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Drivers with 12 or more points still on the road
ALL ROAD USERS BEWARE!
There are more than 2,800 drivers with 12 or more points on their licence still permitted to drive in London, according to figures from the DVLA. The figures also show there is one person with a shocking 30 points, with current entitlement to drive. Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. One study highlighted a clear proportional increase in collision fault among those with offence history. Jenny Jones AM said: “The scale of this problem is quite frightening. These 2,800 drivers are getting away with reckless driving. They’ve been offending and therefore building up points on their licence, but still being able to drive. Of course there are instances where magistrates need to use their discretion, but the police need to know its actually worthwhile catching these criminals. Research has also shown drivers with points on their licence are more likely to have previous convictions and be involved in a collision. These drivers are breaking the rules and getting away with it. ” End notes 1. Figures on points obtained from an FOI request to the DVLA Current Points Number of drivers 12 1596 15 225 20 23 25 1 30 1 2. According to a government website, if a driver builds up 12 or more points within a period of 3 years, they are liable to lose their licence and be disqualified under the ‘totting up’ system. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...ons/DG_4022550 3. A study by Loughborough University showed a link between offences and criminality. http://www.lboro.ac.uk/media/wwwlbor...es-summary.pdf |
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On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
ALL ROAD USERS BEWARE! There are more than 2,800 drivers with 12 or more points on their licence still permitted to drive in London, Or 0.0085 % of UK motorists. OMG. Shock ****ing horror. -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster University |
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On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. |
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On Mar 3, 10:21*am, JNugent wrote:
On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote: Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. Why are you trying to divert attention away from the worst killers? Motorist can kill cyclists but cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision. So which do you think is the most dangerous and most that need to be restricted by law? Unfortunately the punishments for dangerous motorists are still derisory, as this thread indicates. -- . A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill. |
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On 08/03/2012 06:57, Doug wrote:
On Mar 3, 10:21 am, wrote: On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote: Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. Why are you trying to divert attention away from the worst killers? Who was talking about killers, best, worst, or otherwise? The proposition was that there is "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", and cyclists are the most pre-eminent perpetrators of road traffic offences, with large parts of their journeys in towns and cities being one long traffic offence and the ored traffic light offence being committed whenever a red light is encountered. Only a small proportion of them seem even to know the difference between lawful and illegal behaviour on the road. So, if there *is* "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", the worst criminals on the road must be cyclists. The upshot of the results of the research is that one should trust a cyclist only sparingly, on principle. Of course, the alternative is that the research and the results were a load of nonsense. I'll let you decide on that. |
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On Mar 8, 8:08*am, JNugent wrote:
On 08/03/2012 06:57, Doug wrote: On Mar 3, 10:21 am, *wrote: On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote: Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. Why are you trying to divert attention away from the worst killers? Who was talking about killers, best, worst, or otherwise? The proposition was that there is "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", and cyclists are the most pre-eminent perpetrators of road traffic offences, with large parts of their journeys in towns and cities being one long traffic offence and the ored traffic light offence being committed whenever a red light is encountered. Only a small proportion of them seem even to know the difference between lawful and illegal behaviour on the road. So, if there *is* "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", the worst criminals on the road must be cyclists. The upshot of the results of the research is that one should trust a cyclist only sparingly, on principle. Of course, the alternative is that the research and the results were a load of nonsense. I'll let you decide on that. Where you are going wrong here, as usual, is that the seriousness of a crime and criminality is usually judged by its effect. Motorists can KSI many more people during collisions than cyclists can so clearly motorists are the worst potential criminals. Note also that cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision but can be killed by motorists during a collision. Add to that... -- . A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill. |
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On 09/03/2012 07:37, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 8:08 am, wrote: On 08/03/2012 06:57, Doug wrote: On Mar 3, 10:21 am, wrote: On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote: Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. Imprison all cyclists immediately as a pre-emptive measure, then. They are the most prolific perpetrators of road traffic offences, after all. Why are you trying to divert attention away from the worst killers? Who was talking about killers, best, worst, or otherwise? The proposition was that there is "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", and cyclists are the most pre-eminent perpetrators of road traffic offences, with large parts of their journeys in towns and cities being one long traffic offence and the ored traffic light offence being committed whenever a red light is encountered. Only a small proportion of them seem even to know the difference between lawful and illegal behaviour on the road. So, if there *is* "a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour", the worst criminals on the road must be cyclists. The upshot of the results of the research is that one should trust a cyclist only sparingly, on principle. Of course, the alternative is that the research and the results were a load of nonsense. I'll let you decide on that. Where you are going wrong here, as usual, is that the seriousness of a crime and criminality is usually judged by its effect. Motorists can KSI many more people during collisions than cyclists can so clearly motorists are the worst potential criminals. Note also that cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision but can be killed by motorists during a collision. Where *you* are going wrong is by completely missing the point implicit within the proposition that "Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour". *If* that is so, cyclists, undoubtedly being the most prolific offenders against road traffic law, *must* be the worst criminals. That is *all* that is it can mean. There is no other credible construction of it. That's if it's correct, of course. |
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On Mar 9, 7:37*am, Doug wrote:
Where you are going wrong here, as usual, is that the seriousness of a crime and criminality is usually judged by its effect. Motorists can KSI many more people during collisions than cyclists can so clearly motorists are the worst potential criminals. Note also that cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision but can be killed by motorists during a collision. Sigh - killfile him, Doug. Numpty Nugent is just a tedious troll. Thanks god I don't read his crap anymore. -- Simon Mason |
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On Mar 8, 6:57*am, Doug wrote:
Motorist can kill cyclists but cyclists can't kill motorists during a collision. So which do you think is the most dangerous and most that need to be restricted by law? Unfortunately the punishments for dangerous motorists are still derisory, as this thread indicates. We will have to wait and see what sentence this attacker who used their car as a weapon will get first, before we can judge if it is derisory or not. http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/Ro...ail/story.html -- Simon Mason |
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On 03/03/2012 08:48, Bertie Wooster wrote:
ALL ROAD USERS BEWARE! There are more than 2,800 drivers with 12 or more points on their licence still permitted to drive in London, according to figures from the DVLA. The figures also show there is one person with a shocking 30 points, with current entitlement to drive. Research has identified a link between road traffic offences and criminal behaviour. One study highlighted a clear proportional increase in collision fault among those with offence history. Jenny Jones AM [the well-known nutter, who is apparently very easily "frightened"] said: “The scale of this problem is quite frightening. Really? I should be frightened because there's a bloke half a mile away who got three points for each bald tyre, all of which have now been replaced with new ones? Why? What's "frightening" about ink on paper? These 2,800 drivers are getting away with reckless driving. They’ve been offending and therefore building up points on their licence, but still being able to drive. Of course there are instances where magistrates need to use their discretion, but the police need to know its actually worthwhile catching these criminals. Many ordinary people are "caught" everyday by cameras. The police aren't involved except tangentially and bureaucratically. No-one sensible takes Mad Jenny seriously. |
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