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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1785239.html The independent discusses cycle lanes LN -- Never knowingly understood |
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lardyninja wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1785239.html The independent discusses cycle lanes Comparing two passages in that article: " Teams at Leeds and Bolton universities, supported by CTC, the national cyclists' organisation, put a camera on the back of a bike being ridden along three roads in the north of England. Analysis of the footage revealed that drivers gave up to 18cm (seven inches) more space to cyclists on stretches without cycle lanes. The findings question the perceived wisdom that slapping down strips of green paint and white lines makes riding safer." and " Can lanes be effective? Only when they're properly built and in the right places. Government standards require cycle lanes to be two metres wide, with a minimum width of 1.5 metres. But all the lanes used in the latest research fell short - and CTC believes that the same is true of the "vast majority" of Britain's bike lanes." might lead one to conclude that the study does not prove that cycle lanes in general are dangerous but rather that a poor implementation (ie narrow lanes) is the problem. -- Geoff |
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"lardyninja" wrote in message ... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1785239.html The independent discusses cycle lanes The Indie seems highly confused by the subject, not even being sure whether or not a cycle track is a lane or not. Assuming we are talking about lanes, in the sense of things formed by a line painted on the roadway, it's not true that they have been around nearly as long as bikes. Modern lanes stem form the lanes first invented in Davis, California, in 1967, as a compromise between the influx of bike riding students at the new university campus, and the anti-bike rural locals, who wanted bikes banned from the roads altogether Jeremy Parker |
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"GeoffC" [snip} The independent discusses cycle lanes [snip] [It] might lead one to conclude that the study does not prove that cycle lanes in general are dangerous but rather that a poor implementation (ie narrow lanes) is the problem. Well, dabbing some paint onto a road doesn't make that road any wider, which might be why adding an extra lane into the existing space often results in a lane that is too narrow. This study does seem to agree with the Warrington Cyclists study of a year or two ago, and with studies in Florida and California. There are things that the study didn't investigate: 1. The "gun barrel effect" as American traffic engineers have called it: Do bike lanes encourage cars to drive faster? 2. The effect of bike lanes at intersections. Do bike lanes encourage cyclists to kill themselves by getting inside left turning lorries, or making strange right hand turns 3. How often are bike lanes blocked by, for example, cars nosing out of driveways, or cars (or buses) stopping to drop people off or pick them up Jeremy Parker |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:05:35 +0100, lardyninja
wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1785239.html The independent discusses cycle lanes "Analysis of the footage revealed that drivers gave up to 18cm (seven inches) more space to cyclists on stretches without cycle lanes". That would be a certain collision then, since a lot of drivers don't give much more room than this. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. [Reply-to address valid until it is spammed.] |
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Mark wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:05:35 +0100, lardyninja wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1785239.html The independent discusses cycle lanes "Analysis of the footage revealed that drivers gave up to 18cm (seven inches) more space to cyclists on stretches without cycle lanes". That would be a certain collision then, since a lot of drivers don't give much more room than this. Seven inches? -- I bet they thought it was much bigger than that. -- Come to Dave & Boris - your cycle security experts. |
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:47:21 +0100, Keitht KeithT wrote:
Mark wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:05:35 +0100, lardyninja wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1785239.html The independent discusses cycle lanes "Analysis of the footage revealed that drivers gave up to 18cm (seven inches) more space to cyclists on stretches without cycle lanes". That would be a certain collision then, since a lot of drivers don't give much more room than this. Seven inches? -- I bet they thought it was much bigger than that. I don't detect any sign of intelligent thought in this behaviour. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. [Reply-to address valid until it is spammed.] |
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Keitht wrote:
Mark wrote: On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:05:35 +0100, lardyninja wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1785239.html The independent discusses cycle lanes "Analysis of the footage revealed that drivers gave up to 18cm (seven inches) more space to cyclists on stretches without cycle lanes". That would be a certain collision then, since a lot of drivers don't give much more room than this. Seven inches? -- I bet they thought it was much bigger than that. Only the females. |
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Phil W Lee wrote:
In a recent discussion, no member of the Cambridge Cycling Campaign was able to find a single cycle lane within the city that even met the MINIMUM width of 1.5 metres, never mind the standard of 2 metres. You are remembering incorrectly. Many of the lanes I measured were indeed under that width, and there definitely aren't any of 2 metres, but I found more than one place that was 1.7m wide. -- http://lnr.livejournal.com/ |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:23:26 +0100, Phil W Lee
phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote: snip In a recent discussion, no member of the Cambridge Cycling Campaign was able to find a single cycle lane within the city that even met the MINIMUM width of 1.5 metres, never mind the standard of 2 metres. You are pathetic - I recall this being stated and refuted previously - I think in the cambridge transport group. You will shortly be telling us that 3,000 pedestrians die every year as they trip on the pavement - despite this also being pointed out as another one of your favourite lies. (PS What "standard" of 2m?) -- The BMA (British Medical Association) urges legislation to make the wearing of cycle helmets compulsory for both adults and children. The evidence from those countries where compulsory cycle helmet use has already been introduced is that such legislation has a beneficial effect on cycle-related deaths and head injuries. This strongly supports the case for introducing legislation in the UK. Such legislation should result in a reduction in the morbidity and mortality associated with cycling accidents. |
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