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Effects of too much cycling
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:25:58 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:03:28 +0700, Jon B. Slocomb wrote: Re the various "statins", like many other modern medicines (and some very old ones) they may be a hazard to health so the question is which may be the greatest hazard the fat in the pipes or the medicine. That was my problem. I've been to 3 cardiologists, have had a triple bypass operation, and had 2 stents installed last year. I tend to collect plaque in the arteries and most of my ancestors have died from either a heart attack or stroke. (Choose your parents wisely). Chances are high that I will drop dead writing this message. The cardiologists all agree that I need to do everything possible to reduce cholesterol causing plaque buildup or my plumbing will clog the point of no return. So, I was chugging statins for about 9 years, and suffering with the associated back muscle aches. Every time I saw blood in the urine (without any kidney pains), I cut back on the statins until it went away. The problem was that the pains and muscle damage were cumulative and after 9 years, I couldn't take it any more. I stopped taking statins and decided is was better to take my chances with the plaque in the plumbing. It didn't work because 4 years later, I had to have 2 stents installed. I did some experiments with minimum statin dosage and settled on 20mg atorvastatin twice a week. Amazingly, the reduction in cholesterol with this minimal does was the same as when I was taking much larger doses. No back pain, yet. So, if you're stuck choosing between taking dangerous statins and risking a heart attack, run a blood test with minimal dosage. You might want to look at Livalo which my cardiologist suggested I try as it is given in smaller dose - I take 1 mg daily. It is still a statin but, again according to my cardiologist, a rather benign one. Incidentally, see: http://www.directlabs.com for cheap blood tests. I see my cardiologist quarterly and that includes a blood test to be sure that none of the three medicines, two - hypertension, one for cholesterol, I take are causing problems. Same here except every 6 months. I usually test for much more to see if there are any new surprises. This covers most of the heart related tests: https://www.directlabs.com/Resources/Cardiovascular/CardioPlusPanel/tabid/191/language/en-US/Default.aspx Last results were all within limits, except I had low protein in the blood with was easily fixed by tweaking my diet. As an aside, aspirin, after an estimated 2500 years of use is now considered almost poisonous :-) I take low dose 81mg aspirin and 75mg plavix (blood thinner). Nothing like waking up in the morning and looking like I had been in a fist fight. It works well for intimidating irate customers and haggling with merchants over prices. The only problem so far is that both my knees are large purple bruises thanks to abrasion with my pant legs. Also, I had to switch to an electric shaver to keep from looking like a knife assault victim in the morning. I've been playing with a blood clotting accelerator spray, which seems to help. Just about anything in sufficient dosage and over extended periods is dangerous. You can get sick from drinking too much water. You can die from too much water :-) -- Cheers, John b |
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Effects of too much cycling
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 18:12:46 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 12:26:00 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Snipped Just about anything in sufficient dosage and over extended periods is dangerous. You can get sick from drinking too much water. You can get DEAD from drinking too much water. See hyponatremia. Cheers Yep. I know a couple that did that to themselves. Someone convinced them that everyone was perpetually dehydrated and that they should drink some outrageous amount of water per day. So, they carried around water bottles wherever they went and drank from them almost continuously. I don't recall exactly how long it took for both of them to land in the hospital but I think it was about 6 months. "Hyponatremia: Epidemiology" https://www.aace.com/sites/all/files/blevins_hyponatremia_ss2013AM.pdf Looks like it's fairly common: 15% of hospitalized patients 1% incidence and 2.5% prevalence 67% of cases were hospital acquired. 18-22% incidence in chronic care facilities It gets worse: 104 patients with Na+ 125 mEq/L in a 6 month period 42% of diagnoses incorrect 33% of patients with significant management errors Overall mortality 27% 41% in those with errors in management 20% in those managed appropriately Oh, swell. Go to the hospital and get even more sick or die. Yes, water is dangerous. http://www.dhmo.org It is hot over here, but practically every tourist I see is carrying a bottle of water although I seldom see anyone drink any. I can only assume that one or more of the tourist books/magazines have told them to. I find it a bit humorous as, say 10 or 15 years ago you never saw this. Perhaps it is global warming? -- Cheers, John b |
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Effects of too much cycling
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:58:44 +0700, Jon B. Slocomb
wrote: It is hot over here, but practically every tourist I see is carrying a bottle of water although I seldom see anyone drink any. Not here (Santa Cruz CA). I haven't checked the beach or the amusement parks, but in the hills, no water bottles in sight. However, several of the local stores have a large display of water bottles, which don't seem to be moving. I attended a meeting today (yawn) at the local fire department. When I visited the rest room, I found this on the wall: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/hydration.jpg https://www.google.com/search?q=urine+color+test&tbm=isch My guess(tm) is that the fire departments started reminding their employees and fireman to stay hydrated when doing hot and sweaty work. That somehow migrated to the witch doctors, supplement swindlers, quacks, wellness advisors, and other marginal members of the medical establishment, who advised their patients to do the same. Since a little water is good for you, a radical overdose must be better. I can only assume that one or more of the tourist books/magazines have told them to. Should be something on the internet. Yep: https://www.google.com/search?q=Americans+do+not+drink+enough+water Also books on the topic: https://www.google.com/search?q=hydration+books Seems rather odd that evolution or your favored divine creationist, didn't set our thirst threshold at the correct level. I find it a bit humorous as, say 10 or 15 years ago you never saw this. Perhaps it is global warming? I think this is why hydration packs were invented: https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/07/WATSON_00004198-042.jpg I think that's what we were doing before hydration packs and growlers. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Effects of too much cycling
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:38:46 +0700, Jon B. Slocomb
wrote: You might want to look at Livalo which my cardiologist suggested I try as it is given in smaller dose - I take 1 mg daily. It is still a statin but, again according to my cardiologist, a rather benign one. Been there and tried that: https://www.livalorx.com The most common side effects of LIVALO in clinical studies we - Back pain - Constipation - Diarrhea - Muscle pain - Pain in the legs or arms I managed to experience all of the various "pains" in the list after about a week. No thanks. You can die from too much water :-) Nope. I know where I will meet my well deserved premature demise. It will be in the local supermarket parking lot, run over by some person who believes that the rules of the road and common sense are all suspended in the parking lot. I've come closer to meeting my end in such parking lots than in any other dangerous situation. Death by internal flooding is the least of my worries. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:36:13 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:58:44 +0700, Jon B. Slocomb wrote: It is hot over here, but practically every tourist I see is carrying a bottle of water although I seldom see anyone drink any. Not here (Santa Cruz CA). I haven't checked the beach or the amusement parks, but in the hills, no water bottles in sight. However, several of the local stores have a large display of water bottles, which don't seem to be moving. I attended a meeting today (yawn) at the local fire department. When I visited the rest room, I found this on the wall: http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/hydration.jpg https://www.google.com/search?q=urine+color+test&tbm=isch My guess(tm) is that the fire departments started reminding their employees and fireman to stay hydrated when doing hot and sweaty work. That somehow migrated to the witch doctors, supplement swindlers, quacks, wellness advisors, and other marginal members of the medical establishment, who advised their patients to do the same. Since a little water is good for you, a radical overdose must be better. I can only assume that one or more of the tourist books/magazines have told them to. Should be something on the internet. Yep: https://www.google.com/search?q=Americans+do+not+drink+enough+water Also books on the topic: https://www.google.com/search?q=hydration+books Seems rather odd that evolution or your favored divine creationist, didn't set our thirst threshold at the correct level. I find it a bit humorous as, say 10 or 15 years ago you never saw this. Perhaps it is global warming? I think this is why hydration packs were invented: https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2015/07/WATSON_00004198-042.jpg I think that's what we were doing before hydration packs and growlers. The Phuket Iron Man bike section is held on public roads which are temporarily blocked from other traffic during the period that the bicycles will actually be traveling over that section of the route, and it happens that my normal Sunday ride is over about a third of the Iron Man route. When I approach one of the sections, on my bicycle, the police just wave me on and so I have ridden sections of the route with the participants (although much slower) and noticeable they are not carrying large amounts of liquids. I see, maybe, a handle bar mounted bottle with a drinking tube and occasionally a tube mounted (seat or down) bottle. Also, during my running days I ran in the Singapore marathon and the Bangkok marathon and noticeably the front runners neither carry water nor do they seem to stop at drink stations. Which is not to say that they do not drink but it certainly wasn't noticeable.But also their marathon is probably much shorter then mine as it only takes them a couple of hours to get around while it takes me much longer :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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Effects of too much cycling
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:49:11 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:38:46 +0700, Jon B. Slocomb wrote: You might want to look at Livalo which my cardiologist suggested I try as it is given in smaller dose - I take 1 mg daily. It is still a statin but, again according to my cardiologist, a rather benign one. Been there and tried that: https://www.livalorx.com The most common side effects of LIVALO in clinical studies we - Back pain - Constipation - Diarrhea - Muscle pain - Pain in the legs or arms I managed to experience all of the various "pains" in the list after about a week. No thanks. Goodness. I was taking something (forgot the name) that made my legs swell up and I wasn't all that happy with the cardiologist so went to a different hospital and told the cardiologist there why I had decided to change doctors and she put me on Livalo - 1 mg daily - and NATRILIX, which is a diuretic and my cholesterol is staying well within bounds and the HDL/LDL ratio is well within the recommended range. Out of curiosity did you ever try a purely vegetarian diet? My wife, for religious reasons, is a vegetarian during certain periods of the year and her cholesterol does drop a bit during those periods. You can die from too much water :-) Nope. I know where I will meet my well deserved premature demise. It will be in the local supermarket parking lot, run over by some person who believes that the rules of the road and common sense are all suspended in the parking lot. I've come closer to meeting my end in such parking lots than in any other dangerous situation. Death by internal flooding is the least of my worries. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Effects of too much cycling
On 7/22/2017 10:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I know where I will meet my well deserved premature demise. It will be in the local supermarket parking lot, run over by some person who believes that the rules of the road and common sense are all suspended in the parking lot. I've come closer to meeting my end in such parking lots than in any other dangerous situation. Bringing the discussion back to [gasp!] cycling: I've written quite a few articles on bicycling safety. One of them was titled, IIRC, "Advice for the Timid." It had tips for people who choose to use parking lots, sidewalks, etc. because they're afraid to ride on the roads. And yes, one major point is that there are effectively no rules in parking lots. They are much more chaotic than roads. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 00:54:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 7/22/2017 10:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: I know where I will meet my well deserved premature demise. It will be in the local supermarket parking lot, run over by some person who believes that the rules of the road and common sense are all suspended in the parking lot. I've come closer to meeting my end in such parking lots than in any other dangerous situation. Bringing the discussion back to [gasp!] cycling: I've written quite a few articles on bicycling safety. One of them was titled, IIRC, "Advice for the Timid." It had tips for people who choose to use parking lots, sidewalks, etc. because they're afraid to ride on the roads. And yes, one major point is that there are effectively no rules in parking lots. They are much more chaotic than roads. Out of curiosity who administrates parking lots. I remember years ago a young fellow that worked for me got his fender dented in a drive in theater (a long time ago :-) he got the guy's number and went to the Cop Shop who told him as it was private property they had nothing to do with it. I've always wondered who was responsible in one of these giant parking lots with several hundred cars in it? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 9:54:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/22/2017 10:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: I know where I will meet my well deserved premature demise. It will be in the local supermarket parking lot, run over by some person who believes that the rules of the road and common sense are all suspended in the parking lot. I've come closer to meeting my end in such parking lots than in any other dangerous situation. Bringing the discussion back to [gasp!] cycling: I've written quite a few articles on bicycling safety. One of them was titled, IIRC, "Advice for the Timid." It had tips for people who choose to use parking lots, sidewalks, etc. because they're afraid to ride on the roads. And yes, one major point is that there are effectively no rules in parking lots. They are much more chaotic than roads. A niece really had trouble riding and it turned out it was because she had an old cruiser which was so difficult to ride that she could barely riding a couple of miles. When she tried her sisters racer she was astonished at how easy it rode. |
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On 7/23/2017 2:25 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 00:54:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/22/2017 10:49 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: I know where I will meet my well deserved premature demise. It will be in the local supermarket parking lot, run over by some person who believes that the rules of the road and common sense are all suspended in the parking lot. I've come closer to meeting my end in such parking lots than in any other dangerous situation. Bringing the discussion back to [gasp!] cycling: I've written quite a few articles on bicycling safety. One of them was titled, IIRC, "Advice for the Timid." It had tips for people who choose to use parking lots, sidewalks, etc. because they're afraid to ride on the roads. And yes, one major point is that there are effectively no rules in parking lots. They are much more chaotic than roads. Out of curiosity who administrates parking lots. I remember years ago a young fellow that worked for me got his fender dented in a drive in theater (a long time ago :-) he got the guy's number and went to the Cop Shop who told him as it was private property they had nothing to do with it. I've always wondered who was responsible in one of these giant parking lots with several hundred cars in it? Property owner or lessee if there's a question of structural or management errors but just the other auto owner if it was simple driver error. Your friend might pursue that civilly but since it's not a public way the police are not interested on an administrative level. If a (non-traffic) crime occurred such as deliberate harm that's a different story; whatever agency has jurisdiction could investigate. My amateur two cents anyway, I'm sure Jay could tighten that up a bit. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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