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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
oh golly gee when Prudhomme said Rasmussen was evil. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:00:40 +0200, Morten Reippuert wrote: Similary one should stop and wonder when big guys like Indurain, Armstrong, Hincape, Ulrich and Vinokurov suddenly goes uphill for hours like a steam lokomotive. Suddenly? oh yes, tjeck your facts - even Indurain for the first years in his cariar Indurain did the grupetto, he started going uphill well about the same time EPO hit european cycling. Amstrong couldn't climb until the 97 vuelta, even after his weightloss he was still pretty big compared to true climbers. Of cource durring the 90'es a lot of the bigger guys suddenly leart how to climb like rockets. Hincapee, thats evident. Ulrich huge compared to the pure climbers. Vinokrov. Look at the size of his legs, he has the stature of a sprinter. -- Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
Similary one should stop and wonder when big guys like Indurain, Armstrong, Hincape, Ulrich and Vinokurov suddenly goes uphill for hours like a steam lokomotive. Ullrich went uphill like the locomotive from the very start. There was never a transformation - he took 2nd in his first TdF. Dude had everything but the discipline. You don't think he was juiced from the beginning? He's climbing abilties in 96 was a surprise to everyone. -- Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
Doug Taylor wrote:
Pantani is ANOTHER example. I still like the circumstantial correlation: Climber - sucky TT - Blood doping - sudden TT improvement - grand tour victory. There was absolutly no reason for bloddoping until 2001 since EPO was better, safer, cheaper and easier. Blood doping isn't magic: you need a talented, fit, trained cyclist to win a tour, dope or no. I'm convinced that Basso needed the training, the wind tunnel AND the dope to win the Giro. And, no way Skeletor bests a cyclist like a born again clean David Millar in a TT without "a little help from his friends." That was a huge clue. Whatabout Contador, Garate and Cobo? -- Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
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, Doug Taylor wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:20:15 +0100, Simon Brooke wrote: in message , Doug Taylor ') wrote: His TT. *Last two climbers who used to suck at TT's and won grand tours partly by TT results: *Basso 2006 Giro; Heras 2005 Vuelta. HELLO? No, he hasn't tested positive, but you'd have to be pretty naive to ignore the circumstantial evidence. You're missing an important point here. Note: I'm not defending Rasmussen, I don't know whether he's doped or not. However, Rasmussen has always been a time trial specialist, he's just done his time trials on a road bike and in the mountains. But unlike any other modern climber, his typical exploit is a very long solo breakaway. He doesn't need anyone to work with him, and he doesn't need anyone to chase. In effect these rides have been time trials - they take exactly the same mental discipline as time trials, they take exactly the same physical stamina as time trials, and they're considerably tougher than most modern time trials. We remember one specific time trial in which Rasmussen had every sort of bad luck and lost his composure and his confidence totally, and we say 'he can't time trial'. But that's just rubbish. He has put in astounding time trial performances in all the last three tours - he just hasn't done it on time trial stages. Rasmussen /may/ have doped, but his time trial performance isn't any sort of evidence of it. The analysis is not entirely off the mark. Not to mention that he was a mountain biker, and those races are really time trials in the woods. But in THIS tour, he did a (in?)credible TT in a time trial stage. Yes, he was defending a yellow jersey in this tour. In past tours, when his TT stages were crap - and not just the 2006 embarrassment; check 2005 - his goal was a polka dot jersey and a top 10 g.c. finish. Could be apples and oranges. But he came to THIS tour following training in what now appears to be suspicious circumstances, which in retrospect should have precluded his starting in the first place. My guess is that he was blood doped to the gills with a plan to win the race. Nobody but nobody picked him to be close to the podium before the race. Then he starts putting big time in the Alps, holds on with an unlikely TT performance, and then kicks major butt in every single Pyrenees stage. Sorry, but the cynical side of me says: Marco Pantani, Roberto Heras, Ivan Basso, Mickael Rasmussen: Climbers who doped to win (almost win) grand tours. Doping will not keep you upright on your bicycle. -- Michael Press |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
Doug Taylor wrote:
His TT. Last two climbers who used to suck at TT's and won grand tours partly by TT results: Basso 2006 Giro; Heras 2005 Vuelta. Rasmussen wouldn't have won TDF because of TT results. Not true. He lost than 7 minutes in the 2005 TT http://www.velonews.com/tour2005/res...es/8592.0.html So did Cancelara in Albi. and 8 minutes in 2006 http://www.velonews.com/tour2006/res...s/10535.0.html This year he defends. no, he lost by 2:55 Do the math. do it yourself. -- Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) http://blog.reippuert.dk Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007. |
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:44:38 +0200, Morten Reippuert
wrote: And, no way Skeletor bests a cyclist like a born again clean David Millar in a TT without "a little help from his friends." That was a huge clue. Whatabout Contador, Garate and Cobo? Well, last time I checked they weren't kicked off their national teams then kicked off their pro team and out of the tour for lying about their whereabouts and missing out of season dope tests, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
On Jul 26, 1:42 pm, Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
everything but the discipline. Good name for a band. R |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" wrote in message
news John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:00:40 +0200, Morten Reippuert wrote: Similary one should stop and wonder when big guys like Indurain, Armstrong, Hincape, Ulrich and Vinokurov suddenly goes uphill for hours like a steam lokomotive. Suddenly? oh yes, tjeck your facts - even Indurain for the first years in his cariar Indurain did the grupetto, he started going uphill well about the same time EPO hit european cycling. Amstrong couldn't climb until the 97 vuelta, even after his weightloss he was still pretty big compared to true climbers. Of cource durring the 90'es a lot of the bigger guys suddenly leart how to climb like rockets. Hincapee, thats evident. Ulrich huge compared to the pure climbers. Vinokrov. Look at the size of his legs, he has the stature of a sprinter. Morten, suddenly you sound like a fool. The simple facts are that EVERYONE climbs faster now because everyone is training better, longer and harder. And the equipment is fantastic. Just last weekend I did a metric century on my C40 and blew away just about everyone on the climbs and they were small climbs too. That's the difference between a 17 lb bike and 22 lb bike. Why is it that climbers aren't up front the way they used to be? Because strong teams have been putting the pace so high that the little climbers were completely blown away before the climbs even started. That's how people like Vino, Ullrich and Armstrong managed to make the climbers look bad. The only reason that climbers have been dominating this year is because the pace is a lot slower than normal. |
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