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Sparrows are a protected species
On 28/07/2017 16:37, JNugent wrote:
On 14/07/2017 12:04, Ian Smith wrote: JNugent wrote: On 13/07/2017 19:33, TMS320 wrote: That is assuming a camera is fitted - I have seen boxes fitted with flash but no camera. No harm if the threshold is lowered, should they do that. Causing unnecessary anxiety to people obeying the law is acceptable on your planet, is it? What possible anxiety would be caused to someone obeying the law? That's easy to understand if you are in "understand" mode. It goes like this... you drive along a road at 29 or 30mph. A Gatso camera flashes the rear of your vehicle even though you are travelling within the 30mph speed limit. Even bearing in mind that the photographs are allegedly scrutinised by a suppposed human before decisions are taken, you don't know what the local authority staff will try to "prove" with the image, especially in an area (eg, Brighton) run by half-lunatics determined to do as much harm to visiting drivers as they can get away with. Try to imagine trying to defend yourself in court when faced by a po-faced apparatchik who insists that the details within the image "prove" that your vehicle was doing 29mph (or some simnilar speed), with the bench (some of whose members may be local councillors) siding with the bureaucracy as a matter of misplaced principle. The answer is to adjust the cameras so that they may not "flash" unless the speed limit had been breached (and by more than the locally-decided tolerance level at that). On my planet it is perfectly acceptable (to me at least) to cause no anxiety to people obeying the law while causing all sorts of negative emotions in those that are disregarding it. At a guess, your vehicle has never been "flashed" by a malfunctioning Gatso whilst you were proceeding lawfully, so you have never had to spend the next two weeks or so wondering whether the loonies in charge of the place are going to try to fleece you out of money and get your licence endorsed. ERRATUM: The paragraph which starts "Try to imagine" contains a typo and should have read: "...a po-faced apparatchik who insists that the details within the image "prove" that your vehicle was doing 39mph (or some simnilar speed)...". |
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Sparrows are a protected species
On 28/07/17 16:37, JNugent wrote:
On 14/07/2017 12:04, Ian Smith wrote: JNugent wrote: On 13/07/2017 19:33, TMS320 wrote: That is assuming a camera is fitted - I have seen boxes fitted with flash but no camera. No harm if the threshold is lowered, should they do that. Causing unnecessary anxiety to people obeying the law is acceptable on your planet, is it? What possible anxiety would be caused to someone obeying the law? That's easy to understand if you are in "understand" mode. It goes like this... you drive along a road at 29 or 30mph. A Gatso camera flashes the rear of your vehicle even though you are travelling within the 30mph speed limit. Even bearing in mind that the photographs are allegedly scrutinised by a suppposed human before decisions are taken, you don't know what the local authority staff will try to "prove" with the image, especially in an area (eg, Brighton) run by half-lunatics determined to do as much harm to visiting drivers as they can get away with. You have moved from getting flashed by a box to being incorrectly charged. It would be much easier if you moved to understand mode. |
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Sparrows are a protected species
On 28/07/2017 20:31, TMS320 wrote:
On 28/07/17 16:37, JNugent wrote: On 14/07/2017 12:04, Ian Smith wrote: JNugent wrote: On 13/07/2017 19:33, TMS320 wrote: That is assuming a camera is fitted - I have seen boxes fitted with flash but no camera. No harm if the threshold is lowered, should they do that. Causing unnecessary anxiety to people obeying the law is acceptable on your planet, is it? What possible anxiety would be caused to someone obeying the law? That's easy to understand if you are in "understand" mode. It goes like this... you drive along a road at 29 or 30mph. A Gatso camera flashes the rear of your vehicle even though you are travelling within the 30mph speed limit. Even bearing in mind that the photographs are allegedly scrutinised by a suppposed human before decisions are taken, you don't know what the local authority staff will try to "prove" with the image, especially in an area (eg, Brighton) run by half-lunatics determined to do as much harm to visiting drivers as they can get away with. You have moved from getting flashed by a box to being incorrectly charged. It would be much easier if you moved to understand mode. Please explain what purpose there can possibly be in the Gatso flashing a vehicle which is not being driven in excess of the speed limit (if you can, which you can't). |
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Sparrows are a protected species
On 29/07/17 01:28, JNugent wrote:
On 28/07/2017 20:31, TMS320 wrote: On 28/07/17 16:37, JNugent wrote: On 14/07/2017 12:04, Ian Smith wrote: JNugent wrote: On 13/07/2017 19:33, TMS320 wrote: That is assuming a camera is fitted - I have seen boxes fitted with flash but no camera. No harm if the threshold is lowered, should they do that. Causing unnecessary anxiety to people obeying the law is acceptable on your planet, is it? What possible anxiety would be caused to someone obeying the law? That's easy to understand if you are in "understand" mode. It goes like this... you drive along a road at 29 or 30mph. A Gatso camera flashes the rear of your vehicle even though you are travelling within the 30mph speed limit. Even bearing in mind that the photographs are allegedly scrutinised by a suppposed human before decisions are taken, you don't know what the local authority staff will try to "prove" with the image, especially in an area (eg, Brighton) run by half-lunatics determined to do as much harm to visiting drivers as they can get away with. You have moved from getting flashed by a box to being incorrectly charged. It would be much easier if you moved to understand mode. Please explain what purpose there can possibly be in the Gatso flashing a vehicle which is not being driven in excess of the speed limit (if you can, which you can't). Nothing was said about the person(s) involved being below the posted limit. Trigger (radar) sensitivity and enforcement threshold are not the same thing just as they are not the same as the posted limit. The matter at the top was about the possibility of reducing the trigger point when the camera is taken out of the box. You would do yourself a lot of favours if you made a better effort with your reading and comprehension ability. Even when a camera is active, if the authorities desire to catch on film, say 95% (*), of drivers exceeding 36mph, it must result in 5% of drivers doing less than 36mph getting flashed. If the human at the far end is having a bad day, some of them get a letter. So what? They're still breaking the law. (*) 95% is just a suggestion, it could be 99% or 90% but I have no idea of the true figure. If the spread is too wide and falses too often the camera will run out of film more quickly. |
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Sparrows are a protected species
On 29/07/2017 15:33, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/07/17 01:28, JNugent wrote: On 28/07/2017 20:31, TMS320 wrote: On 28/07/17 16:37, JNugent wrote: On 14/07/2017 12:04, Ian Smith wrote: JNugent wrote: On 13/07/2017 19:33, TMS320 wrote: That is assuming a camera is fitted - I have seen boxes fitted with flash but no camera. No harm if the threshold is lowered, should they do that. Causing unnecessary anxiety to people obeying the law is acceptable on your planet, is it? What possible anxiety would be caused to someone obeying the law? That's easy to understand if you are in "understand" mode. It goes like this... you drive along a road at 29 or 30mph. A Gatso camera flashes the rear of your vehicle even though you are travelling within the 30mph speed limit. Even bearing in mind that the photographs are allegedly scrutinised by a suppposed human before decisions are taken, you don't know what the local authority staff will try to "prove" with the image, especially in an area (eg, Brighton) run by half-lunatics determined to do as much harm to visiting drivers as they can get away with. You have moved from getting flashed by a box to being incorrectly charged. It would be much easier if you moved to understand mode. Please explain what purpose there can possibly be in the Gatso flashing a vehicle which is not being driven in excess of the speed limit (if you can, which you can't). Nothing was said about the person(s) involved being below the posted limit. Er... yes, it was. It is the central point. See the bit above where it says: "...you drive along a road at 29 or 30mph. A Gatso camera flashes the rear of your vehicle even though you are travelling within the 30mph speed limit". Trigger (radar) sensitivity and enforcement threshold are not the same thing just as they are not the same as the posted limit. The matter at the top was about the possibility of reducing the trigger point when the camera is taken out of the box. You would do yourself a lot of favours if you made a better effort with your reading and comprehension ability. The failure to comprehend is all yours. Someone wrote: "I have seen boxes fitted with flash but no camera. No harm if the threshold is lowered...". I then explained the harm which is done when a speed camera is triggered (and flashes) by a vehicle driven at the speed limit or less. Even when a camera is active, if the authorities desire to catch on film, say 95% (*), of drivers exceeding 36mph, it must result in 5% of drivers doing less than 36mph getting flashed. If the human at the far end is having a bad day, some of them get a letter. So what? They're still breaking the law. You seem to have a screw loose about that, even though it is 100% not the subject under discussion. Both I, and the poster who wrote "I have seen boxes fitted with flash but no camera. No harm if the threshold is lowered...", were talking about vehicles being flashed at less than the limit. It happens. (*) 95% is just a suggestion, it could be 99% or 90% but I have no idea of the true figure. If the spread is too wide and falses too often the camera will run out of film more quickly. I think you're probably right to a limited extent, in that you have no idea. |
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Sparrows are a protected species
On 29/07/17 16:06, JNugent wrote:
On 29/07/2017 15:33, TMS320 wrote: On 29/07/17 01:28, JNugent wrote: On 28/07/2017 20:31, TMS320 wrote: On 28/07/17 16:37, JNugent wrote: On 14/07/2017 12:04, Ian Smith wrote: JNugent wrote: On 13/07/2017 19:33, TMS320 wrote: That is assuming a camera is fitted - I have seen boxes fitted with flash but no camera. No harm if the threshold is lowered, should they do that. Causing unnecessary anxiety to people obeying the law is acceptable on your planet, is it? What possible anxiety would be caused to someone obeying the law? That's easy to understand if you are in "understand" mode. It goes like this... you drive along a road at 29 or 30mph. A Gatso camera flashes the rear of your vehicle even though you are travelling within the 30mph speed limit. Even bearing in mind that the photographs are allegedly scrutinised by a suppposed human before decisions are taken, you don't know what the local authority staff will try to "prove" with the image, especially in an area (eg, Brighton) run by half-lunatics determined to do as much harm to visiting drivers as they can get away with. You have moved from getting flashed by a box to being incorrectly charged. It would be much easier if you moved to understand mode. Please explain what purpose there can possibly be in the Gatso flashing a vehicle which is not being driven in excess of the speed limit (if you can, which you can't). Nothing was said about the person(s) involved being below the posted limit. Er... yes, it was. It is the central point. See the bit above where it says: "...you drive along a road at 29 or 30mph. A Gatso camera flashes the rear of your vehicle even though you are travelling within the 30mph speed limit". Your words only. After your failed comprehension of anything that went before. |
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