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On 1/24/2020 4:46 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:52:16 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 1/23/2020 3:57 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: But even a bit broader than trade is reintegrating parolees into society. Work and economic self-support is hugely important, but many perhaps most employers simply will not hire people who have been incarcerated. So even if they have a trade they've learned, they can't get a job. In some states parolled felons can't vote, another bar to being an accepted member of society. I'm with you generally but voting rights and 'being an accepted member of society' are unrelated. I would disagree. Many parolled felons are vocal about the effects of being disenfranchised. They have, as the saying goes, paid their debt to society and yet continue to be punished after their sentence is completed. Hell, literally half the people you know are qualified to vote but do not. And you don't know who is who. _That_ ought to be unacceptable in polite society[1]. Well, I was raised in a family that was dedicated to voting, especially my father, so I almost never miss casting my vote (I did completely forget about a primary last year and felt terrible about it). I agree that this is a civic duty and one of the most important things that citizens do. There are countries that put us to shame in this regard, where people are standing in line to vote and may travel hours or days to be able to do so, even though various militant factions are a threat to the voters. My voting place has been a five minute walk from my house for 26 years- I cannot justify not voting. [1] Which should not be construed as support of mandatory voting, a pernicious thing I do not advocate. Voting at gunpoint! "We have ways of making you vote!" I don't disagree with you. Those are completely different discussions. Tim wrote, "...felons can't vote, another bar to being an accepted member of society." I pointed out that voting has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on 'being an accepted member of society'. At all. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 1/24/2020 4:49 PM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:07:16 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: As an especially egregious case in point - my friend the retired NCIS agent, NEVER votes. But spends a great deal of time complaining about politicians. Sheesh. I remember two quotes I've ready to justify this. One was an older woman who said "I never vote, it just encourages them." The other was a well-known person who said "I don't vote because there's no one to vote *for*. Choosing the lesser of evils is still choosing evil." Neither are acceptable to me. Both old and well worn, yet still popular expressions as is "If God wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates." -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:58:40 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/24/2020 12:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:58:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/23/2020 8:48 PM, AMuzi wrote: Speaking of diversity, check out the results of just a few thousands of feral savages inflicted on an otherwise homogenous nation: https://www.thelocal.se/20181015/giv...gets-under-way As my British friend used to say, "If bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs." For those who don't recognize sarcasm, he was very much in favor of British gun laws, and baffled by America's gun nuts. -- - Frank Krygowski The founders of this nation, thank God, were very powerful thinkers. But to you they were dopes and you know much better. They were fairly sharp guys. Not gods, not saints, not infallible, but sharp guys. They believed in well-regulated militias. That was understood quite well for about 200 years. They believed in a militia quite simply because that is all that they there was in the 1700's and yes, they tossed in the word "well regulated", apparently in hope, as none of the state militias of the 1700's were what one might call "well regulated" and yes, there is sufficient history available to realize this. Read up on the Penobscot Expedition. It was only in very recent times that the firearms industry and some gun nuts got lawyers to convince activist judges that all precedents and all previous legal thought should be thrown into a trash can and shot to hell with an AR-15 fitted with a bump stock. Read some history Frank. In the 1700's there was no standing army in the colonies and the only armed defense available was the town/state militia which by the mid 1700's were being viewed with some dismay by the colonial governments. When Washington tried to mobilize the Virginia Militia to fight against an Indian attack, in 1755, the follow was written, " he experienced all the evils of insubordination among the troups, perverseness in the militia, inactivity in the officers, disregard of orders, and reluctance in the civil authorities to render a proper support." Thus, I suggest, the term "well regulated" might well have more then a cursory meaning. As for AR-15's I might comment that contrary to popular belief the bulk of the "continental Army, and the militia before them were armed with smooth bore muskets - the rapid fire weapon of the era. From all the records I can find there were in the neighborhood of 1,500 riflemen, in total, in the Colonial army during the war. However rifles may have been a factor in the Colonial victory in the battle of The Battle of King's Mountain. I can only assume due to the rapid acceptance of fully automatic weapons by various forces in modern times that had a weapon like the AR-15 been available in 1775 that both sides would have adopted it :-) Aft all both side had adopted cannon. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:57:34 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote: On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:58:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/23/2020 8:48 PM, AMuzi wrote: Speaking of diversity, check out the results of just a few thousands of feral savages inflicted on an otherwise homogenous nation: https://www.thelocal.se/20181015/giv...gets-under-way As my British friend used to say, "If bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs." For those who don't recognize sarcasm, he was very much in favor of British gun laws, and baffled by America's gun nuts. -- - Frank Krygowski The founders of this nation, thank God, were very powerful thinkers. But to you they were dopes and you know much better. The murder rate in the US is 5.3 per 100,000. That of El Salvador is 61.8 which is why you want to fill the US with these people and then remove the means of self defense from Americans. Honduras 47, Mexico 25. When you are unaware of the world about you perhaps you should keep your misguided thoughts to yourself. Yawn... And from what I read the murder rate, in the colonies, in the 17th century, the "peacetime murder rates for adult colonists . . . ranged from 100 to 500 or more per year per 100,000 adults, ten to fifty times the rate in the United States today." https://tinyurl.com/r24g7z4 Or to coin a phrase, "So What?" -- cheers, John B. |
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On 1/24/2020 8:54 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:58:40 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/24/2020 12:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: The founders of this nation, thank God, were very powerful thinkers. But to you they were dopes and you know much better. They were fairly sharp guys. Not gods, not saints, not infallible, but sharp guys. They believed in well-regulated militias. That was understood quite well for about 200 years. They believed in a militia quite simply because that is all that they there was in the 1700's and yes, they tossed in the word "well regulated", apparently in hope, as none of the state militias of the 1700's were what one might call "well regulated" and yes, there is sufficient history available to realize this. Read up on the Penobscot Expedition. It was only in very recent times that the firearms industry and some gun nuts got lawyers to convince activist judges that all precedents and all previous legal thought should be thrown into a trash can and shot to hell with an AR-15 fitted with a bump stock. Read some history Frank. In the 1700's there was no standing army in the colonies and the only armed defense available was the town/state militia which by the mid 1700's were being viewed with some dismay by the colonial governments. When Washington tried to mobilize the Virginia Militia to fight against an Indian attack, in 1755, the follow was written, " he experienced all the evils of insubordination among the troups, perverseness in the militia, inactivity in the officers, disregard of orders, and reluctance in the civil authorities to render a proper support." Thus, I suggest, the term "well regulated" might well have more then a cursory meaning. As for AR-15's I might comment that contrary to popular belief the bulk of the "continental Army, and the militia before them were armed with smooth bore muskets - the rapid fire weapon of the era. From all the records I can find there were in the neighborhood of 1,500 riflemen, in total, in the Colonial army during the war. However rifles may have been a factor in the Colonial victory in the battle of The Battle of King's Mountain. I can only assume due to the rapid acceptance of fully automatic weapons by various forces in modern times that had a weapon like the AR-15 been available in 1775 that both sides would have adopted it :-) Aft all both side had adopted cannon. John, you haven't written anything new to me. And nothing that you've written has rebutted what I said. The Constitution was written in a time when militias with muskets were the best insurance against an overseas power taking control of the territory of the brand new United States. Those militias needed to be well regulated, or they themselves could turn the place into 1990s Mogadishu, but in slow motion, with at least 15 seconds between shots. We now have millions of fat Rambo wannabees buying guns not to keep woodchucks out of the garden or put rabbits on the table. They're choosing weapons with fantasy battles in mind, outfitting them with magazines that have no practical use outside a firefight, and pretending that they're going to use them against anyone who demands their background be checked. With funding from the industry supplying their toys, they've gotten the courts to twist away from true originalist interpretations of the 2nd amendment. What these Rambos do is not what your family did in New England. It's not what the Founders imagined in the 1700s. It's not what happens in other economically advanced countries. And our gun death stats and mass shooting stats show the results. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 1/25/2020 2:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/24/2020 8:54 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:58:40 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/24/2020 12:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: The founders of this nation, thank God, were very powerful thinkers. But to you they were dopes and you know much better. They were fairly sharp guys. Not gods, not saints, not infallible, but sharp guys. They believed in well-regulated militias. That was understood quite well for about 200 years. They believed in a militia quite simply because that is all that they there was in the 1700's and yes, they tossed in the word "well regulated", apparently in hope, as none of the state militias of the 1700's were what one might call "well regulated" and yes, there is sufficient history available to realize this. Read up on the Penobscot Expedition. It was only in very recent times that the firearms industry and some gun nuts got lawyers to convince activist judges that all precedents and all previous legal thought should be thrown into a trash can and shot to hell with an AR-15 fitted with a bump stock. Read some history Frank. In the 1700's there was no standing army in the colonies and the only armed defense available was the town/state militia which by the mid 1700's were being viewed with some dismay by the colonial governments. When Washington tried to mobilize the Virginia Militia to fight against an Indian attack, in 1755, the follow was written, " he experienced all the evils of insubordination among the troups, perverseness in the militia, inactivity in the officers, disregard of orders, and reluctance in the civil authorities to render a proper support." Thus, I suggest, the term "well regulated" might well have more then a cursory meaning. As for AR-15's I might comment that contrary to popular belief the bulk of the "continental Army, and the militia before them were armed with smooth bore muskets - the rapid fire weapon of the era. From all the records I can find there were in the neighborhood of 1,500 riflemen, in total, in the Colonial army during the war. However rifles may have been a factor in the Colonial victory in the battle of The Battle of King's Mountain. I can only assume due to the rapid acceptance of fully automatic weapons by various forces in modern times that had a weapon like the AR-15 been available in 1775 that both sides would have adopted it :-) Aft all both side had adopted cannon. John, you haven't written anything new to me. And nothing that you've written has rebutted what I said. The Constitution was written in a time when militias with muskets were the best insurance against an overseas power taking control of the territory of the brand new United States. Those militias needed to be well regulated, or they themselves could turn the place into 1990s Mogadishu, but in slow motion, with at least 15 seconds between shots. We now have millions of fat Rambo wannabees buying guns not to keep woodchucks out of the garden or put rabbits on the table. They're choosing weapons with fantasy battles in mind, outfitting them with magazines that have no practical use outside a firefight, and pretending that they're going to use them against anyone who demands their background be checked. With funding from the industry supplying their toys, they've gotten the courts to twist away from true originalist interpretations of the 2nd amendment. What these Rambos do is not what your family did in New England. It's not what the Founders imagined in the 1700s. It's not what happens in other economically advanced countries. And our gun death stats and mass shooting stats show the results. You obviously do not know all that many firearms owners. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 1/24/2020 9:10 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:57:34 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:58:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/23/2020 8:48 PM, AMuzi wrote: Speaking of diversity, check out the results of just a few thousands of feral savages inflicted on an otherwise homogenous nation: https://www.thelocal.se/20181015/giv...gets-under-way As my British friend used to say, "If bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs." For those who don't recognize sarcasm, he was very much in favor of British gun laws, and baffled by America's gun nuts. -- - Frank Krygowski The founders of this nation, thank God, were very powerful thinkers. But to you they were dopes and you know much better. The murder rate in the US is 5.3 per 100,000. That of El Salvador is 61.8 which is why you want to fill the US with these people and then remove the means of self defense from Americans. Honduras 47, Mexico 25. When you are unaware of the world about you perhaps you should keep your misguided thoughts to yourself. Yawn... And from what I read the murder rate, in the colonies, in the 17th century, the "peacetime murder rates for adult colonists . . . ranged from 100 to 500 or more per year per 100,000 adults, ten to fifty times the rate in the United States today." https://tinyurl.com/r24g7z4 Or to coin a phrase, "So What?" Or over 100 times what it is in other civilized countries. That's what. I'm not interested in going back to even one tenth of the colonial death rates from things like consumption, influenza, yellow fever or typhoid either. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 1/25/2020 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/25/2020 2:59 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/24/2020 8:54 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 13:58:40 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/24/2020 12:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: The founders of this nation, thank God, were very powerful thinkers. But to you they were dopes and you know much better. They were fairly sharp guys. Not gods, not saints, not infallible, but sharp guys. They believed in well-regulated militias. That was understood quite well for about 200 years. They believed in a militia quite simply because that is all that they there was in the 1700's and yes, they tossed in the word "well regulated", apparently in hope, as none of the state militias of the 1700's were what one might call "well regulated" and yes, there is sufficient history availableÂ* to realize this. Read up on the Penobscot Expedition. It was only in very recent times that the firearms industry and some gun nuts got lawyers to convince activist judges that all precedents and all previous legal thought should be thrown into a trash can and shot to hell with an AR-15 fitted with a bump stock. Read some history Frank. In the 1700's there was no standing army in the colonies and the only armed defense available was the town/state militia which by the mid 1700's were being viewed with some dismay by the colonial governments. When Washington tried to mobilize the Virginia Militia to fight against an Indian attack, in 1755, the follow was written, " he experienced all the evils of insubordination among the troups, perverseness in the militia, inactivity in the officers, disregard of orders, and reluctance in the civil authorities to render a proper support." Thus, I suggest, the term "well regulated" might well have more then a cursory meaning. As for AR-15's I might comment that contrary to popular belief the bulk of the "continental Army, and the militia before them were armed with smooth bore muskets - the rapid fire weapon of the era. From all the records I can find there were in the neighborhood of 1,500 riflemen, in total, in the Colonial army during the war. However rifles may have been a factor in the Colonial victory in the battle of The Battle of King's Mountain. I can only assume due to the rapid acceptance of fully automatic weapons by various forces in modern times that had a weapon like the AR-15 been available in 1775 that both sides would have adopted it :-) Aft all both side had adopted cannon. John, you haven't written anything new to me. And nothing that you've written has rebutted what I said. The Constitution was written in a time when militias with muskets were the best insurance against an overseas power taking control of the territory of the brand new United States. Those militias needed to be well regulated, or they themselves could turn the place into 1990s Mogadishu, but in slow motion, with at least 15 seconds between shots. We now have millions of fat Rambo wannabees buying guns not to keep woodchucks out of the garden or put rabbits on the table. They're choosing weapons with fantasy battles in mind, outfitting them with magazines that have no practical use outside a firefight, and pretending that they're going to use them against anyone who demands their background be checked. With funding from the industry supplying their toys, they've gotten the courts to twist away from true originalist interpretations of the 2nd amendment. What these Rambos do is not what your family did in New England. It's not what the Founders imagined in the 1700s. It's not what happens in other economically advanced countries. And our gun death stats and mass shooting stats show the results. You obviously do not know all that many firearms owners. I just thought of eight firearm owning friends or relatives in less than 15 seconds. I could think of many more if given time. Only two of those own AR-style guns. Both of them go to machine gun shoots at least once per year, to blast things like dead refrigerators in a field. One of them invited me to come along a couple times. I turned him down. The friend that I've shot with the most has a son who fears The Left is going to come in and take his guns away. My friend says his son is nuts. (I thought of three more friends with guns in the time I typed that.) (Nope, four more.) -- - Frank Krygowski |
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AMuzi writes:
On 1/24/2020 12:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/24/2020 12:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:58:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/23/2020 8:48 PM, AMuzi wrote: Speaking of diversity, check out the results of just a few thousands of feral savages inflicted on an otherwise homogenous nation: https://www.thelocal.se/20181015/giv...gets-under-way As my British friend used to say, "If bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs." For those who don't recognize sarcasm, he was very much in favor of British gun laws, and baffled by America's gun nuts. -- - Frank Krygowski The founders of this nation, thank God, were very powerful thinkers. But to you they were dopes and you know much better. They were fairly sharp guys. Not gods, not saints, not infallible, but sharp guys. They believed in well-regulated militias. That was understood quite well for about 200 years. It was only in very recent times that the firearms industry and some gun nuts got lawyers to convince activist judges that all precedents and all previous legal thought should be thrown into a trash can and shot to hell with an AR-15 fitted with a bump stock. Tell us about Paul Revere, Lexington & Concord again please. BHO approved bump stocks, which we discussed here years ago (I noted that no firearms owner in my wide acquaintance had anything positive to say about them). DJT banned them. AR-15, your personal bogeyman weapon again? Geez if you need something to truly fear, there are Barrett .50 with optics out there... If you want to really fear something, you might note that there were open gun battles in Nuevo Laredo, Tamaulipas, a few weeks ago that included .50 caliber machine guns. Nuevo Laredo is just across the border from Laredo, Texas. In Mexico, where no firearm chambering a "military" caliber has been legal for civilians for generations. https://www.wwlp.com/news/stay-away-...y-gun-battles/ I remind you that civilians use AR-15 now, replacing mostly .308 Garands. This reads much like 'dynamo vs LiIon' : https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/lodge...er-comparison/ -- |
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On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 16:07:34 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/24/2020 9:10 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:57:34 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote: On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:58:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/23/2020 8:48 PM, AMuzi wrote: Speaking of diversity, check out the results of just a few thousands of feral savages inflicted on an otherwise homogenous nation: https://www.thelocal.se/20181015/giv...gets-under-way As my British friend used to say, "If bombs are outlawed, only outlaws will have bombs." For those who don't recognize sarcasm, he was very much in favor of British gun laws, and baffled by America's gun nuts. -- - Frank Krygowski The founders of this nation, thank God, were very powerful thinkers. But to you they were dopes and you know much better. The murder rate in the US is 5.3 per 100,000. That of El Salvador is 61.8 which is why you want to fill the US with these people and then remove the means of self defense from Americans. Honduras 47, Mexico 25. When you are unaware of the world about you perhaps you should keep your misguided thoughts to yourself. Yawn... And from what I read the murder rate, in the colonies, in the 17th century, the "peacetime murder rates for adult colonists . . . ranged from 100 to 500 or more per year per 100,000 adults, ten to fifty times the rate in the United States today." https://tinyurl.com/r24g7z4 Or to coin a phrase, "So What?" Or over 100 times what it is in other civilized countries. That's what. The "so what" was in reference to comparing the U.S. crime rate to that of some other countries. I'm not interested in going back to even one tenth of the colonial death rates from things like consumption, influenza, yellow fever or typhoid either. -- cheers, John B. |
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