Pedro Deldopa

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11233.0.html

For cycling, it is very important to have a star. It is what draws
people's interest to the sport. Furthermore it is very important for the
sport to have a star who races, since it is the stars that give a race
its prestige. No matter where the race is, Spain, Switzerland, Italy or
Germany, it is important for the prestige of any race that the big stars
compete. It is important for all of those smaller races and it is
important for everyone involved in cycling.

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Look how stupid Deldopa is. He thinks it's possible for riders today to
win year around just because it was possible in the 1960's and 1970's
when the average pro was making $8k and was the athletic equivalent of a
Cat. 1.

Yet when the top guys do race year round..they just coast in 80% of the
races. What respectable fan wants to see that kind of athletic fraud?
When Vinokourov raced San Francisco with an inch of hair on his legs, it
was hilarious seeing all the dumbasses in here talk about it like he
actually came over here to win the race. And then everybody starts
thinking Charles Dionne is this great rider with tons of European
potential (he's riding for Cocaine Villa this year).


Thanks,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:

Yet when the top guys do race year round..they just coast in 80% of the
races. What respectable fan wants to see that kind of athletic fraud?

How about all the Euro fans who have attended kermesse races down
through the years?

What about team riders being "given" stages, and even lesser event
wins, in return for work done in important races? --D-y

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MagillaGorilla wrote:


Yet when the top guys do race year round..they just coast in 80% of the
races. What respectable fan wants to see that kind of athletic fraud?


How about all the Euro fans who have attended kermesse races down
through the years?

What about team riders being "given" stages, and even lesser event
wins, in return for work done in important races? --D-y



Those Euro fans are rabid because they have nothing else to do in their
lives but watch some meaningless bike race (what is the point of a Grand
Tour winner racing a crit?). You don't see the owners of the
thoroughbred that wins the Kentucky Derby taking that horse a week later
and hooking it up to a plow on some farm.

Even Lance admits he didn't watch the Tour de France on TV this year
(his quote was "not one minute of it").

I don't really understand the point of your second paragraph nor do I
agree it is even factually accurate.


Thanks,


Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:


Yet when the top guys do race year round..they just coast in 80% of the
races. What respectable fan wants to see that kind of athletic fraud?


How about all the Euro fans who have attended kermesse races down
through the years?

What about team riders being "given" stages, and even lesser event
wins, in return for work done in important races? --D-y

Those Euro fans are rabid because they have nothing else to do in their
lives but watch some meaningless bike race (what is the point of a Grand
Tour winner racing a crit?).

Maybe some are as you describe. "The point" IMHO is being able to see
the star riders for longer than a glimpse as they pass by, and the
"bigs" are supposed to do big things, like "win". The fans are being
given a show; the finish order is rigged to at least some extent. I
think some large number of them appreciate that.

You don't see the owners of the
thoroughbred that wins the Kentucky Derby taking that horse a week later
and hooking it up to a plow on some farm.

This is more along the lines of why roosters don't lay eggs, if you
want a better comparison in the "horses, sporting" area.

Even Lance admits he didn't watch the Tour de France on TV this year
(his quote was "not one minute of it").

Well, that's what The War on People will do for you!

I don't really understand the point of your second paragraph nor do I
agree it is even factually accurate.

Giro, 1980, Hinault gives an important stage win (Stelvio) to
Bernardeau as a reward for a pretty fine day of riding. IOW, not all
the stars are doing, or ever have done, their utmost to win every
single place they can, except maybe Merckx. --D-y

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MagillaGorilla wrote:

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SNIP

I don't really understand the point of your second paragraph nor do I
agree it is even factually accurate.


Giro, 1980, Hinault gives an important stage win (Stelvio) to
Bernardeau as a reward for a pretty fine day of riding. IOW, not all
the stars are doing, or ever have done, their utmost to win every
single place they can, except maybe Merckx. --D-y



Fine, but Hinault and Bernardeau weren't the only riders in the race.
So did the other teams "give" Bernardeau the stage too? Of course not.
Sure, Hinault gave it to Bernie Mac, but they had to beat everyone
else first, none of whom wanted to give B-Mac a freeby.

Don't get me started on Merckx. He road in an era when the cmpetition
he beat were the athletic equivalent of today's Snow Valley Team.
Merckx was probably doped to the ****ing gills too. And people who
worship Merckx are the same people who think some figure skater in the
1930's was the best of all time even though they couldn't even do triple
jumps back then.

The fact is Johnny Weisemuller's swim times have since been eclipsed by
girls in high school. Cycling is no different than swimming.

If Merckx rode today he would be about as good as his son, who he named
after a bicycle part for some reason.

People who worship Merckx are also the same type of people who think
President Kennedy was some icon of moral righteousness and that his wife
was some paragon of matrimony. The fact is Kennedy had a revolving door
policy on the White House and ****ed a lot of women behind Jackie O's
back. It was Clinton times 10. If Kennedy were President today and
tried to pull that off, he's be impeached and his legacy would be
totally different.

Nice moon speech and telephone call with the Governor Fob though. Nex
time, put the top up on the limo though.


Take care,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Fine [Hinault/Bernadeau, Stelvio 1980 Giro] (snip)

Just one outstanding example.

, but Hinault and Bernardeau weren't the only riders in the race.
So did the other teams "give" Bernardeau the stage too? Of course not.
Sure, Hinault gave it to Bernie Mac, but they had to beat everyone
else first, none of whom wanted to give B-Mac a freeby.

Not the point. Goes to the "historical accuracy" that in fact,
domestiques are rewarded with placings when the occasion suits.

Don't get me started on Merckx.

I see that was rhetorical:

He road in an era when the cmpetition
he beat were the athletic equivalent of today's Snow Valley Team.
Merckx was probably doped to the ****ing gills too. And people who
worship Merckx are the same people who think some figure skater in the
1930's was the best of all time even though they couldn't even do triple
jumps back then.

The fact is Johnny Weisemuller's swim times have since been eclipsed by
girls in high school. Cycling is no different than swimming.

If Merckx rode today he would be about as good as his son, who he named
after a bicycle part for some reason.

People who worship Merckx are also the same type of people who think
President Kennedy was some icon of moral righteousness and that his wife
was some paragon of matrimony. The fact is Kennedy had a revolving door
policy on the White House and ****ed a lot of women behind Jackie O's
back. It was Clinton times 10. If Kennedy were President today and
tried to pull that off, he's be impeached and his legacy would be
totally different.

Nice moon speech and telephone call with the Governor Fob though. Nex
time, put the top up on the limo though.

No worship, thanks.

No telling what Weisemuller or Merckx would have done, inserted into a
different era and given opportunity/advantages of said era.

My parents knew about the Kennedys, from the old man's import biz and
Hollywood shenanigans. They tried to tell us... The lesson to learn
IMHO from JFK and WJC is to worry less about penis and more about
policy.

It was dumb to cruise Dallas al fresco, agreed there. He knew better, I
think. --D-y

MagillaGorilla wrote:
wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:


Yet when the top guys do race year round..they just coast in 80% of the
races. What respectable fan wants to see that kind of athletic fraud?


How about all the Euro fans who have attended kermesse races down
through the years?

What about team riders being "given" stages, and even lesser event
wins, in return for work done in important races? --D-y



Those Euro fans are rabid because they have nothing else to do in their
lives but watch some meaningless bike race (what is the point of a Grand
Tour winner racing a crit?).

Right-on. Euros are a bunch of fuddle-headed mead addicts for whom
their guvmints have destroyed any reason to engage in meaningful
activity. No wonder the low races are "exciting" entertainment. I
mean, what's the choice for a Euro: whores and hash or a 6-pack and
free views of a bike race?

I don't really understand the point of your second paragraph nor do I
agree it is even factually accurate.

Well it is tom paterson, after all, who doesn't need the mead to
blather incoherently.

Look how stupid Deldopa is. He thinks it's possible for riders today to
win year around just because it was possible in the 1960's and 1970's
when the average pro was making $8k and was the athletic equivalent of a
Cat. 1.

You fail miserably in your cycling knowledge^^

Just two examples: Di Luca and Paolo Bettini

They are visible all year round.


Yet when the top guys do race year round..they just coast in 80% of the
races. What respectable fan wants to see that kind of athletic fraud?

You mean that becauase YOU do not understand cycling you feel cheated?
^^

Too bad, maybe a rabid Euro fan can explain how it works? ^^

wrote:

Look how stupid Deldopa is. He thinks it's possible for riders today to
win year around just because it was possible in the 1960's and 1970's
when the average pro was making $8k and was the athletic equivalent of a
Cat. 1.


You fail miserably in your cycling knowledge^^

Just two examples: Di Luca and Paolo Bettini


These two riders are nobodies in Grand Tours. Bettini is a ****ing
one-day sprinter on tough courses, so he wins a lot because of that,
just like Boonen. Vino would be a better example.

And whatever races Bettini wins, there are usually a couple guys right
around him. He just ends up beating them in the sprint. You take away
Bettini's sprinting ability and he's just another Spanish rider like
that gay bow-and-arrow mother****er Flecha.



Yet when the top guys do race year round..they just coast in 80% of the
races. What respectable fan wants to see that kind of athletic fraud?


You mean that becauase YOU do not understand cycling you feel cheated?
^^


What??


Magilla

On Nov 24, 2:13 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

And whatever races Bettini wins, there are usually a couple guys right
around him. He just ends up beating them in the sprint. You take away
Bettini's sprinting ability and he's just another Spanish rider like
that gay bow-and-arrow mother****er Flecha.

Potential SPOTM.

R