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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On 25 Apr, 11:06, "mileburner" wrote:
"Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... I'm aware of the effects of risk compensation The main benefit of wearing a helmet that often seems to be overlooked is that it helps the wearer to ride faster and take more chances. Cornering can be done faster, braking done later etc. and an overall feeling of euphoria can accompany the feeling of being indestructible. Knee and elbow pads can also help, gloves are essential for this. Yes, and if you also wear a high-viz jacket, you'll be seen five miles away, but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. (Understandably) not many people know that ;-) Toom |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On 25 Apr, 13:11, Toom Tabard wrote:
On 25 Apr, 11:06, "mileburner" wrote: "Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... I'm aware of the effects of risk compensation The main benefit of wearing a helmet that often seems to be overlooked is that it helps the wearer to ride faster and take more chances. Cornering can be done faster, braking done later etc. and an overall feeling of euphoria can accompany the feeling of being indestructible. Knee and elbow pads can also help, gloves are essential for this. Yes, and if you also wear a high-viz jacket, you'll be seen five miles away, but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. (Understandably) not many people know that ;-) And if you wear black clothes you'll be more obvious - just like all these RAF training planes you see bowling down the road. Not many people know that either ;-) Toom. |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:11:14 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard
wrote: On 25 Apr, 11:06, "mileburner" wrote: "Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... I'm aware of the effects of risk compensation The main benefit of wearing a helmet that often seems to be overlooked is that it helps the wearer to ride faster and take more chances. Cornering can be done faster, braking done later etc. and an overall feeling of euphoria can accompany the feeling of being indestructible. Knee and elbow pads can also help, gloves are essential for this. Yes, and if you also wear a high-viz jacket, you'll be seen five miles away, but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. (Understandably) not many people know that ;-) Toom "but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. " I must admit I had forgotten about that. It really was one of the all time greats - I can't remember by who. -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
"Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... On 25 Apr, 11:06, "mileburner" wrote: "Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... I'm aware of the effects of risk compensation The main benefit of wearing a helmet that often seems to be overlooked is that it helps the wearer to ride faster and take more chances. Cornering can be done faster, braking done later etc. and an overall feeling of euphoria can accompany the feeling of being indestructible. Knee and elbow pads can also help, gloves are essential for this. Yes, and if you also wear a high-viz jacket, you'll be seen five miles away, but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. (Understandably) not many people know that ;-) Hi-viz is exceptionally good because it confuses the drivers. Under normal circumstances, a cyclist cannot be seen from the front which is why drivers pull out into their path. But if you wear hi-viz, the reflected light burns deeply into the retina and sends a signal to the brain to force them to try and work out what this bright coloured object is coming toward them. By the time the have worked it that it is a cyclist, you are already past safely them. When the traffic is approaching from behind, the drivers naturally assume that the cyclist is actually sitting on a JCB, but the JCB is invisible. They cannot work out why they cannot see the invisible JCB but to be safe, they overtake very wide in case it appears. Hi Viz Rocks! |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On 25 Apr, 15:15, "mileburner" wrote:
"Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... On 25 Apr, 11:06, "mileburner" wrote: "Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... I'm aware of the effects of risk compensation The main benefit of wearing a helmet that often seems to be overlooked is that it helps the wearer to ride faster and take more chances. Cornering can be done faster, braking done later etc. and an overall feeling of euphoria can accompany the feeling of being indestructible. Knee and elbow pads can also help, gloves are essential for this. Yes, and if you also wear a high-viz jacket, you'll be seen five miles away, but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. (Understandably) not many people know that ;-) Hi-viz is exceptionally good because it confuses the drivers. Under normal circumstances, a cyclist cannot be seen from the front which is why drivers pull out into their path. But if you wear hi-viz, the reflected light burns deeply into the retina and sends a signal to the brain to force them to try and work out what this bright coloured object is coming toward them. By the time the have worked it that it is a cyclist, you are already past safely them. I've experienced this as a cyclist (in very few instances), but not as a driver - it must be down to subjective skill. But, on balance, hi- viz works. When the traffic is approaching from behind, the drivers naturally assume that the cyclist is actually sitting on a JCB, but the JCB is invisible. They cannot work out why they cannot see the invisible JCB but to be safe, they overtake very wide in case it appears. Indeed, it doesn't matter what you are, unless they expect you to pull in a dig a ditch - hi-viz works. Toom |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On 25 Apr, 13:32, Judith Smith wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:11:14 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard wrote: On 25 Apr, 11:06, "mileburner" wrote: "Toom Tabard" wrote in message .... I'm aware of the effects of risk compensation The main benefit of wearing a helmet that often seems to be overlooked is that it helps the wearer to ride faster and take more chances. Cornering can be done faster, braking done later etc. and an overall feeling of euphoria can accompany the feeling of being indestructible. Knee and elbow pads can also help, gloves are essential for this. Yes, and if you also wear a high-viz jacket, you'll be seen five miles away, but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. (Understandably) not many people know that ;-) Toom "but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. " I must admit I had forgotten about that. It really was one of the all time greats - I can't remember *by who. Let me refresh byour memory regarding who you thought it was:- On 4 Apr, 15:41, Toom Tabard wrote: On 4 Apr, 15:17, Judith Smith wrote: But others have pointed out in previous threads that if your brain spots them from a long way off - then by the time you get close up, your brain will be "forgetting" about them :-) I think it may have been Clinch who gave us that gem. Yes, but my brain works differently from his: a matter of detail for which I consider myself, and all others, should regard themselves as eternally blessed and grateful. Toom Perhaps on Monday he'll be able to write quoting that he is writing from publicly funded sources, and confirm this as well as denigrating and insulting high net taxpayers such as I. And showng a complete lack of awareness, in this respect, regarding the extent to which*'he's given himself enough rope, tied the noose and jumped off the stool as far as his pronouncements go.' Boy, am I going to enjoy this one!* Toom * * * * * |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
Toom Tabard wrote:
Let me refresh byour memory regarding who you thought it was:- Perhaps you should check back through google's archive, as it wasn't me. I've never disputed that dayglo makes you more visible, I simply wonder if that's relevant if you're visible /enough/ without it. Perhaps on Monday he'll be able to write quoting that he is writing from publicly funded sources, and confirm this as well as denigrating and insulting high net taxpayers such as I. And showng a complete lack of awareness, in this respect, regarding the extent to which 'he's given himself enough rope, tied the noose and jumped off the stool as far as his pronouncements go.' I'll point out on Saturday that while you "understand and appreciate [Mike Clark's] perception and views", but describe mine as "specious twaddle", that my views are so close to Mike's in actual substance, and I came about them in pretty much the same way, that it's pretty clear you're now getting into serious messenger blaming rather than looking at real content. Not very good if you want to pass yourself off as as close to objective as reasonably possible. I /did/ say I should give up pointing out you can't tell your facts from opinion (how you /know/ helmets make you safer), granted, but (a) this is a different problem and (b) "should" is not "will" in any case, so perhaps you could address the actual issue being raised rather than quote that back at me or engage in spurious personal attacks that fail to address the content. Or, if past form is anything to go by, perhaps not. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On 25 Apr, 15:44, Toom Tabard wrote:
On 25 Apr, 15:15, "mileburner" wrote: "Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... On 25 Apr, 11:06, "mileburner" wrote: "Toom Tabard" wrote in message ... I'm aware of the effects of risk compensation The main benefit of wearing a helmet that often seems to be overlooked is that it helps the wearer to ride faster and take more chances. Cornering can be done faster, braking done later etc. and an overall feeling of euphoria can accompany the feeling of being indestructible. Knee and elbow pads can also help, gloves are essential for this. Yes, and if you also wear a high-viz jacket, you'll be seen five miles away, but will have been forgotten about and invisible by the time you get close. (Understandably) not many people know that ;-) Hi-viz is exceptionally good because it confuses the drivers. Under normal circumstances, a cyclist cannot be seen from the front which is why drivers pull out into their path. But if you wear hi-viz, the reflected light burns deeply into the retina and sends a signal to the brain to force them to try and work out what this bright coloured object is coming toward them. By the time the have worked it that it is a cyclist, you are already past safely them. I've experienced this as a cyclist (in very few instances), but not as a driver - it must be down to subjective skill. But, on balance, hi- viz works. When the traffic is approaching from behind, the drivers naturally assume that the cyclist is actually sitting on a JCB, but the JCB is invisible. They cannot work out why they cannot see the invisible JCB but to be safe, they overtake very wide in case it appears. Indeed, it doesn't matter what you are, unless they expect you to pull in a dig a ditch - hi-viz works. Maybe its not a JCB, but one of those mini dumpers will make a decent indentation into the side of a regular car, which ARE topped by a driver wearing a hi-vis jacket/vest and no other change from a cyclist above the hips. Same height, same profile. Wear a high vis and they think your driving a mini dumper. |
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The BMA Recycle BeHIT Bull****
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:11:06 +0100, Peter Clinch
wrote: Toom Tabard wrote: Let me refresh byour memory regarding who you thought it was:- Perhaps you should check back through google's archive, as it wasn't me. I apologise for my incorrect recollection - it was in fact Colin McKenzie -- "Primary position" the middle of a traffic lane. To take the "primary position" : to ride a bike in the middle of the lane in order to obstruct other road vehicles from overtaking. A term invented by and used by psycholists and not recognised in the Highway Code. Highway Code Rule 168 : "Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass." |
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The BMA Promote Safer Cycling
On Sunday, 19 April 2009 18:52:35 UTC+1, Judith Smith wrote:
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:30:54 +0100, "Simon Mason" wrote: snip I can't see helmet compulsion for adults ever coming in. The cycling lobby is huge and when under attack or when needs must, closes ranks and comes together. Wishful thinking my old fruit. The public at large will see it as justice and penance for all those V signs given out by cyclists, all those riding on the pavement, all those "Get on the motorway", all those jumping through red lights, all those ignoring pedestrian crossings, all those ....... Get the drift? It will happen - just a matter of time. Why do you think that some of the ****wits here are actually anti-helmet? It is almost 10 years since this was written and cycle hat compulsion is even further away now. |
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