Mountain Biking Carnage

You pretended to disagree with me, then said just what I said!: Mountain bikers don't like to admit that they often end up DEAD. You CLAIM that it's due to "respect". If so, why do newspapers report deaths, but mountain bikers don't? Are all newspapers motivated by schadenfreude? The only possible conclusion is that mountain bikers aren't honest! And can't stand me telling the truth about their selfish, destructive, disgusting sport.

Do you actually bother to read what anyone else says ? It doesn't look like it.

I said we don't SHOW ... as in we don't publish videos where the accident results in death.

Mountain bikers readily admit, as I have in this thread, that in some cases people will get seriously injured or killed ... and they frequently publish obituaries too (see latest issue of Mountain Bike Rider). So, yet again, your claims have zero merit.

So, yet again, you have no 'truth' to tell. Only your biased, out-dated and fact-free bile to vent.

On Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:24:16 PM UTC-8, Blackblade wrote:
You pretended to disagree with me, then said just what I said!: Mountain bikers don't like to admit that they often end up DEAD. You CLAIM that it's due to "respect". If so, why do newspapers report deaths, but mountain bikers don't? Are all newspapers motivated by schadenfreude? The only possible conclusion is that mountain bikers aren't honest! And can't stand me telling the truth about their selfish, destructive, disgusting sport. Do you actually bother to read what anyone else says ? It doesn't look like it. I said we don't SHOW ... as in we don't publish videos where the accident results in death. Mountain bikers readily admit, as I have in this thread, that in some cases people will get seriously injured or killed ... and they frequently publish obituaries too (see latest issue of Mountain Bike Rider). So, yet again, your claims have zero merit. So, yet again, you have no 'truth' to tell. Only your biased, out-dated and fact-free bile to vent.

BS. Except for an EXTREMELY RARE obit, they never mention that mountain bikers frequently end up DEAD. TOT. SHINDE SHIMATTA. WORM FOOD (The Revenge of the Worms!).

BS. Except for an EXTREMELY RARE obit, they never mention that mountain bikers frequently end up DEAD. TOT. SHINDE SHIMATTA. WORM FOOD (The Revenge of the Worms!).

More statements with no back-up facts. As stated above, and backed up with statistics, hardly anyone ends up dead from Mountainbiking. It is extremely rare. That's why there are very rarely any obituaries in MTB magazines ... it hardly ever happens !

On Monday, January 7, 2013 2:46:20 AM UTC-8, Blackblade wrote:
BS. Except for an EXTREMELY RARE obit, they never mention that mountain bikers frequently end up DEAD. TOT. SHINDE SHIMATTA. WORM FOOD (The Revenge of the Worms!).



More statements with no back-up facts. As stated above, and backed up with statistics, hardly anyone ends up dead from Mountainbiking. It is extremely rare. That's why there are very rarely any obituaries in MTB magazines ... it hardly ever happens !

BS. The following file is FULL of reports of mountain biker deaths and serious accidents: http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mtb_dangerous.htm. Only the news media report them; mountain bikers ignore them.

BS. The following file is FULL of reports of mountain biker deaths and serious accidents: http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mtb_dangerous.htm. Only the news media report them; mountain bikers ignore them.

For a guy who has a PHd in statistics you sure seem foolish ! If millions of people ride every day and all you can find is a tiny handful of fatalities then what does that tell you about the likelihood of a fatality ???

More hikers die, more road cyclists die and an order of magnitude more people die, every day, of heart disease.

Troll.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 9:58:32 AM UTC-8, Blackblade wrote:
BS. The following file is FULL of reports of mountain biker deaths and serious accidents: http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mtb_dangerous.htm. Only the news media report them; mountain bikers ignore them. For a guy who has a PHd in statistics you sure seem foolish ! If millions of people ride every day and all you can find is a tiny handful of fatalities then what does that tell you about the likelihood of a fatality ??? More hikers die, more road cyclists die and an order of magnitude more people die, every day, of heart disease. Troll.

Idiot. I have a Ph.D. in Psychology, not statistics. Also an M.A. in math. Both trump your puny "education". You are using the wrong measure. It isn't the total NUMBER of deaths that is important, but the deaths PER HOUR of exercise. By that measure, it is obvious that mountain biking is more dangerous than any of the other things you measure, including hiking. Trying to ride a BICYCLE on a trail not designed for it (i.e., not smooth, wide, & straight) is inherently dangerous, and nothing you say will ever change that. For example, if you had actually read the file I listed, you would know that a 12-year-old girl DIED during her very first mountain biking lesson. How many hikers die on their very first hike??? How many drivers die the first day they drive a car??? The answer is obvious: ZERO. You should have given up long ago. All you are doing is digging yourself in deeper into your mountain of lies.

Idiot. I have a Ph.D. in Psychology, not statistics. Also an M.A. in math.. Both trump your puny "education". You are using the wrong measure. It isn't the total NUMBER of deaths that is important, but the deaths PER HOUR of exercise. By that measure, it is obvious that mountain biking is more dangerous than any of the other things you measure, including hiking. Trying to ride a BICYCLE on a trail not designed for it (i.e., not smooth, wide, & straight) is inherently dangerous, and nothing you say will ever change that.. For example, if you had actually read the file I listed, you would know that a 12-year-old girl DIED during her very first mountain biking lesson. How many hikers die on their very first hike??? How many drivers die the first day they drive a car??? The answer is obvious: ZERO. You should have given up long ago. All you are doing is digging yourself in deeper into your mountain of lies.

I seem to recall that your PhD in psychology was actually a statistical exercise in taste preferences and other psychometrics ? You also state that you have a masters in statistics on your own page ! As to my education, about which you know nothing, I am a postgraduate from a better university than yours ! You are mighty quick to make assumptions.

You have provided zero method for your assessment; simply a bald assertion. I've looked for the detailed statistics and, probably because there are so few occurrences, I can't find them. Go ahead and be my guest ... find some real statistics, not your own creations. Your statement is therefore without the slightest merit … bereft some real data. Hardly anyone dies from Mountainbiking – and I provided statistics to back up that statement. If you want to assert something else then prove it … provide the data.

Nobody ever died on their first day driving a car, nobody ever died on their first hike ???? How do you know that ? You don’t. Given the statistical likelihood I will bet you that both of those occurrences have occurred..

Road traffic accident figures are orders of magnitude higher than mountainbiking. But, you know what, if you aren’t completely dishonest regarding your qualifications you know all this. You know that the statistics don’t back you up … which is why you cite single examples which, in isolation, prove precisely nothing. A single case, amongst tens of millions (in the US alone) is not statistically significant. Your arguments are those of the mathematically inept not a PhD.

On Friday, January 11, 2013 4:51:51 AM UTC-8, Blackblade wrote:
Idiot. I have a Ph.D. in Psychology, not statistics. Also an M.A. in math. Both trump your puny "education". You are using the wrong measure. It isn't the total NUMBER of deaths that is important, but the deaths PER HOUR of exercise. By that measure, it is obvious that mountain biking is more dangerous than any of the other things you measure, including hiking. Trying to ride a BICYCLE on a trail not designed for it (i.e., not smooth, wide, & straight) is inherently dangerous, and nothing you say will ever change that. For example, if you had actually read the file I listed, you would know that a 12-year-old girl DIED during her very first mountain biking lesson. How many hikers die on their very first hike??? How many drivers die the first day they drive a car??? The answer is obvious: ZERO. You should have given up long ago. All you are doing is digging yourself in deeper into your mountain of lies. I seem to recall that your PhD in psychology was actually a statistical exercise in taste preferences and other psychometrics ?

No, it wasn't. But I wouldn't expect a dunce line you to distinguish between psychometrics and statistics, since both words have more than one syl-la-ble.

You also state that you have a masters in statistics on your own page !

No, I don't. I have a masters in MATHEMATICS. But, again, I know you can't handle words with more than one syl-la-ble.

As to my education, about which you know nothing, I am a postgraduate from a better university than yours !

BS. If it were true, you would have NAMED it. Besides, there's no better university than Berkelery & Harvard.

You are mighty quick to make assumptions. You have provided zero method for your assessment; simply a bald assertion. I've looked for the detailed statistics and, probably because there are so few occurrences, I can't find them. Go ahead and be my guest ... find some real statistics, not your own creations. Your statement is therefore without the slightest merit … bereft some real data. Hardly anyone dies from Mountainbiking –

That'sa lie, as you well know. I already listed many deaths from mountain biking: http://mjvande.nfshost.com/mtb_dangerous.htm.

and I provided statistics to back up that statement.

Not relevant ones.

If you want to assert something else then prove it … provide the data. Nobody ever died on their first day driving a car, nobody ever died on their first hike ???? How do you know that ? You don’t. Given the statistical likelihood I will bet you that both of those occurrences have occurred. Road traffic accident figures are orders of magnitude higher than mountainbiking.

BS. The correct measure isn't the total # of accidents, but accidents per hour of driving/biking. Mountain biking is obviously the more dangerous activity.

But, you know what, if you aren’t completely dishonest regarding your qualifications you know all this. You know that the statistics don’t back you up … which is why you cite single examples which, in isolation, prove precisely nothing. A single case, amongst tens of millions (in the US alone) is not statistically significant. Your arguments are those of the mathematically inept not a PhD.

If you had any sense, which you obviously don't, you would admit that I'm right. If you think you are right tell me again about my masters in statistics! IDIOT.

On 1/11/2013 10:36 PM, Convicted Criminal Mike Vandeman wrote:
BS. If it were true, you would have NAMED it. Besides, there's no better university than Berkelery & Harvard.

I can find no "University of Berkelery & Harvard".

P.S. The correct spelling is Berkeley*.

*http://www.berkeley.edu/index.html

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Tom $herman

If you had any sense, which you obviously don't, you would admit that I'm right. If you think you are right tell me again about my masters in statistics! IDIOT.

You really are getting desperate aren't you ? Either that, or you have forgotten what you have previously written. I suppose that much ordure must affect the brain !

From your own website "I have an M.A. in Mathematics (including study in Statistics) from Harvard University."

So, stop equivocating and address the fundamental issue; you, who claim to know statistics, are observing a very rare occurrence of death for an activity which is daily engaged in by tens of millions. You can try and obfuscate all you like but you know that this means that the likelihood of such an events is incredibly low. Of course, it's not zero so there will be some deaths ... but, critically, far less than die from many many other factors.

And, PS, Harvard is only ranked fourth in the world ...http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...ties-2012#data