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Comparing relative impacts of various trail user groups--NoSurprise, Hikers and Equestrians Cause More Trail Damage than Mountain Bikers
On Jun 3, 7:36 am, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero "Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual scientific research? If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous occasions The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in order to make mountain biking appear less harmful. Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up" option. No, I just asked them. DUH! Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of stuff you just made up. Whatever. Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny. It's okay. Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact" that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up, fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself. Everything I said is true... A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the real truth - that you just plain made it up. You should do your own research... I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of any kind. But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them themselves. AND DID YOU? Yes, I did. Not one of them replied in the affirmative. Checking up on your fabrications is trivial, Mike. Why bother making stuff up that's so easily refuted? E.P. |
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Comparing relative impacts of various trail user groups--No Surprise, Hikers and Equestrians Cause More Trail Damage than Mountain Bikers
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:55:57 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero
wrote: On Jun 3, 7:36 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero "Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual scientific research? If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous occasions The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in order to make mountain biking appear less harmful. Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up" option. No, I just asked them. DUH! Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of stuff you just made up. Whatever. Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny. It's okay. Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact" that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up, fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself. Everything I said is true... A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the real truth - that you just plain made it up. You should do your own research... I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of any kind. But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them themselves. AND DID YOU? Yes, I did. Not one of them replied in the affirmative. Now they aren't even being honest! I ugess they are gun-shy from having their bad "research" exposed. Did you expect a mountain biker to be HONEST?!!! Checking up on your fabrications is trivial, Mike. Why bother making stuff up that's so easily refuted? E.P. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Comparing relative impacts of various trail user groups--NoSurprise, Hikers and Equestrians Cause More Trail Damage than Mountain Bikers
On May 29, 6:44 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 08:45:45 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero The evidence has already been provided. BS. Unless you can provide some real evidence, you are just LYING again. The part you trimmed addresses that. E.P. |
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Comparing relative impacts of various trail user groups--NoSurprise, Hikers and Equestrians Cause More Trail Damage than Mountain Bikers
On Jun 3, 9:52 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:55:57 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On Jun 3, 7:36 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On Jun 2, 7:52 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 14:34:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On Jun 1, 10:40 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 00:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 9:37 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 3:59 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 31, 12:51 am, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero wrote: On May 29, 10:50 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Ed Pirrero "Real", as in supporting your position? Or "real" as in actual scientific research? If you mean the latter, it's already been provided, on numerous occasions The mountain biker-authors misstated their own results, in order to make mountain biking appear less harmful. Since nowhere do the authors make any claims as to whether or not they actually own any bikes whatsoever, I guess you took the "make it up" option. No, I just asked them. DUH! Without proof, I'll just consider that yet another in a long line of stuff you just made up. Whatever. Exactly. More stuff you just made up. I knew you'd never be able to provide proof of your blatantly-false and ridiculous claim, because you just made it up on the spot. You are truly LOL funny. It's okay. Since when is it OK to make up stuff, Mike? It's not OK. The "fact" that those authors are MTBers is a "fact" you invented, made up, fabricated. Lying is wrong, Mike. You should be ashamed of yourself. Everything I said is true... A claim for which you provide no proof. Prove that even one of those authors even owns a bike, any bike, and I'll be happy to continue the discussion. Otherwise, you're just stalling and trying to evade the real truth - that you just plain made it up. You should do your own research... I did, and nowhere in any of the research you provided was there even a single mention of whether or not the authors even owned a bike of any kind. But I provided their email addresses, so you could ask them themselves. AND DID YOU? Yes, I did. Not one of them replied in the affirmative. Now they aren't even being honest! By what standard? Your imaginary conspiracy of MTBers flooding the peer-reviewed literature with pro-MTB propaganda? LOL. The word "logic" and "Vandeman" should never appear in the same newsgroup together. E.P. |
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