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Another nasty holiday season on RBT
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 7:50:23 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 3:43:58 PM UTC-5, wrote: This is several pictures of the 1200 and 1600. All of the robotics, electronics and programming was done by me. They changed the case and shape several times later. So what? What does this tell you? then the following questions shouldn't be too hard: what was the programming language? What compiler did you use? Was it run from resident or removable media? If resident, how was the file loaded into the resident device? Was the program a state machine, or some aspect of real-time processing? Then this should be easy to identify you. It was programmed in assembly language because C compilers were horribly inefficient in those days. Tell me where you got the idea that there was "removeable media" in those days. Do you envision a removable hard drive which would cost more than the entire electronics of that instrument then? Or maybe you think that they had thumb drives as you just discovered? In your mind a "state machine" cannot be real time? Tell us all - when you have 5 axis of motion how do you propose running them without a real time kernel? By moving one axis at a time? You have just identified yourself as a second rate student. Go back to class and try to learn something instead of making really stupid statements here. |
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Another nasty holiday season on RBT
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 7:56:16 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 12:17:41 AM UTC-5, news18 wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:11:19 -0800, Earls61 wrote: “I seem to remember it as 1986 or so. It was the fist time an 8008 came out.” The 8008 was introduced in 1972. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8008 Maybe you’re thinking of the intel 386... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386 They came out in the 80s. Naah, the whole story reeks of a student project that was set on some course the Tommie "audited", aka he failed, IME, in the 70's they were still teaching you how to design your own circuitry to pfovide logic from flip-flops, etc. shifting the project up to something based on 8008 or 8080 might have been the decade later shift. or a micro-controller course. My guess is that he was actually an assembly technician, maybe ran some sort of production level programming tool (like something from the Data I/O family) to program EEproms (not quite was most of us think of when we say we programmed something). Bascially we have here a guy that claims to have developed microcomputers for a major university, enhanced power delivery systems for a particle collide, and designed a telephone system for an office building, but couldn't figure out he had to lube his chain or the links would bind. And my guess is that you're one of those engineers who I had to fire for incompetency. My step-son just became a company manager for an aerospace company. He quit Lockheed to take it. He didn't learn his work practices from his ne'er do well father. |
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Another nasty holiday season on RBT
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 8:00:56 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/21/2019 7:43 AM, news18 wrote: As usual, Tommie suddenly gets all shy with real details of why a "chip" could replace a task requiring a "supercomputer". But he showed us a photograph and used the word "Peltier." Why, oh why, aren't we suitably impressed? ;-) -- - Frank Krygowski I don't expect you to be impressed. I was never attempting to impress you. But you aren't bright enough to know that. Do you suppose I was trying to impress you when I related the story of the dolphins dancing on the bow waves of that racing yacht on the race down to Catalina? You are getting dementia and perhaps you should have that looked into. |
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Another nasty holiday season on RBT
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 11:23:30 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 7:50:23 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote: On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 3:43:58 PM UTC-5, wrote: This is several pictures of the 1200 and 1600. All of the robotics, electronics and programming was done by me. They changed the case and shape several times later. So what? What does this tell you? then the following questions shouldn't be too hard: what was the programming language? What compiler did you use? Was it run from resident or removable media? If resident, how was the file loaded into the resident device? Was the program a state machine, or some aspect of real-time processing? Then this should be easy to identify you. It was programmed in assembly language because C compilers were horribly inefficient in those days. Then you would know it wasn't the compilers that were inefficient, it was that machine language is way faster (and still is). Tell me where you got the idea that there was "removeable media" in those days. Ever seen one of these? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk They were invented in the 60's. in the 80's desk-top computers from Commodore, IBM, and compaq all used 5 1/4 inch drives to store the entire operating system until IBM invented BIOS. If you have some notion that removovable media didn't exist, it only goes to show your entire life is one big lie. Do you envision a removable hard drive which would cost more than the entire electronics of that instrument then? Or maybe you think that they had thumb drives as you just discovered? In your mind a "state machine" cannot be real time? No, and if you had any clue about software architecture you'd know what I meant by state machine versus real-time processing. Tell us all - when you have 5 axis of motion how do you propose running them without a real time kernel? By moving one axis at a time? IT depends on the application, but I can tell you you would be able to handle 5 simultaneous motor control tasks with one processor back then. Why don't you tell us how you handled simultaneous tasks with a processor that can only execute one line of code at a time? Newer processors can do it, but not back then. You have just identified yourself as a second rate student. Go back to class and try to learn something instead of making really stupid statements here. Right, by claiming an 8080 could multi-task? Or by claiming removable media didn't exist? Those weren't _my_ stupid statements. |
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Another nasty holiday season on RBT
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 11:26:42 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 7:56:16 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote: On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 12:17:41 AM UTC-5, news18 wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:11:19 -0800, Earls61 wrote: “I seem to remember it as 1986 or so. It was the fist time an 8008 came out.” The 8008 was introduced in 1972. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_8008 Maybe you’re thinking of the intel 386... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80386 They came out in the 80s. Naah, the whole story reeks of a student project that was set on some course the Tommie "audited", aka he failed, IME, in the 70's they were still teaching you how to design your own circuitry to pfovide logic from flip-flops, etc. shifting the project up to something based on 8008 or 8080 might have been the decade later shift. or a micro-controller course. My guess is that he was actually an assembly technician, maybe ran some sort of production level programming tool (like something from the Data I/O family) to program EEproms (not quite was most of us think of when we say we programmed something). Bascially we have here a guy that claims to have developed microcomputers for a major university, enhanced power delivery systems for a particle collide, and designed a telephone system for an office building, but couldn't figure out he had to lube his chain or the links would bind. And my guess is that you're one of those engineers who I had to fire for incompetency. The idea that anyone would give you a position of responsibility is one of the funniest things I've read in a while. My step-son just became a company manager for an aerospace company. He quit Lockheed to take it. He didn't learn his work practices from his ne'er do well father. And quite obviously not from his idiot step-father either. |
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Another nasty holiday season on RBT
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 11:23:30 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 7:50:23 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote: On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 3:43:58 PM UTC-5, wrote: This is several pictures of the 1200 and 1600. All of the robotics, electronics and programming was done by me. They changed the case and shape several times later. So what? What does this tell you? then the following questions shouldn't be too hard: what was the programming language? What compiler did you use? Was it run from resident or removable media? If resident, how was the file loaded into the resident device? Was the program a state machine, or some aspect of real-time processing? Then this should be easy to identify you. It was programmed in assembly language because C compilers were horribly inefficient in those days. Then you would know it wasn't the compilers that were inefficient, they were limited by the language itself. It was that machine language was way faster (and still is depending on the application). Tell me where you got the idea that there was "removeable media" in those days. Ever seen one of these? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk They were invented in the 60's. in the 80's desk-top computers from Commodore, IBM, and compaq all used 5 1/4 inch drives to store the entire operating system until IBM invented BIOS. If you have some notion that removable media didn't exist, it only goes to show your entire life is one big lie. Do you envision a removable hard drive which would cost more than the entire electronics of that instrument then? Or maybe you think that they had thumb drives as you just discovered? In your mind a "state machine" cannot be real time? No, and if you had any clue about software architecture you'd know what I meant by state machine versus real-time processing. Tell us all - when you have 5 axis of motion how do you propose running them without a real time kernel? By moving one axis at a time? IT depends on the application, but I can tell you would not be able to handle 5 simultaneous motor control tasks with one processor back then. Why don't you tell us how you handled simultaneous tasks with a processor that can only execute one line of code at a time? Newer processors can do it, but not back then. You have just identified yourself as a second rate student. Go back to class and try to learn something instead of making really stupid statements here. Right, by claiming an 8080 could multi-task? Or by claiming removable media didn't exist? Those weren't _my_ stupid statements. |
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Another nasty holiday season on RBT
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 5:47:56 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 08:31:02 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 8:00:56 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/21/2019 7:43 AM, news18 wrote: As usual, Tommie suddenly gets all shy with real details of why a "chip" could replace a task requiring a "supercomputer". But he showed us a photograph and used the word "Peltier." Why, oh why, aren't we suitably impressed? ;-) -- - Frank Krygowski I don't expect you to be impressed. I was never attempting to impress you. But you aren't bright enough to know that. Do you suppose I was trying to impress you when I related the story of the dolphins dancing on the bow waves of that racing yacht on the race down to Catalina? You are getting dementia and perhaps you should have that looked into. "I was never attempting to impress you"? Surely you lie. After all your post was a blatant attempt to convince the reader that you really are Tommy the Tiger, a great man who did many grand and wondrous things. (It is called "over compensation" and is a common trait of those who lack self-esteem) It's a classic combination of walter mitty and Dunning–Kruger |
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