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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
"thirty-six" wrote in message
... On 9 Feb, 21:30, David Green wrote: The details of the next Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop I will This is a practical course where you learn how to assemble and true strong and durable bicycle wheels. You will learn to build ’standard’ (36 spoke cross-3) wheels using proven wheel building techniques based on sound principles. Places are restricted to ensure a high teacher-student ratio. £75 for a cup of tea of which the mug needs to bring his own student, a sham. Brandt's book is not accepted, it's a sham. He makes grave errors which encourage the reader to build an inadequate and dangerous wheel with a poor expected lifespan (wheel or rider). Basing a practical course on this peicew of fiction is downright dangerous. I advise anybody foolhardy enough to accept tutoring by David Green, to etch his name on their wheel so that he may be persued for damages in the event of your death due to wheel collapse. === Any links, references, etc for this bit: 'Brandt's book is not accepted, it's a sham. He makes grave errors which encourage the reader to build an inadequate and dangerous wheel with a poor expected lifespan (wheel or rider). ' This link says his book is the definitve text. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/ This one says it's a classic: http://www.myra-simon.com/bike/bwheel-rev.html Is it not about the wheel?;-) -- A wheel-builder. |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On 10 Feb, 10:50, "A.Dazzle" wrote:
"thirty-six" wrote in message ... On 9 Feb, 21:30, David Green wrote: The details of the next Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop I will This is a practical course where you learn how to assemble and true strong and durable bicycle wheels. You will learn to build ’standard’ (36 spoke cross-3) wheels using proven wheel building techniques based on sound principles. Places are restricted to ensure a high teacher-student ratio. £75 for a cup of tea of which the mug needs to bring his own student, a sham. *Brandt's book is not accepted, it's a sham. *He makes grave errors which encourage the reader to build an inadequate and dangerous wheel with a poor expected lifespan (wheel or rider). *Basing a practical course on this peicew of fiction is downright dangerous. *I advise anybody foolhardy enough to accept tutoring by David Green, to etch his name on their wheel so that he may be persued for damages in the event of your death due to wheel collapse. === Any links, references, etc for this bit: 'Brandt's book is not accepted, it's a sham. *He makes grave errors which encourage the reader to build an inadequate and dangerous wheel with a poor expected lifespan (wheel or rider). ' This link says his book is the definitve text.http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/ This one says it's a classic:http://www.myra-simon.com/bike/bwheel-rev.html Is it not about the wheel?;-) No, it's about JB's ego. |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:50:03 -0000, A.Dazzle wrote:
"thirty-six" wrote in message ... On 9 Feb, 21:30, David Green wrote: This is a practical course where you learn how to assemble and true strong and durable bicycle wheels. You will learn to build ’standard’ (36 spoke cross-3) wheels using proven wheel building techniques based on sound principles. Places are restricted to ensure a high teacher-student ratio. £75 for a cup of tea of which the mug needs to bring his own student, a sham. Brandt's book is not accepted, it's a sham. He makes grave errors which encourage the reader to build an inadequate and dangerous wheel with a poor expected lifespan (wheel or rider). Basing a practical course on this peicew of fiction is downright dangerous. I advise anybody foolhardy enough to accept tutoring by David Green, to etch his name on their wheel so that he may be persued for damages in the event of your death due to wheel collapse. Any links, references, etc for this bit: 'Brandt's book is not accepted, it's a sham. He makes grave errors which encourage the reader to build an inadequate and dangerous wheel with a poor expected lifespan (wheel or rider). ' No, there aren't. The book is the definitive classic text on the subject, and countless wheels have been built by the methods described. By 'not accepted', 36 means 'neat accepted by 36'. 36 is a tied-and-soldered nut. I think the most likely background is that 36 built a wheel and it was a decidedly shoddy job. Rather than concluding that he cocked it up, he decided that the instructions must be at fault. The fact that countless other people have built wheels following the methods in that book simply proves how wrong they are (or something). 36 and 36 alone knows how to build proper wheels - everyone else is simply an accident waiting to happen. I follow the methods set out by Jobst Brandt. The first wheel I built, I needed to give it a minor true after a couple of months use. The other wheels I've built have never seen a spoke-key since the day they were built, and all are still true. Some have had decades of use at thousands of miles a year (those with hub braking - generally rims wear out sooner than that). Not one wheel built by me has ever collapsed. As to the course - I learn best from books and self-propelled trial-and-error. Some people learn best from example and being taught. I think I've only heard one comment about these workshops and that was glowingly positive regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On 10 Feb, 15:48, Ian Smith wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:50:03 -0000, A.Dazzle wrote: *"thirty-six" wrote in message ... *On 9 Feb, 21:30, David Green wrote: This is a practical course where you learn how to assemble and true strong and durable bicycle wheels. You will learn to build standard (36 spoke cross-3) wheels using proven wheel building techniques based on sound principles. Places are restricted to ensure a high teacher-student ratio. 75 for a cup of tea of which the mug needs to bring his own student, a sham. *Brandt's book is not accepted, it's a sham. *He makes grave errors which encourage the reader to build an inadequate and dangerous wheel with a poor expected lifespan (wheel or rider). *Basing a practical course on this peicew of fiction is downright dangerous. *I advise anybody foolhardy enough to accept tutoring by David Green, to etch his name on their wheel so that he may be persued for damages in the event of your death due to wheel collapse. *Any links, references, etc for this bit: *'Brandt's book is not accepted, it's a sham. *He makes grave *errors which encourage the reader to build an inadequate and dangerous *wheel with a poor expected lifespan (wheel or rider). ' No, there aren't. *The book is the definitive classic text on the subject, and countless wheels have been built by the methods described. *By 'not accepted', 36 means 'neat accepted by 36'. * 36 is a tied-and-soldered nut. *I think the most likely Your thoughts are irrelevant, you belong to the church of Brandt. An FEA nut whose model does not recreate the Palmer style wheel in common use today. Real world analysis does not hypothesize on a model which is unfit for use. Radial spoked wheels went out with the ark. Dont encourage their use, for they are inferior. background is that 36 built a wheel and it was a decidedly shoddy job. *Rather than concluding that he cocked it up, he decided that the instructions must be at fault. *The fact that countless other people have built wheels following the methods in that book simply proves how wrong they are (or something). *36 and 36 alone knows how to build proper wheels - everyone else is simply an accident waiting to happen. I follow the methods set out by Jobst Brandt. *The first wheel I built, I needed to give it a minor true after a couple of months use. * The other wheels I've built have never seen a spoke-key since the day they were built, and all are still true. *Some have had decades of use at thousands of miles a year (those with hub braking - generally rims wear out sooner than that). *Not one wheel built by me has ever collapsed. As to the course - I learn best from books and self-propelled trial-and-error. *Some people learn best from example and being taught. *I think I've only heard one comment about these workshops and that was glowingly positive regards, * Ian SMith -- * |\ /| * * *no .sig * |o o| * |/ \| |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:14:24 -0800 (PST), 36 wrote:
Radial spoked wheels went out with the ark. Dont encourage their use, for they are inferior. See - he's a fruitcase. So far as I recall, I have never advocated or encouraged use of radial wheels, but none-the-less 36 sees fit to criticise me for doing so. He inhabits an alternate reality. -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On 10 Feb, 18:49, Ian Smith wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:14:24 -0800 (PST), 36 wrote: *Radial spoked wheels went out with the ark. *Dont *encourage their use, for they are inferior. See - he's a fruitcase. * So far as I recall, I have never advocated or encouraged use of radial wheels, but none-the-less 36 sees fit to criticise me for doing so. He inhabits an alternate reality. So why do a FEA on a radially spoked wheel, when a tangentially spoked wheel with interlacing is the usual bicycle wheel. The contact or binfding of the spokes nearest the rim is significant to the the wheel structure as it provides additional support to the hub. This is the real world, this is why interlaced and tied and soldered wheels ride better and are tougher. |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On 10 Feb, 19:07, thirty-six wrote:
On 10 Feb, 18:49, Ian Smith wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:14:24 -0800 (PST), 36 wrote: *Radial spoked wheels went out with the ark. *Dont *encourage their use, for they are inferior. See - he's a fruitcase. * So far as I recall, I have never advocated or encouraged use of radial wheels, but none-the-less 36 sees fit to criticise me for doing so. He inhabits an alternate reality. So why do a FEA on a radially spoked wheel, when a tangentially spoked wheel with interlacing is the usual bicycle wheel? The contact or binding of the spokes nearest the rim is significant to the the wheel structure as it provides additional support to the hub. *This is the real world, this is why interlaced and tied and soldered wheels ride better and are tougher. |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, thirty-six wrote:
On 10 Feb, 18:49, Ian Smith wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:14:24 -0800 (PST), 36 wrote: *Radial spoked wheels went out with the ark. *Dont *encourage their use, for they are inferior. See - he's a fruitcase. * So far as I recall, I have never advocated or encouraged use of radial wheels, but none-the-less 36 sees fit to criticise me for doing so. So why do a FEA on a radially spoked wheel, To demonstrate, as my web page clearly states, that there is no good reason to use a radially spoked wheel - "the spoking is unlikely to make a discernible difference to the vertical stiffness of the wheel". Do you really think admitting the existence of something is encouraging and endorsing it? Rape, murder and child abuse exist, but acknowledging that they exist is not endorsing or encouraging them. -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On 10 Feb, 20:26, Ian Smith wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010, thirty-six wrote: *On 10 Feb, 18:49, Ian Smith wrote: On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:14:24 -0800 (PST), 36 wrote: *Radial spoked wheels went out with the ark. *Dont *encourage their use, for they are inferior. See - he's a fruitcase. * So far as I recall, I have never advocated or encouraged use of radial wheels, but none-the-less 36 sees fit to criticise me for doing so. *So why do a FEA on a radially spoked wheel, To demonstrate, as my web page clearly states, that there is no good reason to use a radially spoked wheel - "the spoking is unlikely to make a discernible difference to the vertical stiffness of the wheel". I've just checked, your description of your FEA does not include any restraint between two crossing spokes. It appears your mistake is that you modelled a tangentially spoked wheel without interlace. The spokes freely passed each other because you thought it irrelevant. Your apparent motive was to 'prove' your case on the terminology used to describe a wheel's method of support. The omission of such an important feature of a tangentially spoked wheel clearly shows ignorance of the wheel by you. GIGO Do you really think admitting the existence of something is encouraging and endorsing it? *Rape, murder and child abuse exist, but acknowledging that they exist is not endorsing or encouraging them. -- * |\ /| * * *no .sig * |o o| * |/ \| |
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Bicycle Wheel Building Workshop - Cambridge - 6 Mar 2010
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:49:25 +0000 (UTC), Ian Smith
wrote: See - he's a fruitcase. As a quick look at the rec.bicycles.tech archives over the past few months will confirm. |
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