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  #31  
Old June 14th 21, 11:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Rolf Mantel[_2_]
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Am 14.06.2021 um 01:57 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
On 6/13/2021 7:26 PM, sms wrote:
*I'd rather spend $40 million to provide 40,000 electric bicycles than
to use it build one mile of a light rail system. If we can subsidize
electric cars with tax credits we can be doing the same with electric
bicycles.


East of California and north of Tennessee, I think almost all electric
bikes would sit unused for at least four months of the year, no matter
the level of subsidy.


I was positively surprised how many bicyclists there were in Minneapolis
with temperatures around 10F /-10C (bike routes were snow free in the
mornings before the state roads) but probably it would feel a lot colder
on an Electric when you don't produce as much internal heat.

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Old June 14th 21, 02:51 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 7:11:36 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 20:43:08 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/13/2021 7:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:53:18 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:42:27 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/13/2021 7:31 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 5:03:50 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/13/2021 6:26 PM, sms wrote:
On 6/10/2021 7:30 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/morning-news/techno...ve-richontech/


I think that the future of non-car transportation (other
than for dense cities) is a combination of personal mobility
devices with a safety net of on-demand shuttles that
supplements a very few bus or light-rail lines.

When I was a local elected I had to deal with my county's
highly dysfunctional public transit system which has the
poorest fare recovery of any transit system in the U.S. (and
possibly the world)--we're #1
http://ti.org/antiplanner/?p=289. My City ended up
starting up our own shuttle system because it was clear that
we would never be able to get adequate service from the
County system which is basically controlled by San Jose.

Electric personal mobility devices are the only hope of
getting more people out of their cars since they are faster
and more convenient than most public transit. I'd rather
spend $40 million to provide 40,000 electric bicycles than
to use it build one mile of a light rail system. If we can
subsidize electric cars with tax credits we can be doing the
same with electric bicycles.
Amazingly we see the problem similarly.

'Light rail' is only light on logic. Heavy on the taxpayer's
neck with small to nil benefit and a host of new problems
while the intended problems resist solution.

For 'fare recovery' nothing, and I state that categorically,
nothing beats the Milwaukee Trolley. That much reviled
boondoggle was imposed on the taxpayers like a weighted yoke
with a big fat zero for revenue.

That's not hyperbole. Revenues are zero.

They never planned, designed or installed any method to
collect fares.

https://empowerwisconsin.org/streetc...ed-boondoggle/

It's like an 'Idiocracy' parody of The Future.

The expenses of a publicly operated rail are absolutely unbelievable. Amtrak is 50 years old now and it has never once gotten anywhere close to turning a profit. In 2019 they lost only $817,000 I believe and they use other people's rails. Light rail trains in order to run fast have to be on their own rails and those rails have a VERY high maintenance cost.

Jay was telling us that high speed trains could run on normal rail gauges because that is what the Japanese do. But American engineers have said another thing altogether. They think that the real gauge for high speed trains should be two feet wider than the standard gauge. But I'm certain that Jay knows a great deal better.

They want wider a gauge because they want wider cars that sit more on the tracks and are less likely to tip over in a derailment at high speeds. BART has a 5'6" gauge if memory serves whereas a standard rail gauge is 4'8 1/2" So American engineers want more like 6 1/2' But you know those public rail transportation engineers they don't know a thing.

As for skidding on the tracks like BART does - all they need for high speed light rail is a differential. If the world's heaviest tank and trucks can use a differential why wouldn't high speed rail?

But why would ANYONE take a high speed light rail when they could fly in a third the time and a 10th the cost?

With some number of iterations on the Shinkansen all over
Japan for several years I can assure you that US standard
rail gauge is quite functional in a nicely engineered and
maintained system.
While Japanese high speed rail systems are relatively safe per passenger mile, I can assure you that they have quite a few crashes.
The problem with high speed train crashes is trying to keep on schedules when you have to deal with people moving on and off of a train causing delays. I suppose you could automate the system but then you'd have to throw out any real scheduling.


On the Shinkansen? Hardly.

Being a nuisance, holding up the line or any such thing is
'just not done'. Yes, it's a Japanese train system on
Japanese rail, but it's also filled with Japanese passengers.

Even years ago when I was stationed in Japan and rode the trains they
seemed to run on schedule. In fact they had train officials at the
stations to push passengers onto the trains rapidly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7kor5nHtZQ
or the Tokyo Subway
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/0...-of-japan.html
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Cheers,

John B.

Gee John, why don't you push someone into a BART train here? I'll bet you could do that once before your death.
  #33  
Old June 14th 21, 02:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
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On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:28:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 11.06.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Tom Kunich:
On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:05:54 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2021 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/10/2021 4:22 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 7:30:58 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/morning-news/techno...ve-richontech/

After thinking about what Lou said I suppose that the modern generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two. Long enough to learn that man-made climate change was nothing more than another tool of the left to instill fear in the stupid people for mass control.

Once again Tom, you amaze us with your comments. I will restrain from making any direct remarks about them.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.php
Above is a link to snow in Los Angeles. Andy's post above was about Los Angeles.

You wrote "I suppose that the modern generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two."

The above webpage on Los Angeles snow says the RECORD for one day and one month is from January 1932. 89 years ago. Once a lifetime event. 89 is well above the life expectancy in the USA. And they got a whopping 2 inches that day in 1932. Where I live and where Andy lives, bicyclists laugh at a measly pitiful pathetic 2 inches of snow. It takes 2 feet to be a real concern.

I've been to Los Angeles several times. March was the coldest month I visited. Brrrr. Went to Disneyland in shorts and t-shirt on that trip. Guessing shorts and t-shirts would have been appropriate for the entire winter season in Los Angeles.

On the above webpage for snow in Los Angeles they list all the snow events in downtown Los Angeles since 1918. Its snowed in 15 years from 1918 to 1962. Mostly trace amounts. But some were measurable. The table shown stops at 1962. I don't know if it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles from 1962 to 2021, or the webpage just stopped the table at 1962. But if its the former, it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles since 1962, then that would seem to support the factually supported theory that the earth is warming. Thus no snow in downtown Los Angeles for 59 years. Most likely due to man caused actions.

I've been to San Francisco a couple times about two decades ago. Summer time I think. So no winter experience with San Francisco. But I'm guessing winter in San Francisco area is very mild to say the lease. Cyclable on electric and regular bikes every day of the year. Supposedly you live in Oakland, on the other side of the Bay. Guessing winter weather in Oakland is the same as in San Francisco. Cyclable all winter long. You have yet to amaze us with your winter riding adventures in blizzards so I'm guessing it doesn't snow in San Francisco area.

So we have determined that there is no winter in San Francisco, Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego. Yet you wrote "It won't take too many winters to change their minds."

in re Global Warming:

Today, 10 June, it's snowing at the west border of Montana,
5 inches expected (from a customer driving heavy machinery
transport).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...une/ar-AAKUAiI

carry on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hoo...ht-2021-06-10/
https://news.yahoo.com/hoover-dam-re...100814715.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ir-drought-low

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

"In total, water from Lake Mead serves 18 million people in Arizona, Nevada, and California and supplies the irrigation of over 1,000,000 acres (400,000 ha) of land."
Montana has 1.09 million residents total. Diminishing water from Hoover Dam serves 18 million people. 18 to 1 ratio there. Area of Montana is 147,040 square miles. 94 million acres. So Hoover only irrigates a mere 1.064% of the area of the state of Montana.
But another Google search says the following
"and the lands these waters drain are all part of the "Colorado River Basin." The rivers drain 242,000 square miles in the United States, or one-twelfth of the country's continental land."
So Hoover drains 1.6 times the area of the state of Montana.

Your comments above say the 5 inches of snow is on the western border of Montana. Going to the Sun road, pass, is over there. Famous bike route. But the whole state of Montana did not get 5 inches of snow. Just the Going to the Sun road got 5 inches of snow.

We don't disagree.

I received the report from a trucker going that way, I
shared it, noting 'western border of Montana'.


Don't look now but it is SUMMER

It might be SUMMER in California but it's quite normal that remote
mountain passes above 6,400 feet altitude will not be snow-free until
mid-July. I've had a freak blizzard in the Alps bringing 3 in of snow in
late July/early August at those altitudes once (and Glacier National
Park is one 48 latutude compared to the 46 latitude of the Alps).


Oh, I'm quite aware of the weather in the alps. Andy Hampsten won the Giro through a snow storm that caused most of his competition to drop out.

But the 3 years I spent in Moses Lake WA were surprisingly snowless in a state that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA. Of course at that point they are in the shadow of the Cascade mountains and most of the moisture is dumped there pushing the weather systems very high not to come down to rain again until Spokane.
  #34  
Old June 14th 21, 05:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 6/14/2021 6:32 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 14.06.2021 um 01:57 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
On 6/13/2021 7:26 PM, sms wrote:
*I'd rather spend $40 million to provide 40,000 electric bicycles
than to use it build one mile of a light rail system. If we can
subsidize electric cars with tax credits we can be doing the same
with electric bicycles.


East of California and north of Tennessee, I think almost all electric
bikes would sit unused for at least four months of the year, no matter
the level of subsidy.


I was positively surprised how many bicyclists there were in Minneapolis
with temperatures around 10F /-10C (bike routes were snow free in the
mornings before the state roads) but probably it would feel a lot colder
on an Electric when you don't produce as much internal heat.


I was always amazed at how warm I was riding to work. I rode in casual
office wear - slacks and dress shirt. In cold weather, down to freezing,
I'd add a sweater plus wind breaker. Inevitably I'd be sweating and
removing at least the jacket before I arrived.

--
- Frank Krygowski
  #35  
Old June 14th 21, 11:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:28:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 11.06.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Tom Kunich:
On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:05:54 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2021 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/10/2021 4:22 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 7:30:58 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/morning-news/techno...ve-richontech/

After thinking about what Lou said I suppose that the modern generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two. Long enough to learn that man-made climate change was nothing more than another tool of the left to instill fear in the stupid people for mass control.

Once again Tom, you amaze us with your comments. I will restrain from making any direct remarks about them.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.php
Above is a link to snow in Los Angeles. Andy's post above was about Los Angeles.

You wrote "I suppose that the modern generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two."

The above webpage on Los Angeles snow says the RECORD for one day and one month is from January 1932. 89 years ago. Once a lifetime event. 89 is well above the life expectancy in the USA. And they got a whopping 2 inches that day in 1932. Where I live and where Andy lives, bicyclists laugh at a measly pitiful pathetic 2 inches of snow. It takes 2 feet to be a real concern.

I've been to Los Angeles several times. March was the coldest month I visited. Brrrr. Went to Disneyland in shorts and t-shirt on that trip. Guessing shorts and t-shirts would have been appropriate for the entire winter season in Los Angeles.

On the above webpage for snow in Los Angeles they list all the snow events in downtown Los Angeles since 1918. Its snowed in 15 years from 1918 to 1962. Mostly trace amounts. But some were measurable. The table shown stops at 1962. I don't know if it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles from 1962 to 2021, or the webpage just stopped the table at 1962. But if its the former, it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles since 1962, then that would seem to support the factually supported theory that the earth is warming. Thus no snow in downtown Los Angeles for 59 years. Most likely due to man caused actions.

I've been to San Francisco a couple times about two decades ago. Summer time I think. So no winter experience with San Francisco. But I'm guessing winter in San Francisco area is very mild to say the lease. Cyclable on electric and regular bikes every day of the year. Supposedly you live in Oakland, on the other side of the Bay. Guessing winter weather in Oakland is the same as in San Francisco. Cyclable all winter long. You have yet to amaze us with your winter riding adventures in blizzards so I'm guessing it doesn't snow in San Francisco area.

So we have determined that there is no winter in San Francisco, Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego. Yet you wrote "It won't take too many winters to change their minds."

in re Global Warming:

Today, 10 June, it's snowing at the west border of Montana,
5 inches expected (from a customer driving heavy machinery
transport).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...une/ar-AAKUAiI

carry on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hoo...ht-2021-06-10/
https://news.yahoo.com/hoover-dam-re...100814715.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ir-drought-low

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

"In total, water from Lake Mead serves 18 million people in Arizona, Nevada, and California and supplies the irrigation of over 1,000,000 acres (400,000 ha) of land."
Montana has 1.09 million residents total. Diminishing water from Hoover Dam serves 18 million people. 18 to 1 ratio there. Area of Montana is 147,040 square miles. 94 million acres. So Hoover only irrigates a mere 1.064% of the area of the state of Montana.
But another Google search says the following
"and the lands these waters drain are all part of the "Colorado River Basin." The rivers drain 242,000 square miles in the United States, or one-twelfth of the country's continental land."
So Hoover drains 1.6 times the area of the state of Montana.

Your comments above say the 5 inches of snow is on the western border of Montana. Going to the Sun road, pass, is over there. Famous bike route. But the whole state of Montana did not get 5 inches of snow. Just the Going to the Sun road got 5 inches of snow.

We don't disagree.

I received the report from a trucker going that way, I
shared it, noting 'western border of Montana'.

Don't look now but it is SUMMER

It might be SUMMER in California but it's quite normal that remote
mountain passes above 6,400 feet altitude will not be snow-free until
mid-July. I've had a freak blizzard in the Alps bringing 3 in of snow in
late July/early August at those altitudes once (and Glacier National
Park is one 48 latutude compared to the 46 latitude of the Alps).


Oh, I'm quite aware of the weather in the alps. Andy Hampsten won the Giro through a snow storm that caused most of his competition to drop out.

But the 3 years I spent in Moses Lake WA were surprisingly snowless in a state that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA. Of course at that point they are in the shadow of the Cascade mountains and most of the moisture is dumped there pushing the weather systems very high not to come down to rain again until Spokane.


An interesting statement as the official figure for annual rain fall
in Moses Lake seems to be 7.69 inches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Lake,_Washington
As opposed to the cities with the most precipitation
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...precipitation/

Your claim to having been in the Air Force is looking thinner and
thinner. You claim to have been on two bomb wings that never existed
and now you claim to have been stationed in a place that has "one of
the highest rainfalls in the USA" which in fact has one of the lowest.
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Cheers,

John B.

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Old June 15th 21, 01:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ralph Barone[_4_]
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John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:28:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 11.06.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Tom Kunich:
On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:05:54 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2021 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/10/2021 4:22 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 7:30:58 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/morning-news/techno...ve-richontech/


After thinking about what Lou said I suppose that the modern
generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a
viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to
change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it
out for a decade or two. Long enough to learn that man-made
climate change was nothing more than another tool of the left to
instill fear in the stupid people for mass control.

Once again Tom, you amaze us with your comments. I will restrain
from making any direct remarks about them.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.php
Above is a link to snow in Los Angeles. Andy's post above was about Los Angeles.

You wrote "I suppose that the modern generation is still young
enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of
transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their
minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two."

The above webpage on Los Angeles snow says the RECORD for one day
and one month is from January 1932. 89 years ago. Once a lifetime
event. 89 is well above the life expectancy in the USA. And they
got a whopping 2 inches that day in 1932. Where I live and where
Andy lives, bicyclists laugh at a measly pitiful pathetic 2 inches
of snow. It takes 2 feet to be a real concern.

I've been to Los Angeles several times. March was the coldest
month I visited. Brrrr. Went to Disneyland in shorts and t-shirt
on that trip. Guessing shorts and t-shirts would have been
appropriate for the entire winter season in Los Angeles.

On the above webpage for snow in Los Angeles they list all the
snow events in downtown Los Angeles since 1918. Its snowed in 15
years from 1918 to 1962. Mostly trace amounts. But some were
measurable. The table shown stops at 1962. I don't know if it has
never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles from 1962 to 2021, or
the webpage just stopped the table at 1962. But if its the former,
it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles since 1962, then
that would seem to support the factually supported theory that the
earth is warming. Thus no snow in downtown Los Angeles for 59
years. Most likely due to man caused actions.

I've been to San Francisco a couple times about two decades ago.
Summer time I think. So no winter experience with San Francisco.
But I'm guessing winter in San Francisco area is very mild to say
the lease. Cyclable on electric and regular bikes every day of the
year. Supposedly you live in Oakland, on the other side of the
Bay. Guessing winter weather in Oakland is the same as in San
Francisco. Cyclable all winter long. You have yet to amaze us with
your winter riding adventures in blizzards so I'm guessing it
doesn't snow in San Francisco area.

So we have determined that there is no winter in San Francisco,
Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego. Yet you wrote "It won't take too
many winters to change their minds."

in re Global Warming:

Today, 10 June, it's snowing at the west border of Montana,
5 inches expected (from a customer driving heavy machinery
transport).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...une/ar-AAKUAiI


carry on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hoo...ht-2021-06-10/

https://news.yahoo.com/hoover-dam-re...100814715.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ir-drought-low

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

"In total, water from Lake Mead serves 18 million people in Arizona,
Nevada, and California and supplies the irrigation of over 1,000,000
acres (400,000 ha) of land."
Montana has 1.09 million residents total. Diminishing water from
Hoover Dam serves 18 million people. 18 to 1 ratio there. Area of
Montana is 147,040 square miles. 94 million acres. So Hoover only
irrigates a mere 1.064% of the area of the state of Montana.
But another Google search says the following
"and the lands these waters drain are all part of the "Colorado
River Basin." The rivers drain 242,000 square miles in the United
States, or one-twelfth of the country's continental land."
So Hoover drains 1.6 times the area of the state of Montana.

Your comments above say the 5 inches of snow is on the western
border of Montana. Going to the Sun road, pass, is over there.
Famous bike route. But the whole state of Montana did not get 5
inches of snow. Just the Going to the Sun road got 5 inches of snow.

We don't disagree.

I received the report from a trucker going that way, I
shared it, noting 'western border of Montana'.

Don't look now but it is SUMMER
It might be SUMMER in California but it's quite normal that remote
mountain passes above 6,400 feet altitude will not be snow-free until
mid-July. I've had a freak blizzard in the Alps bringing 3 in of snow in
late July/early August at those altitudes once (and Glacier National
Park is one 48 latutude compared to the 46 latitude of the Alps).


Oh, I'm quite aware of the weather in the alps. Andy Hampsten won the
Giro through a snow storm that caused most of his competition to drop out.

But the 3 years I spent in Moses Lake WA were surprisingly snowless in a
state that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA. Of course at
that point they are in the shadow of the Cascade mountains and most of
the moisture is dumped there pushing the weather systems very high not
to come down to rain again until Spokane.


An interesting statement as the official figure for annual rain fall
in Moses Lake seems to be 7.69 inches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Lake,_Washington
As opposed to the cities with the most precipitation
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...precipitation/

Your claim to having been in the Air Force is looking thinner and
thinner. You claim to have been on two bomb wings that never existed
and now you claim to have been stationed in a place that has "one of
the highest rainfalls in the USA" which in fact has one of the lowest.


John, you do appear to work hard to not understand what Tom is saying. Read
again “in a STATE that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA.”

  #37  
Old June 15th 21, 01:24 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 5:08:12 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:28:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 11.06.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Tom Kunich:
On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:05:54 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2021 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/10/2021 4:22 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 7:30:58 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/morning-news/techno...ve-richontech/


After thinking about what Lou said I suppose that the modern
generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a
viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to
change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it
out for a decade or two. Long enough to learn that man-made
climate change was nothing more than another tool of the left to
instill fear in the stupid people for mass control.

Once again Tom, you amaze us with your comments. I will restrain
from making any direct remarks about them.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.php
Above is a link to snow in Los Angeles. Andy's post above was about Los Angeles.

You wrote "I suppose that the modern generation is still young
enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of
transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their
minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two."

The above webpage on Los Angeles snow says the RECORD for one day
and one month is from January 1932. 89 years ago. Once a lifetime
event. 89 is well above the life expectancy in the USA. And they
got a whopping 2 inches that day in 1932. Where I live and where
Andy lives, bicyclists laugh at a measly pitiful pathetic 2 inches
of snow. It takes 2 feet to be a real concern.

I've been to Los Angeles several times. March was the coldest
month I visited. Brrrr. Went to Disneyland in shorts and t-shirt
on that trip. Guessing shorts and t-shirts would have been
appropriate for the entire winter season in Los Angeles.

On the above webpage for snow in Los Angeles they list all the
snow events in downtown Los Angeles since 1918. Its snowed in 15
years from 1918 to 1962. Mostly trace amounts. But some were
measurable. The table shown stops at 1962. I don't know if it has
never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles from 1962 to 2021, or
the webpage just stopped the table at 1962. But if its the former,
it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles since 1962, then
that would seem to support the factually supported theory that the
earth is warming. Thus no snow in downtown Los Angeles for 59
years. Most likely due to man caused actions.

I've been to San Francisco a couple times about two decades ago.
Summer time I think. So no winter experience with San Francisco.
But I'm guessing winter in San Francisco area is very mild to say
the lease. Cyclable on electric and regular bikes every day of the
year. Supposedly you live in Oakland, on the other side of the
Bay. Guessing winter weather in Oakland is the same as in San
Francisco. Cyclable all winter long. You have yet to amaze us with
your winter riding adventures in blizzards so I'm guessing it
doesn't snow in San Francisco area.

So we have determined that there is no winter in San Francisco,
Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego. Yet you wrote "It won't take too
many winters to change their minds."

in re Global Warming:

Today, 10 June, it's snowing at the west border of Montana,
5 inches expected (from a customer driving heavy machinery
transport).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...une/ar-AAKUAiI


carry on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hoo...ht-2021-06-10/

https://news.yahoo.com/hoover-dam-re...100814715.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ir-drought-low

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

"In total, water from Lake Mead serves 18 million people in Arizona,
Nevada, and California and supplies the irrigation of over 1,000,000
acres (400,000 ha) of land."
Montana has 1.09 million residents total. Diminishing water from
Hoover Dam serves 18 million people. 18 to 1 ratio there. Area of
Montana is 147,040 square miles. 94 million acres. So Hoover only
irrigates a mere 1.064% of the area of the state of Montana.
But another Google search says the following
"and the lands these waters drain are all part of the "Colorado
River Basin." The rivers drain 242,000 square miles in the United
States, or one-twelfth of the country's continental land."
So Hoover drains 1.6 times the area of the state of Montana.

Your comments above say the 5 inches of snow is on the western
border of Montana. Going to the Sun road, pass, is over there.
Famous bike route. But the whole state of Montana did not get 5
inches of snow. Just the Going to the Sun road got 5 inches of snow.

We don't disagree.

I received the report from a trucker going that way, I
shared it, noting 'western border of Montana'.

Don't look now but it is SUMMER
It might be SUMMER in California but it's quite normal that remote
mountain passes above 6,400 feet altitude will not be snow-free until
mid-July. I've had a freak blizzard in the Alps bringing 3 in of snow in
late July/early August at those altitudes once (and Glacier National
Park is one 48 latutude compared to the 46 latitude of the Alps).

Oh, I'm quite aware of the weather in the alps. Andy Hampsten won the
Giro through a snow storm that caused most of his competition to drop out.

But the 3 years I spent in Moses Lake WA were surprisingly snowless in a
state that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA. Of course at
that point they are in the shadow of the Cascade mountains and most of
the moisture is dumped there pushing the weather systems very high not
to come down to rain again until Spokane.


An interesting statement as the official figure for annual rain fall
in Moses Lake seems to be 7.69 inches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Lake,_Washington
As opposed to the cities with the most precipitation
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...precipitation/

Your claim to having been in the Air Force is looking thinner and
thinner. You claim to have been on two bomb wings that never existed
and now you claim to have been stationed in a place that has "one of
the highest rainfalls in the USA" which in fact has one of the lowest.

John, you do appear to work hard to not understand what Tom is saying. Read
again “in a STATE that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA.”


Well, Tom is still wrong if we're going with state averages. https://www.currentresults.com/Weath...cipitation.php Washington is ranked 29th wettest. Oregon is ranked 36th wettest. Hawaii and Louisiana are first and second wettest. Oregon is much like Hawaii: https://tinyurl.com/53h8zutx BTW, the Alvord Desert is where serious people go to set land speed records (and die -- sometimes simultaneously) and not that crummy Bonneville Salt Flat. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53173707

-- Jay Beattie.



  #38  
Old June 15th 21, 01:38 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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Posts: 5,697
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 00:08:04 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:28:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 11.06.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Tom Kunich:
On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:05:54 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2021 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/10/2021 4:22 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 7:30:58 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/morning-news/techno...ve-richontech/


After thinking about what Lou said I suppose that the modern
generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a
viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to
change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it
out for a decade or two. Long enough to learn that man-made
climate change was nothing more than another tool of the left to
instill fear in the stupid people for mass control.

Once again Tom, you amaze us with your comments. I will restrain
from making any direct remarks about them.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.php
Above is a link to snow in Los Angeles. Andy's post above was about Los Angeles.

You wrote "I suppose that the modern generation is still young
enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of
transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their
minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two."

The above webpage on Los Angeles snow says the RECORD for one day
and one month is from January 1932. 89 years ago. Once a lifetime
event. 89 is well above the life expectancy in the USA. And they
got a whopping 2 inches that day in 1932. Where I live and where
Andy lives, bicyclists laugh at a measly pitiful pathetic 2 inches
of snow. It takes 2 feet to be a real concern.

I've been to Los Angeles several times. March was the coldest
month I visited. Brrrr. Went to Disneyland in shorts and t-shirt
on that trip. Guessing shorts and t-shirts would have been
appropriate for the entire winter season in Los Angeles.

On the above webpage for snow in Los Angeles they list all the
snow events in downtown Los Angeles since 1918. Its snowed in 15
years from 1918 to 1962. Mostly trace amounts. But some were
measurable. The table shown stops at 1962. I don't know if it has
never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles from 1962 to 2021, or
the webpage just stopped the table at 1962. But if its the former,
it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles since 1962, then
that would seem to support the factually supported theory that the
earth is warming. Thus no snow in downtown Los Angeles for 59
years. Most likely due to man caused actions.

I've been to San Francisco a couple times about two decades ago.
Summer time I think. So no winter experience with San Francisco.
But I'm guessing winter in San Francisco area is very mild to say
the lease. Cyclable on electric and regular bikes every day of the
year. Supposedly you live in Oakland, on the other side of the
Bay. Guessing winter weather in Oakland is the same as in San
Francisco. Cyclable all winter long. You have yet to amaze us with
your winter riding adventures in blizzards so I'm guessing it
doesn't snow in San Francisco area.

So we have determined that there is no winter in San Francisco,
Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego. Yet you wrote "It won't take too
many winters to change their minds."

in re Global Warming:

Today, 10 June, it's snowing at the west border of Montana,
5 inches expected (from a customer driving heavy machinery
transport).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...une/ar-AAKUAiI


carry on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hoo...ht-2021-06-10/

https://news.yahoo.com/hoover-dam-re...100814715.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ir-drought-low

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

"In total, water from Lake Mead serves 18 million people in Arizona,
Nevada, and California and supplies the irrigation of over 1,000,000
acres (400,000 ha) of land."
Montana has 1.09 million residents total. Diminishing water from
Hoover Dam serves 18 million people. 18 to 1 ratio there. Area of
Montana is 147,040 square miles. 94 million acres. So Hoover only
irrigates a mere 1.064% of the area of the state of Montana.
But another Google search says the following
"and the lands these waters drain are all part of the "Colorado
River Basin." The rivers drain 242,000 square miles in the United
States, or one-twelfth of the country's continental land."
So Hoover drains 1.6 times the area of the state of Montana.

Your comments above say the 5 inches of snow is on the western
border of Montana. Going to the Sun road, pass, is over there.
Famous bike route. But the whole state of Montana did not get 5
inches of snow. Just the Going to the Sun road got 5 inches of snow.

We don't disagree.

I received the report from a trucker going that way, I
shared it, noting 'western border of Montana'.

Don't look now but it is SUMMER
It might be SUMMER in California but it's quite normal that remote
mountain passes above 6,400 feet altitude will not be snow-free until
mid-July. I've had a freak blizzard in the Alps bringing 3 in of snow in
late July/early August at those altitudes once (and Glacier National
Park is one 48 latutude compared to the 46 latitude of the Alps).

Oh, I'm quite aware of the weather in the alps. Andy Hampsten won the
Giro through a snow storm that caused most of his competition to drop out.

But the 3 years I spent in Moses Lake WA were surprisingly snowless in a
state that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA. Of course at
that point they are in the shadow of the Cascade mountains and most of
the moisture is dumped there pushing the weather systems very high not
to come down to rain again until Spokane.


An interesting statement as the official figure for annual rain fall
in Moses Lake seems to be 7.69 inches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Lake,_Washington
As opposed to the cities with the most precipitation
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...precipitation/

Your claim to having been in the Air Force is looking thinner and
thinner. You claim to have been on two bomb wings that never existed
and now you claim to have been stationed in a place that has "one of
the highest rainfalls in the USA" which in fact has one of the lowest.


John, you do appear to work hard to not understand what Tom is saying. Read
again in a STATE that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA.


Nope. Certainly he was in a state with high rain fall but in a city
that has extremely low rainfall. Perhaps I was being a bit optimistic
in thinking that very low rainfall would be associated, in some
manner, with lesser rates of snowfall.
--
Cheers,

John B.

  #39  
Old June 15th 21, 04:52 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ralph Barone[_4_]
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Posts: 853
Default LA News today

John B. wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 00:08:04 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:28:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 11.06.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Tom Kunich:
On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:05:54 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2021 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/10/2021 4:22 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 7:30:58 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/morning-news/techno...ve-richontech/


After thinking about what Lou said I suppose that the modern
generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a
viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to
change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it
out for a decade or two. Long enough to learn that man-made
climate change was nothing more than another tool of the left to
instill fear in the stupid people for mass control.

Once again Tom, you amaze us with your comments. I will restrain
from making any direct remarks about them.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.php
Above is a link to snow in Los Angeles. Andy's post above was about Los Angeles.

You wrote "I suppose that the modern generation is still young
enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of
transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their
minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two."

The above webpage on Los Angeles snow says the RECORD for one day
and one month is from January 1932. 89 years ago. Once a lifetime
event. 89 is well above the life expectancy in the USA. And they
got a whopping 2 inches that day in 1932. Where I live and where
Andy lives, bicyclists laugh at a measly pitiful pathetic 2 inches
of snow. It takes 2 feet to be a real concern.

I've been to Los Angeles several times. March was the coldest
month I visited. Brrrr. Went to Disneyland in shorts and t-shirt
on that trip. Guessing shorts and t-shirts would have been
appropriate for the entire winter season in Los Angeles.

On the above webpage for snow in Los Angeles they list all the
snow events in downtown Los Angeles since 1918. Its snowed in 15
years from 1918 to 1962. Mostly trace amounts. But some were
measurable. The table shown stops at 1962. I don't know if it has
never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles from 1962 to 2021, or
the webpage just stopped the table at 1962. But if its the former,
it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles since 1962, then
that would seem to support the factually supported theory that the
earth is warming. Thus no snow in downtown Los Angeles for 59
years. Most likely due to man caused actions.

I've been to San Francisco a couple times about two decades ago.
Summer time I think. So no winter experience with San Francisco.
But I'm guessing winter in San Francisco area is very mild to say
the lease. Cyclable on electric and regular bikes every day of the
year. Supposedly you live in Oakland, on the other side of the
Bay. Guessing winter weather in Oakland is the same as in San
Francisco. Cyclable all winter long. You have yet to amaze us with
your winter riding adventures in blizzards so I'm guessing it
doesn't snow in San Francisco area.

So we have determined that there is no winter in San Francisco,
Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego. Yet you wrote "It won't take too
many winters to change their minds."

in re Global Warming:

Today, 10 June, it's snowing at the west border of Montana,
5 inches expected (from a customer driving heavy machinery
transport).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...une/ar-AAKUAiI


carry on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hoo...ht-2021-06-10/

https://news.yahoo.com/hoover-dam-re...100814715.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ir-drought-low

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

"In total, water from Lake Mead serves 18 million people in Arizona,
Nevada, and California and supplies the irrigation of over 1,000,000
acres (400,000 ha) of land."
Montana has 1.09 million residents total. Diminishing water from
Hoover Dam serves 18 million people. 18 to 1 ratio there. Area of
Montana is 147,040 square miles. 94 million acres. So Hoover only
irrigates a mere 1.064% of the area of the state of Montana.
But another Google search says the following
"and the lands these waters drain are all part of the "Colorado
River Basin." The rivers drain 242,000 square miles in the United
States, or one-twelfth of the country's continental land."
So Hoover drains 1.6 times the area of the state of Montana.

Your comments above say the 5 inches of snow is on the western
border of Montana. Going to the Sun road, pass, is over there.
Famous bike route. But the whole state of Montana did not get 5
inches of snow. Just the Going to the Sun road got 5 inches of snow.

We don't disagree.

I received the report from a trucker going that way, I
shared it, noting 'western border of Montana'.

Don't look now but it is SUMMER
It might be SUMMER in California but it's quite normal that remote
mountain passes above 6,400 feet altitude will not be snow-free until
mid-July. I've had a freak blizzard in the Alps bringing 3 in of snow in
late July/early August at those altitudes once (and Glacier National
Park is one 48 latutude compared to the 46 latitude of the Alps).

Oh, I'm quite aware of the weather in the alps. Andy Hampsten won the
Giro through a snow storm that caused most of his competition to drop out.

But the 3 years I spent in Moses Lake WA were surprisingly snowless in a
state that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA. Of course at
that point they are in the shadow of the Cascade mountains and most of
the moisture is dumped there pushing the weather systems very high not
to come down to rain again until Spokane.

An interesting statement as the official figure for annual rain fall
in Moses Lake seems to be 7.69 inches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Lake,_Washington
As opposed to the cities with the most precipitation
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...precipitation/

Your claim to having been in the Air Force is looking thinner and
thinner. You claim to have been on two bomb wings that never existed
and now you claim to have been stationed in a place that has "one of
the highest rainfalls in the USA" which in fact has one of the lowest.


John, you do appear to work hard to not understand what Tom is saying. Read
again “in a STATE that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA.”


Nope. Certainly he was in a state with high rain fall but in a city
that has extremely low rainfall. Perhaps I was being a bit optimistic
in thinking that very low rainfall would be associated, in some
manner, with lesser rates of snowfall.


One more time. “the 3 years I spent in Moses Lake WA were surprisingly
snowless in a state that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA.”

So Tom claims to have been living in (at least during the winter) a dry
place that was situated inside of a larger place that is known for being
wet. If you can’t comprehend that sentence, I can’t help you.

  #40  
Old June 15th 21, 03:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
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Posts: 2,196
Default LA News today

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:52:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 3:28:54 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
Am 11.06.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Tom Kunich:
On Friday, June 11, 2021 at 1:05:54 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/11/2021 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 5:25:30 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/10/2021 4:22 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 10:12:32 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 7:30:58 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://ktla.com/morning-news/techno...ve-richontech/

After thinking about what Lou said I suppose that the modern generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two. Long enough to learn that man-made climate change was nothing more than another tool of the left to instill fear in the stupid people for mass control.

Once again Tom, you amaze us with your comments. I will restrain from making any direct remarks about them.

http://www.laalmanac.com/weather/we17.php
Above is a link to snow in Los Angeles. Andy's post above was about Los Angeles.

You wrote "I suppose that the modern generation is still young enough to think of electric bikes as a viable form of transportation. It won't take too many winters to change their minds about that but they will doubtless tough it out for a decade or two."

The above webpage on Los Angeles snow says the RECORD for one day and one month is from January 1932. 89 years ago. Once a lifetime event. 89 is well above the life expectancy in the USA. And they got a whopping 2 inches that day in 1932. Where I live and where Andy lives, bicyclists laugh at a measly pitiful pathetic 2 inches of snow. It takes 2 feet to be a real concern.

I've been to Los Angeles several times. March was the coldest month I visited. Brrrr. Went to Disneyland in shorts and t-shirt on that trip.. Guessing shorts and t-shirts would have been appropriate for the entire winter season in Los Angeles.

On the above webpage for snow in Los Angeles they list all the snow events in downtown Los Angeles since 1918. Its snowed in 15 years from 1918 to 1962. Mostly trace amounts. But some were measurable. The table shown stops at 1962. I don't know if it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles from 1962 to 2021, or the webpage just stopped the table at 1962. But if its the former, it has never ever snowed in downtown Los Angeles since 1962, then that would seem to support the factually supported theory that the earth is warming. Thus no snow in downtown Los Angeles for 59 years. Most likely due to man caused actions.

I've been to San Francisco a couple times about two decades ago. Summer time I think. So no winter experience with San Francisco. But I'm guessing winter in San Francisco area is very mild to say the lease. Cyclable on electric and regular bikes every day of the year. Supposedly you live in Oakland, on the other side of the Bay. Guessing winter weather in Oakland is the same as in San Francisco. Cyclable all winter long. You have yet to amaze us with your winter riding adventures in blizzards so I'm guessing it doesn't snow in San Francisco area.

So we have determined that there is no winter in San Francisco, Oakland, Los Angeles, San Diego. Yet you wrote "It won't take too many winters to change their minds."

in re Global Warming:

Today, 10 June, it's snowing at the west border of Montana,
5 inches expected (from a customer driving heavy machinery
transport).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...une/ar-AAKUAiI

carry on.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hoo...ht-2021-06-10/
https://news.yahoo.com/hoover-dam-re...100814715.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ir-drought-low

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

"In total, water from Lake Mead serves 18 million people in Arizona, Nevada, and California and supplies the irrigation of over 1,000,000 acres (400,000 ha) of land."
Montana has 1.09 million residents total. Diminishing water from Hoover Dam serves 18 million people. 18 to 1 ratio there. Area of Montana is 147,040 square miles. 94 million acres. So Hoover only irrigates a mere 1.064% of the area of the state of Montana.
But another Google search says the following
"and the lands these waters drain are all part of the "Colorado River Basin." The rivers drain 242,000 square miles in the United States, or one-twelfth of the country's continental land."
So Hoover drains 1.6 times the area of the state of Montana.

Your comments above say the 5 inches of snow is on the western border of Montana. Going to the Sun road, pass, is over there. Famous bike route. But the whole state of Montana did not get 5 inches of snow. Just the Going to the Sun road got 5 inches of snow.

We don't disagree.

I received the report from a trucker going that way, I
shared it, noting 'western border of Montana'.

Don't look now but it is SUMMER
It might be SUMMER in California but it's quite normal that remote
mountain passes above 6,400 feet altitude will not be snow-free until
mid-July. I've had a freak blizzard in the Alps bringing 3 in of snow in
late July/early August at those altitudes once (and Glacier National
Park is one 48 latutude compared to the 46 latitude of the Alps).


Oh, I'm quite aware of the weather in the alps. Andy Hampsten won the Giro through a snow storm that caused most of his competition to drop out.

But the 3 years I spent in Moses Lake WA were surprisingly snowless in a state that has one of the highest rainfalls in the USA. Of course at that point they are in the shadow of the Cascade mountains and most of the moisture is dumped there pushing the weather systems very high not to come down to rain again until Spokane.

An interesting statement as the official figure for annual rain fall
in Moses Lake seems to be 7.69 inches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Lake,_Washington
As opposed to the cities with the most precipitation
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...precipitation/

Your claim to having been in the Air Force is looking thinner and
thinner. You claim to have been on two bomb wings that never existed
and now you claim to have been stationed in a place that has "one of
the highest rainfalls in the USA" which in fact has one of the lowest.


John, I wonder that you actually think that what you think is of any interest to human beings in general and me in particular.
 




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