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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
Hi All, I've re-written sections of the unicycle trials rules and posted a new draft version at www.krisholm.com/freetrials There is also a link to a photo library of previously built trials sections at that URL, or it can be seen directly at www.krisholm.com/sections Hopefully the sections photos will be helpful for people designing sections for new comps. Anybody with good, detailed photos of cool sections, let me know and I'll add them. Basically the rules have been re-written to make it simpler and easier to organize and participate in unitrials comps. These are the main changes: 1. The method for awarding points to riders has been simplified. There is no longer a requirement to assign difficulty ratings and point values to sections. Each section is worth a single point, and the rider who completes the most number of sections wins. The reason for this change is that the order of finishers will always be the same irrespective of the point values of sections, because the winning rider will always do the most number of sections. This means that it doesn't matter how many points a section is worth, making section points irrelevant. 2) I do still think it is important to rate the difficulty of sections, so that competitors can quickly decide which sections they want to try. Besides the U-system, I have added a alternative, simplified way to do this that's based on the difficulty symbols at ski areas. 3) The Guidelines for Course Setters section has also been expanded and revised- hopefully this will be helpful as well. When I finish it I'll post a set of generic "freetrials" rules for both bikes and unicycles, because ultimately I think it would be great if both biketrials and unitrials communities worked together to do some of the bigger events. Cheers, Kris Holm -- danger_uni - Kris Holm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ danger_uni's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/21 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
danger_uni wrote: * photo library of previously built trials sections can be seen directly at www.krisholm.com/sections Hopefully the sections photos will be helpful for people designing sections for new comps. * Nice photos! Perhaps captions with a description of the section and its U-system rating would make them even more useful. Just my 2c. danger_uni wrote: * the winning rider will always do the most number of sections. . * Not necessarily true! In a competition with a small number of sections a rider could concentrate on a few, high value sections and still win under the U-system ratings. -- TonyMelton - He's the tucky! See some photos of the first 'NZ MUni Weekend' (http://gallery.unicyclist.com/NZ-MUni-Weekend-2004) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TonyMelton's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/2118 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
Thanks a lot, particularly for the index of photos. A link to the index will be a great addition to www.unicycle.2ya.com (for the 'Obstacle Building' section). I have some photos of some great sections from bike trials competitions here in Australia. I'm just trying to find where I put them. What's the best way of getting them to you? Email or this thread? Thanks a lot, Andrew -- andrew_carter - Quit jivin' me, turkey! HTTP://WWW.UNICYCLIST.COM/GALLERY/ANDREW andrew_carter (at) mail (dot) com http://www.unicycles.com.au Unicycling Tips and Tutorials - http://www.unicycle.2ya.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ andrew_carter's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/1052 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
The rules look really well thought out. I especially like the part about rock-paper-scissors (or equivalent) being used in the event of a tie. What, exactly, is the equivalent of rock-paper-scissors? -mg -- mgrant - Ever hoping for the best! The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older, shorter of breath, and one day closer to death. michael_j_grant (at) yahoo (dot) com Gallery: http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/Michael_Grant/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mgrant's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/440 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
andrew_carter wrote: *Thanks a lot, particularly for the index of photos. A link to the index will be a great addition to www.unicycle.2ya.com (for the 'Obstacle Building' section). I have some photos of some great sections from bike trials competitions here in Australia. I'm just trying to find where I put them. What's the best way of getting them to you? Email or this thread? Thanks a lot, Andrew Edit* - I found one photo (the one with the ladder). This was really fun and challenging because the rungs were too widely spaced to wedge the tyre between them (but perfectly spaced for the bikes of coruse ). I was forced to hop on the tops. http://tinyurl.com/46v5z I have more photos somewhere. If you have a lot of photos, the best is to post them somewhere. If it's only one or two, then email them to me at -- danger_uni - Kris Holm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ danger_uni's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/21 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
TonyMelton wrote: * Nice photos! Perhaps captions with a description of the section and its U-system rating would make them even more useful. Just my 2c. Not necessarily true! In a competition with a small number of sections a rider could concentrate on a few, high value sections and still win under the U-system ratings. * I'll try to include a caption with at least the location, hopefully the U-rating if I know what it was or can guess at it. You are right that a theoretically, a rider could concentrate on a few, high-value sections and still win. This was one reason that the point values were in there. The other reason was that theoretically a rider could accumulate a large number of low-point sections and win over a person who did fewer high point sections. This second scenario could happen if there were too many sections for a rider to reasonably do in the time allotted. However, in actuality neither scenario seems to happen. I've never seen an event where the organizer has managed to make so many sections that you couldn't do them in 3 hours- you'd need to build/set over 50 sections and even then, I'd be tempted to just extend the competition time so people had the opportunity to try everything. Usually it's the opposite problem- it's hard to make enough sections. Also, in every event I've been too it has been close enough that you had to do all sections including the easy ones if you wanted to do well. Even regardless of this, the majority of riders seem to want to do all the sections they can do easily, plus as many as possible that they have trouble with. Eliminating the point values also eliminates the last bit of subjectivity to the comps. This is important because with point values assigned, it's possible that the best rider doesn't win if the point values were incorrectly assigned to sections. For example, say the organizer was great at hopping and bad at balance lines, and consequently gave hopping lines low points (ie felt they were easy) and balance lines high points. That would mean that riders who were biased in the opposite direction (bad at hopping, good at balance lines) would have an advantage in terms of collecting points. Making everything equal eliminates this possibility. Kris -- danger_uni - Kris Holm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ danger_uni's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/21 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
i totaly agree with the simple idea of most sections ridden. at the comp's i've been to, typicaly only a couple of riders are able to complete all sections. plus, since all the nethods are unsatisfactory in some way then the easiest should be used. however, it would be worth having a thread on the u-value of sections so that it becomes a solid consensus system. i find it super useful. a ski hill type system would be too little information. however, i'm talking as an ex-climber. as long as there continues to be comps and great energy at them. john -- unigeee - Hmmmmm! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ unigeee's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/5397 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
unigeee wrote: *i totaly agree with the simple idea of most sections ridden. at the comp's i've been to, typicaly only a couple of riders are able to complete all sections. plus, since all the nethods are unsatisfactory in some way then the easiest should be used. however, it would be worth having a thread on the u-value of sections so that it becomes a solid consensus system. i find it super useful. a ski hill type system would be too little information. however, i'm talking as an ex-climber. as long as there continues to be comps and great energy at them. john * OK, then everyone interested in contributing to establishing a solid U-system please download the revised unitrials rules at www.krisholm.com/freetrials and check out Section 15 (Guidelines for Assigning Difficulty Ratings to Sections). It's a lot harder to establish a solid consensus system for unitrials compared to climbing, mainly because climbing routes and boulder problems are permanent features, often described and listed in a guidebook, whereas most trials obstacles are temporary and usually never repeated except for other riders in the local area. In the current U-system table, I attempted to provide general descriptions of minimum difficulty at each level, plus a few example obstacles. This isn't a complete list and there's definately room for improvement. The idea is not to make a comprehensive list, just a selection of challenges familiar to all riders, that can be used to get a "feeling" for difficulty at each grade. Keep in mind that this is NOT a system for MUni except possibly if you wanted to rate short, trials-oriented sections of trail. For people familiar with climbing, it's not even a good comparison to climbing grades, but does parallel bouldering grades. Also keep in mind that the difficulty of the easiest rating, U0, is still fairly hard (ie it's not complete beginner level), because it's very difficult to define obstacles once they drop below a minimum threshold of difficulty. In bouldering, the easiest bouldering rating is still moderately hard by roped climbing standards. The simplified "ski area" method is intended for people who don't want or need to quantify difficulty to the nth degree and just want a relative, approximate, easy measure so that riders can choose which sections they want to attempt at a competiition. Kris -- danger_uni - Kris Holm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ danger_uni's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/21 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
danger_uni wrote: * You are right that a theoretically, a rider could concentrate on a few, high-value sections and still win. This was one reason that the point values were in there. The other reason was that theoretically a rider could accumulate a large number of low-point sections and win over a person who did fewer high point sections. This second scenario could happen if there were too many sections for a rider to reasonably do in the time allotted. * I can see that the 'one section one point' system would eliminate both these situations. Also it makes course setting much easier for the organisers because quantification of difficulty is not required to the nth degree. It also eliminates their own personal skill bias. These are good reasons to go with the 'one section one point' system. +o]\[y -- TonyMelton - He's the tucky! See some photos of the first 'NZ MUni Weekend' (http://gallery.unicyclist.com/NZ-MUni-Weekend-2004) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ TonyMelton's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/2118 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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Revised Unicycle Trials Rules and Photo Library of Trials Sections
As a course designer (well, one of a few) I found not having to go through and rate sections to be a big bonus. before Rolf mentioned the revised system, I was afriad I'd mess it up, and make some really easy section rated to a high point value. or the opposite. And it cut down on the course setting time (still, we spent about 11 hours). And it worked, Krazy karl smoked us by completing all the sections (in 40 minutes, of two hours), and I was second, with 35 of the 40. He was the clear winner. Seemed fine to me. And no one really complained, much. -- Max_Dingemans - Hey Look, who's that? BLAH! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Max_Dingemans's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/1981 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/34046 |
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