Cyclist killed on my route tonight

Frank Krygowski schreef op 3-9-2014 20:15:
On 9/3/2014 12:58 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:01:26 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Another challenge can be city riding with others, even just a couple
others. I enjoy exploring cities by bike, but unless motor vehicle
traffic is very low, it can be tricky doing it with even a few friends.

Any left turn in traffic, for example, involves personal judgment about
when the gap in oncoming traffic is sufficient; and part of that depends
on how ready the rider is - i.e. stopped and standing? or clipped in and
barely moving? or riding at speed? In a group, one often has a mix of
readiness.

Then there's the problem of getting the entire group through an
intersection before a light turns red. I've seen riders blatantly crash
a red light because they're afraid of losing their buddies.

All of these problems can be handled, but they do add complexity.

Often I set the route we ride. My routes avoid cities and towns as
much as possible.
Explore cities with a group on a bike? That is asking for trouble.

I wouldn't say it's asking for trouble. It just requires more care than
a ride on empty rural roads. When I lead such group rides, I do put
thought into the route, and I'll usually avoid the busiest roads.

Over the years, I've led quite a few rides to various local ethnic
restaurants. The riders never know the route ahead of time, nor what
type of restaurant we'll visit until we get there. In almost all cases,
the restaurants are in cities or towns where there is significant
traffic - otherwise, they'd go out of business! But we've always done
well.

That kind of rides I don't do because it is fun, only because it is more
practical than by car, at least in my case. Cycling in busy cities suck
everywhere.

BTW, I'm surprised at your worry. I thought everything was supposed to
be wonderful for cycling over there.

I'm not worried and it is wonderful compared to the USA (except for the
scenery) and even compared to Germany a few km to east where I live or
25 km to the south west in Belgium. Like I said riding in cities suck
everwhere but we here are spoiled. Quite some people at work come from
India, China and they love cycling here. Even in the cities and town
centers. Go figure.

Lou

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:09:43 PM UTC+1, Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:

In my cycling research over the years I've found a few other breakable bones [in addition to the collarbone].

Wrist comes to mind when trying to block a fall. But I see what he means.

Both my little fingers have broken top joints.

Andre Jute

On 9/3/2014 4:40 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:09:43 PM UTC+1, Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:

In my cycling research over the years I've found a few other breakable bones [in addition to the collarbone].

Wrist comes to mind when trying to block a fall. But I see what he means.

Both my little fingers have broken top joints.

Andre Jute


Punch the guy square on next time. Your first three fingers
are tougher.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:09:43 PM UTC+1, Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:

In my cycling research over the years I've found a few other breakable
bones [in addition to the collarbone].

Wrist comes to mind when trying to block a fall. But I see what he means.

Both my little fingers have broken top joints.


When I separated my shoulder I remember having my arm out to break the fall
and consciously tucking it. Probably a remnant from football (American
football) training as a kid. Except then I was supposed to tuck and roll.
Lol. I guess the shoulder damage was better than broken wrist.


--
duane

In article , AMuzi
wrote:

On 9/3/2014 9:09 AM, John White wrote:
In article
,
Duane wrote:

A good friend just fell a couple weeks ago breaking her collar bone
and some ribs. 4th collar bone this season.

I'm convinced that the collar bone is nature's shear pin, for cyclists
at least.


In my cycling research over the years I've found a few
other breakable bones.

Do you know what a shear pin is?

On 9/3/2014 7:06 PM, John White wrote:
In article , AMuzi
wrote:

On 9/3/2014 9:09 AM, John White wrote:
In article
,
Duane wrote:

A good friend just fell a couple weeks ago breaking her collar bone
and some ribs. 4th collar bone this season.

I'm convinced that the collar bone is nature's shear pin, for cyclists
at least.


In my cycling research over the years I've found a few
other breakable bones.

Do you know what a shear pin is?


Yep.
My machine stopped in every case before fatal damage to the
CPU or the coolant pump.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

ALL THESE YEARS riding n you haven't mastered the skill of stepping off ?

but cheaper than the Vomit Comet

place a chair drapped with cloth or ? on the lawn, run to it and head first dive over n roll body as you contact ground.

video from Frank & Co ?

ripe for a video....Chris C ?

On 04/09/14 04:15, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/3/2014 12:58 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:01:26 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:

Another challenge can be city riding with others, even just a couple
others. I enjoy exploring cities by bike, but unless motor vehicle
traffic is very low, it can be tricky doing it with even a few friends.

Any left turn in traffic, for example, involves personal judgment about
when the gap in oncoming traffic is sufficient; and part of that depends
on how ready the rider is - i.e. stopped and standing? or clipped in and
barely moving? or riding at speed? In a group, one often has a mix of
readiness.

Then there's the problem of getting the entire group through an
intersection before a light turns red. I've seen riders blatantly crash
a red light because they're afraid of losing their buddies.

All of these problems can be handled, but they do add complexity.

Often I set the route we ride. My routes avoid cities and towns as
much as possible.
Explore cities with a group on a bike? That is asking for trouble.

I wouldn't say it's asking for trouble. It just requires more care than
a ride on empty rural roads. When I lead such group rides, I do put
thought into the route, and I'll usually avoid the busiest roads.

Over the years, I've led quite a few rides to various local ethnic
restaurants. The riders never know the route ahead of time, nor what
type of restaurant we'll visit until we get there. In almost all cases,
the restaurants are in cities or towns where there is significant
traffic - otherwise, they'd go out of business! But we've always done
well.

BTW, I'm surprised at your worry. I thought everything was supposed to
be wonderful for cycling over there.


My experience has been that the most important thing is communication,
and for the ride leader to be good at anticipating traffic and planning
ahead - like when to start moving the group toward the centre of the
road to make a turn.

--
JS

On 04/09/14 07:55, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/3/2014 4:40 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:09:43 PM UTC+1, Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:

In my cycling research over the years I've found a few other
breakable bones [in addition to the collarbone].

Wrist comes to mind when trying to block a fall. But I see what he
means.

Both my little fingers have broken top joints.

Andre Jute


Punch the guy square on next time. Your first three fingers are tougher.



;-)

Same goes for punching cars.

Incidentally, my right knee has shown to be a useful device for denting
cars, and it didn't hurt - twice.

--
JS

ahhhh

howbout setting this to music...such as it is...

we had an accident at 10th + Billbee

Teddy was crashed willy nilly

Granny's back wheel

sent Teddy into the steel

and a dump truck crushed his head into mush
.......

chorus !

mush mush Teddy was mush

the road was covered with cranberry slush

.....


helps get the correct perspective