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Shooting range to fire from bicycle?
I apologize if this sounds troll-ish, which it probably will, but it's
really just curiosity combined with the desire to shut up some fellow friends. I know some fellow (packing) riders who claim that if a car ever tried to run them over maliciously (not as big a stretch as you'd hope) they'd "shoot the driver dead" while riding. Not stop-and- shoot, which has been clarified, but one-handed firing of the gun while still riding. To me, this is ludicrous. I have plenty of range time, including tactical (where the shooter is constantly moving, covering, rolling etc.) and find it's extremely difficult to be accurate shooting while on the move. I think these guys watched too many ghetto-gangsta movies where people hold guns sideways and shoot out windows of moving cars. I think I'd have trouble hitting a car at 100 yards while riding in a panic situation, much less the driver. A couple guys I know fail to see that, and cite their accuracy at the range, while standing in a booth (sidenote: even in this situation I'm a better shot than most of them). Shooting from the weaver stance in a booth is a lot different than shooting while running, or coming up from a roll. I'd like to arrange some sort of game to test my position against that of our friends. The first thing that comes to mind is pellet guns or paintball guns in the woods, but the argument is begging to be made: "Off-road is totally different, the bike bounces around way too much. I meant from the pavement!). Shooting anything from the street, even bb or paintball guns, is a problem. Anyone have any ideas where we may find a suitable area to fire from the bikes while riding on pavement? Local (I'm in New England) or general apply-anywhere ideas welcome. Note: I'm not talking about firing the .357 while riding, which is their concept. I'm trying to prove my point using something more low-key and safe such as pellet or paintball guns. Other common-sense arguments (i.e. when you miss you could hit an innocent bystander, a house, etc) are always met with nonsense (i.e. I'd only do it when there's nothing around but woods). Comments welcome. |
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Shooting range to fire from bicycle?
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:52:08 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: I apologize if this sounds troll-ish........ ...............SNIPS.............. Comments welcome. Here's a partially rhetorical question: is it not illegal to discharge a firearm--for any reason--on a public roadway? (Maybe the law varies from place to place....) |
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wrote in message ... I apologize if this sounds troll-ish, which it probably will, but it's really just curiosity combined with the desire to shut up some fellow friends. I know some fellow (packing) riders who claim that if a car ever tried to run them over maliciously (not as big a stretch as you'd hope) they'd "shoot the driver dead" while riding. Not stop-and- shoot, which has been clarified, but one-handed firing of the gun while still riding. To me, this is ludicrous. I have plenty of range time, including tactical (where the shooter is constantly moving, covering, rolling etc.) and find it's extremely difficult to be accurate shooting while on the move. I think these guys watched too many ghetto-gangsta movies where people hold guns sideways and shoot out windows of moving cars. I think I'd have trouble hitting a car at 100 yards while riding in a panic situation, much less the driver. A couple guys I know fail to see that, and cite their accuracy at the range, while standing in a booth (sidenote: even in this situation I'm a better shot than most of them). Shooting from the weaver stance in a booth is a lot different than shooting while running, or coming up from a roll. I'd like to arrange some sort of game to test my position against that of our friends. The first thing that comes to mind is pellet guns or paintball guns in the woods, but the argument is begging to be made: "Off-road is totally different, the bike bounces around way too much. I meant from the pavement!). Shooting anything from the street, even bb or paintball guns, is a problem. Anyone have any ideas where we may find a suitable area to fire from the bikes while riding on pavement? Local (I'm in New England) or general apply-anywhere ideas welcome. Note: I'm not talking about firing the .357 while riding, which is their concept. I'm trying to prove my point using something more low-key and safe such as pellet or paintball guns. Other common-sense arguments (i.e. when you miss you could hit an innocent bystander, a house, etc) are always met with nonsense (i.e. I'd only do it when there's nothing around but woods). Comments welcome. I have a concealed weapons license. The law my State is very clear and that is if they are running away from you, you had better not shoot because they are no longer a threat to you. You can only use the weapon when you are in immediate danger, and cannot use it as a threat. So if you draw it you had better shoot to kill from the front. I carry a .38 pistol in my handle bar bag when riding in certain areas. Only once have I had any thought of going for it, but didn't. |
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On Jul 9, 1:17*pm, "DI" wrote:
wrote in message ... I apologize if this sounds troll-ish, which it probably will, but it's really just curiosity combined with the desire to shut up some fellow friends. *I know some fellow (packing) riders who claim that if a car ever tried to run them over maliciously (not as big a stretch as you'd hope) they'd "shoot the driver dead" while riding. *Not stop-and- shoot, which has been clarified, but one-handed firing of the gun while still riding. *To me, this is ludicrous. *I have plenty of range time, including tactical (where the shooter is constantly moving, covering, rolling etc.) and find it's extremely difficult to be accurate shooting while on the move. *I think these guys watched too many ghetto-gangsta movies where people hold guns sideways and shoot out windows of moving cars. *I think I'd have trouble hitting a car at 100 yards while riding in a panic situation, much less the driver. *A couple guys I know fail to see that, and cite their accuracy at the range, while standing in a booth (sidenote: *even in this situation I'm a better shot than most of them). *Shooting from the weaver stance in a booth is a lot different than shooting while running, or coming up from a roll. *I'd like to arrange some sort of game to test my position against that of our friends. *The first thing that comes to mind is pellet guns or paintball guns in the woods, but the argument is begging to be made: *"Off-road is totally different, the bike bounces around way too much. *I meant from the pavement!). *Shooting anything from the street, even bb or paintball guns, is a problem. Anyone have any ideas where we may find a suitable area to fire from the bikes while riding on pavement? *Local (I'm in New England) or general apply-anywhere ideas welcome. *Note: *I'm not talking about firing the .357 while riding, which is their concept. *I'm trying to prove my point using something more low-key and safe such as pellet or paintball guns. Other common-sense arguments (i.e. when you miss you could hit an innocent bystander, a house, etc) are always met with nonsense (i.e. I'd only do it when there's nothing around but woods). Comments welcome. I have a concealed weapons license. *The law my State is very clear and that is if they are *running *away from you, you had *better not shoot because they are no longer a threat to *you. *You can only use the weapon when you are in immediate danger, and cannot use it as a threat. * So if you draw it you had better shoot to kill from the front. I carry a .38 pistol in my handle bar bag when riding in certain areas. Only once have I had any thought of going for it, but didn't.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I too have a license to carry concealed. So does my aforementioned buddy. I'm not sure of the relevance between that and my post. I assume my friend means he would shoot them through the windshield as they were coming at him, in order to stop the assault (or at least make the vehicle easier to dodge as it will no longer correct to hit him). Anyway, my point is that I don't think he could hit the driver of a moving vehicle trying to run him down one-handed while riding along. My intention is to find a place where we can practice shooting while riding, with something less lethal than our real guns. As an aside, handlebar bag? Really? Seems like unzipping the bag and digging it out (is it loose or holstered? Holstered, add the unholstering step and loose there could be other handlebar bag junk wedged into the trigger guard) could be too time consuming and awkward in a life or death crisis situation. Personally, I'm a holstered-on- my-side guy. Yet another reason for not wearing tights. |
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wrote in message ... On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, "DI" wrote: wrote in message ... I carry a .38 pistol in my handle bar bag when riding in certain areas. Only once have I had any thought of going for it, but didn't.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I too have a license to carry concealed. So does my aforementioned buddy. I'm not sure of the relevance between that and my post. I assume my friend means he would shoot them through the windshield as they were coming at him, in order to stop the assault (or at least make the vehicle easier to dodge as it will no longer correct to hit him). Anyway, my point is that I don't think he could hit the driver of a moving vehicle trying to run him down one-handed while riding along. My intention is to find a place where we can practice shooting while riding, with something less lethal than our real guns. As an aside, handlebar bag? Really? Seems like unzipping the bag and digging it out (is it loose or holstered? Holstered, add the unholstering step and loose there could be other handlebar bag junk wedged into the trigger guard) could be too time consuming and awkward in a life or death crisis situation. Personally, I'm a holstered-on- my-side guy. Yet another reason for not wearing tights. Holstered on the side is not concealed, and strictly illegal. It's very easy to get out of the handlebar bag. I've just never had the reason to use it, but can shoot through the bag if necessary. |
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Shooting range to fire from bicycle?
On Jul 9, 10:03*am, "Guy Anderson, Sr."
wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:52:08 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: I apologize if this sounds troll-ish........ ...............SNIPS.............. Comments welcome. Here's a partially rhetorical question: *is it not illegal to discharge a firearm--for any reason--on a public roadway? *(Maybe the law varies from place to place....) I assume it is. I'm not set on doing this on a public roadway, however, just someplace paved. Also, like I said, I'm thinking pellet or paintball guns for our experiment/contest. There's no way I'm going to start riding my bike down the street shooting a real gun. |
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Shooting range to fire from bicycle?
On Jul 9, 2:41*pm, "DI" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Jul 9, 1:17 pm, "DI" wrote: wrote in message .... I carry a .38 pistol in my handle bar bag when riding in certain areas.. Only once have I had any thought of going for it, but didn't.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I too have a license to carry concealed. *So does my aforementioned buddy. *I'm not sure of the relevance between that and my post. *I assume my friend means he would shoot them through the windshield as they were coming at him, in order to stop the assault (or at least make the vehicle easier to dodge as it will no longer correct to hit him). *Anyway, my point is that I don't think he could hit the driver of a moving vehicle trying to run him down one-handed while riding along. *My intention is to find a place where we can practice shooting while riding, with something less lethal than our real guns. As an aside, handlebar bag? *Really? *Seems like unzipping the bag and digging it out (is it loose or holstered? *Holstered, add the unholstering step and loose there could be other handlebar bag junk wedged into the trigger guard) could be too time consuming and awkward in a life or death crisis situation. *Personally, I'm a holstered-on- my-side guy. *Yet another reason for not wearing tights. Holstered on the side is not concealed, and strictly illegal. * It's very easy to get out of the handlebar bag. * *I've just never had the reason to use it, but can shoot through the bag if necessary. 1) Holstered on the side is concealed if another garment, such as a long baggy t-shirt conceals it. 2) Laws vary from place to place. Where I live not only is it legal to carry an unconcealed firearm, you don't even need a license. The license is to conceal, anyone who is not a felon can strap a holstered pistol to their belt, tuck in their shirt under it and walk (or ride) down the street. 3) Getting your firearm out of the bag wasn't what I questioned, getting to the firearm is. I have trouble picturing a self-defense situation where you have time to unzip and fumble around in your handlebar bag. It's still better than a saddlebag, which a woman in one of the newsgroups mentioned a while back, but it's still nowhere near as accessible as a proper holster. Also, shooting through the bag sounds to me like asking for trouble. It would be difficult to properly aim, and you could end up hitting an innocent bystander. Contrary to what they show in the movies, the proper way to shoot a handgun is using the sights. They're the things many movie characters would see on the top of the gun if they rotated it 90 degrees clockwise from the "cool" shooting position. |
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Shooting range to fire from bicycle?
On Jul 9, 10:03*am, "Guy Anderson, Sr."
wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:52:08 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: I apologize if this sounds troll-ish........ ...............SNIPS.............. Comments welcome. Here's a partially rhetorical question: *is it not illegal to discharge a firearm--for any reason--on a public roadway? *(Maybe the law varies from place to place....) From what you snipped: "The first thing that comes to mind is pellet guns or paintball guns in the woods..." then: "Shooting anything from the street, even bb or paintball guns, is a problem. Anyone have any ideas where we may find a suitable area to fire from the bikes while riding on pavement? " |
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Shooting range to fire from bicycle?
On Jul 9, 2:01 pm, " wrote:
Dan, I think you're right on about it being quite a challenge to both "draw" and then fire from a moving bike - I would have to say no way / no how... but then some yahoo will practice it and get it down (probably some yahoo on a trike or maybe a stoker on a tandem). Still in the space of time during which most motoristas interface with us, no. Heck, most of 'em wont even hop outta that car and say that **** when you catch 'em at the stop light (hmmm, there might be some merit to having a gun rack on the bike if you're gonna issue such challenges on a regular basis). And yeah, if you're gonna shoot at 'em going away you're really gonna want a long gun instead of some wimpy assed . 454 causill But a much funner thought is paintball bicycle cavalry games, I'd pay to play, you bet! |
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Shooting range to fire from bicycle?
emanon wrote:
Sounds like an event I wanted to stage when I lived on the edge of the desert with LOTS of open areas. There is an Olympic sport called Biathlon involving cross country skiing and shooting a target rifle. After quite a few bubbly brews some of my friends and I wanted to do handguns and mountain bikes. Somehow, sadly, we never had the bikes and guns together at the same time . . . On the other hand, maybe you were lucky. |
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