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Surprise surprise, the ABD and its lies are behind the anti road-pricing petition.
The Times
11 January 2007 Hardliners drive their campaign via No 10 website Ben Webster A Downing Street experiment in internet democracy has been hijacked by a hardline motoring organisation that is promoting a petition against nationwide congestion charging. The Association of British Drivers, which believes that speed limits should become advisory rather than compulsory and campaigns for the abolition of speed cameras, has used the No 10 website to secure more than 200,000 signatures. The next most popular petition on the Downing Street site - petitions.pm.gov.uk - to repeal the Hunting Act 2004, has gained only 18,000 signatures The congestion charge petition was placed on the site by Peter Roberts, 46, who describes himself as an "ordinary motorist and account manager from Telford, Shropshire". The Times can reveal that Mr Roberts is a member of the association, which he joined two months before starting the petition. He also works in the car industry, supplying parts for Honda and Nissan. An e-mail promoting the petition has been circulated widely by Mr Roberts and other members of the association. It contains several inaccuracies and paints an alarming picture of the impact of national road tolls on families. It claims that the Government is planning to force drivers to spend up to £200 on a tracking device that will monitor all their movements, charge them £89 a month in road tolls and catch them every time that they exceed the speed limit. It also claims that "all drivers will be paying far more than today". The Government is committed to holding congestion charging trials, probably in Birmingham or Manchester from 2010, but has made no decision on a national scheme, which it says is at least a decade away. A study by the Department for Transport found that most drivers would pay less than they do now under a national system of road tolls. Ministers have said that other road taxes, such as vehicle excise duty or fuel duty, will be reduced if motorists are required to pay by the mile for road use. The technology may also cost the motorist nothing because the DfT hopes to "piggyback" on technology being fitted to many modern cars, such as satellite navigation systems. The Government has never suggested that the charging system would be used to monitor the speed of vehicles. A DfT spokesman said: "This e-mail is misleading and factually incorrect. No decisions have been made on many of the things it claims are government policy." http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...541090,00.html |
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Surprise surprise, the ABD and its lies are behind the anti road-pricing petition.
wrote in message oups.com... The Times 11 January 2007 Hardliners drive their campaign via No 10 website Yawn............................................zz zzzzzzzzzzzzz................... |
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Surprise surprise, the ABD and its lies are behind the anti road-pricing petition.
mb wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:26:32 -0800, ukrc wrote: The Times [snip] Get over it. And stop posting this crap here. Why? Not an ABD member yourself are you? And who the hell do you think to are to tell other posters what they can and cannot post? In fact the more you attempt to bully, the more I am encouraged to post transport policy and road safety related material, if only to annoy you! Anyhow, I see that true to form the Telegraph doesn't highlight that Roberts is actually and ABD activist. Still on the bright side the petition does appear to be an excellent example of mob rule, sorry 'democracy' in action... |
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Surprise surprise, the ABD and its lies are behind the anti road-pricing petition.
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:43:44 +0000, Matt B
wrote: wrote: The Times 11 January 2007 Hardliners drive their campaign via No 10 website Ben Webster A Downing Street experiment in internet democracy has been hijacked by a hardline motoring organisation that is promoting a petition against nationwide congestion charging. Or to put a different spin on it: The Daily Telegraph 10 January 2007 [1] quote Thousands join the fight against road pricing ... The grass roots revolt comes as the Government draws up plans to identify where the first road pricing trials will take place, in readiness for a planned national scheme in the middle of the next decade. Although the protest is backed by the Association of British Drivers, a small group representing motorists, the initiative is the work of one man, Peter Roberts, 46, an account manager from Telford, Shropshire. It will send a signal to the political parties, who have all supported the principle of "demand management" as a way of easing congestion. ... /quote [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ntravel10.xml As an example of "spin", this is noticable in that the u.r.c. resident TrollB has carefully omitted that the proponent IS A MEMBER of the of the (spit) ABD - indeed TrollB implies through selective editing that the oposite is the case. |
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:43:44 +0000, Matt B wrote: Or to put a different spin on it: The Daily Telegraph 10 January 2007 [1] quote Thousands join the fight against road pricing ... The grass roots revolt comes as the Government draws up plans to identify where the first road pricing trials will take place, in readiness for a planned national scheme in the middle of the next decade. Although the protest is backed by the Association of British Drivers, a small group representing motorists, the initiative is the work of one man, Peter Roberts, 46, an account manager from Telford, Shropshire. It will send a signal to the political parties, who have all supported the principle of "demand management" as a way of easing congestion. ... /quote [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ntravel10.xml As an example of "spin", this is noticable in that the u.r.c. resident ... has carefully omitted that the proponent IS A MEMBER of the of the (spit) ABD Eh? What makes you think he /is/ a member? - indeed [Matt B] implies through selective editing that the oposite is the case. Eh? Where does the Telegraph article say that? -- Matt B |
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wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:43:44 +0000, Matt B wrote: Or to put a different spin on it: The Daily Telegraph 10 January 2007 [1] quote Thousands join the fight against road pricing... /quote As an example of "spin", this is noticable in that the u.r.c. resident TrollB has carefully omitted that the proponent IS A MEMBER of the of the (spit) ABD - indeed TrollB implies through selective editing that the oposite is the case. Poor Matt B, self-confessed 'libertarian' and an ABD member. He hasn't got a lot going for him has he! Another apparent 'qualification' to be an ABD supporter is to have views 'slightly to the right of Attila the Hun'. (And I note that Roberts also admits to be 'quite right wing' ). All in all the ABD would seem to be a perfect reflection of the individualistic, 'look after number one', 'might is right', 'there is no such thing as society' age in which we live. |
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Surprise surprise, the ABD and its lies are behind the anti road-pricing petition.
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 19:14:30 +0000, Matt B
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:43:44 +0000, Matt B wrote: Or to put a different spin on it: The Daily Telegraph 10 January 2007 [1] quote Thousands join the fight against road pricing ... The grass roots revolt comes as the Government draws up plans to identify where the first road pricing trials will take place, in readiness for a planned national scheme in the middle of the next decade. Although the protest is backed by the Association of British Drivers, a small group representing motorists, the initiative is the work of one man, Peter Roberts, 46, an account manager from Telford, Shropshire. It will send a signal to the political parties, who have all supported the principle of "demand management" as a way of easing congestion. ... /quote [1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../ntravel10.xml As an example of "spin", this is noticable in that the u.r.c. resident ... has carefully omitted that the proponent IS A MEMBER of the of the (spit) ABD Eh? What makes you think he /is/ a member? Eh? This line in the article - one which you edited out: "The Times can reveal that Mr Roberts is a member of the association..." - indeed [Matt B] implies through selective editing that the oposite is the case. Eh? Where does the Telegraph article say that? Eh? I say that - as you edited the article to imply the opposite. |
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