wrote:

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" a crit dans le message
de news: ...
RonSonic wrote:


Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?

I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
were
they upset
about and in what way was this action going to affect that
condition?

Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
the Landis way.

Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?

No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French
team.

The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
non-French riders.


I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German)
but
to ban those from a no-clean federation.
This pro-doped federations are some years late,
US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?

Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
non issue in the spanish press.


I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have been
big time dopers.

- Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
- Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
- Toasted chicken. We'll hear about his adventures in Italy
now that he is a pariath. Maybe he will
confess himself like Jan or writes a book. If he is proven to
have doped he is going to have a problem to live in Garda anylonger.

So there have been three guys you could root for in the last 20 years and
they all have turned out to be spam... I even used to be a MR fan till
this year and I saw his TT (amazing for someone that still TTrials
zigzaging).

As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may have
even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
performance this
year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the past. But if we put his
performance
relative to what was going on in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can be
quite
confident that the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco
could
hang with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb? Those
were the good times!!

You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now , unlike
DK, DE, and other nordic
Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it more
than anybody.

Alex Beascoechea wrote:

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...
Montesquiou wrote:

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in message , Montesquiou
('')
wrote:

"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" a crit dans le message
de news: ...
RonSonic wrote:


Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?

I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
were
they upset
about and in what way was this action going to affect that
condition?

Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
the Landis way.

Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?

No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French
team.

The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
non-French riders.


I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German)
but
to ban those from a no-clean federation.
This pro-doped federations are some years late,
US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?

Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
non issue in the spanish press.


I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have been
big time dopers.

- Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
- Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
- Toasted chicken.

You can add the belove mentioned names to the list - They have all
either admited, been exposed or convicted for doping. Arround 3/4 of
every dansih pro cyclist up until ca 2001.

Knud Enemark (Died prior to Simpson in 100km TTT at the Olympics)
Mogens Frey
Ole Ritter
Rolf Sørensen
Jesper Skibye
Brian Holm
Kim Andersen
Jesper Worre
Per Pedersen
Jøren V Pedersen
Nicholaj Bo Larsen
Lars Michaelsen
Jørgen Markussen
Thomas Bay
Jacob Piil
Nicky Sørensen
Peter Meinert
Hans Henrik Ørsted
Allan Johansen
Lennie Kristensen
Michael Blautzun
Johnny Weltz

add a large amount of amatour racers, track racers and other pro's
whos names i can't rember or don't know.

The only ones i can reasonably say didn't dope a

Kim Eriksen
Leif Mortensen
Søren Lilholt
Alex Petersen
Kim Markusen
Jens Veggerby
Frank Høj
Kenneth Weltz
Christian Andersen

As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may have
even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
performance this year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the
past. But if we put his performance relative to what was going on
in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can be quite confident that
the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco could hang
with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb? Those
were the good times!!

You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now , unlike
DK, DE, and other nordic

True, in a nordic courtroom inflicting damage to yourself isn't a
crime. You can dope, do drugs, prostitute yourself and even kill
yourself without beeing prosecuted.

However it's illigal to inflict damage to other people, thereas it's
illigal to distribute or sell drugs, aid other people in doping or
doing drugs and it has been for the majority of a century.

Secondly its imposible to buy a drug or doping product without a
pescription. I'd bet comming from just about any other country in
europe you would find any danish, norwegian or swedish farmecist to be
painfully rigid.

Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it more
than anybody.

Wanna bet that it's waaaayy easier to obtain EPO, kortizone,
growthhormone or testesterone in Spain than obtaining either of those
drugs in Denmark, Norway or Sweeden?

We can even include drugs like penecilin, antibiotica, subatmol or
even codein.


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Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.