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So it's the clown era again?
As soon as Lance retires all the main contenders are found out to be dopers.
Then again maybe Lance was doping and knew the gig was up. |
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So it's the clown era again?
"Manco" wrote in message
news:1wbpg.20$fv3.7@trnddc02... As soon as Lance retires all the main contenders are found out to be dopers. Then again maybe Lance was doping and knew the gig was up. There was an invisible bubble of purity surrounding the TdF during the LANCE era. That era is over. -- Snippy |
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So it's the clown era again?
Manco wrote:
As soon as Lance retires all the main contenders are found out to be dopers. Then again maybe Lance was doping and knew the gig was up. But how did Armstrong know the gig was up? Does anyone else see anything fishy about how immediately after he retires this happens (not to mention the Festina affair was the year before he started winning)? Who do you think really knew where all the skeletons were buried in closets? Armstrong trained in Spain, I think, maybe he didn't, I don't really care, it makes a better story if I believe he did, so he had ample opportunity to send a letter here and there, nudge a local gendarme, or whatever the hell they call cops in Spain (gendarmos? poliziarojas?). It is also quite telling this happens after the Giro but before the Tour and after the Vuelta from last year but before this year's. If that isn't part of the larger pattern, then I haven't gotten into some moldy peanut butter. Again. But of course all that speculation about Armstrong blowing out the dopers as a final "Texas-style-finger-in-the-air-hat-waving-whooping salute" to the French is just that, speculation. It deflects from who really benefits. Stop focussing on virtual wins from past Tours and Giros. Both Ullrich and Basso now can claim a virtual Tour win from this year (in Basso's case, a split actual-virtual double, or maybe a actual-virtual- virtual if he claims he was planning on riding the Vuelta (or even the unprecedented triple virtual if he gets stripped of the Giro)). Those virtual wins are going to look great on their resumes. -- Bill Asher |
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So it's the clown era again?
On 30 Jun 2006 16:35:05 GMT, William Asher wrote:
But of course all that speculation about Armstrong blowing out the dopers as a final "Texas-style-finger-in-the-air-hat-waving-whooping salute" to the French is just that, speculation. It deflects from who really benefits. Stop focussing on virtual wins from past Tours and Giros. Both Ullrich and Basso now can claim a virtual Tour win from this year (in Basso's case, a split actual-virtual double, or maybe a actual-virtual- virtual if he claims he was planning on riding the Vuelta (or even the unprecedented triple virtual if he gets stripped of the Giro)). Those virtual wins are going to look great on their resumes. Is there a reason you are leaving out the WCs? There is simply no reason not to go for a triple virtual. I think Ullrich can easily claim the triple virtual. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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So it's the clown era again?
Snippy Bobkins a écrit :
"Manco" wrote in message news:1wbpg.20$fv3.7@trnddc02... As soon as Lance retires all the main contenders are found out to be dopers. Then again maybe Lance was doping and knew the gig was up. There was an invisible bubble of purity surrounding the TdF during the LANCE era. That era is over. Germany over Argentina in penalty shots. There is more out there than a retired texan. |
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So it's the clown era again?
"William Asher" wrote in message
... Manco wrote: As soon as Lance retires all the main contenders are found out to be dopers. Then again maybe Lance was doping and knew the gig was up. But how did Armstrong know the gig was up? Does anyone else see anything fishy about how immediately after he retires this happens (not to mention the Festina affair was the year before he started winning)? I don't see anything fishy about it - the people who KNEW they couldn't beat Lance are now willing to do ANYTHING to take over as 'the boss'. To me, it's just that simple. Were they doping during Lance's reign? Probably. Was Lance doping? Possibly, but I choose to believe that he wasn't based on all of read and seen of him. Now, it's wide open, and guys will do anything to assume the throne. Jeff Who do you think really knew where all the skeletons were buried in closets? Armstrong trained in Spain, I think, maybe he didn't, I don't really care, it makes a better story if I believe he did, so he had ample opportunity to send a letter here and there, nudge a local gendarme, or whatever the hell they call cops in Spain (gendarmos? poliziarojas?). It is also quite telling this happens after the Giro but before the Tour and after the Vuelta from last year but before this year's. If that isn't part of the larger pattern, then I haven't gotten into some moldy peanut butter. Again. But of course all that speculation about Armstrong blowing out the dopers as a final "Texas-style-finger-in-the-air-hat-waving-whooping salute" to the French is just that, speculation. It deflects from who really benefits. Stop focussing on virtual wins from past Tours and Giros. Both Ullrich and Basso now can claim a virtual Tour win from this year (in Basso's case, a split actual-virtual double, or maybe a actual-virtual- virtual if he claims he was planning on riding the Vuelta (or even the unprecedented triple virtual if he gets stripped of the Giro)). Those virtual wins are going to look great on their resumes. -- Bill Asher |
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So it's the clown era again?
Sandy wrote:
Snippy Bobkins a écrit : "Manco" wrote in message news:1wbpg.20$fv3.7@trnddc02... As soon as Lance retires all the main contenders are found out to be dopers. Then again maybe Lance was doping and knew the gig was up. There was an invisible bubble of purity surrounding the TdF during the LANCE era. That era is over. Germany over Argentina in penalty shots. There is more out there than a retired texan. Like the names of all those soccer players seen enetring the building during "Operacion Puerto". Oh but that would spoil the World Cup again wouldn't it. Viz 1998 when the French police took their revenge on the Tour because they were stopped from busting the Creatine toting footy players. It is bad for cycling buit WHY is it the only sport getting clobbered? |
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
On 30 Jun 2006 16:35:05 GMT, William Asher wrote: But of course all that speculation about Armstrong blowing out the dopers as a final "Texas-style-finger-in-the-air-hat-waving-whooping salute" to the French is just that, speculation. It deflects from who really benefits. Stop focussing on virtual wins from past Tours and Giros. Both Ullrich and Basso now can claim a virtual Tour win from this year (in Basso's case, a split actual-virtual double, or maybe a actual-virtual- virtual if he claims he was planning on riding the Vuelta (or even the unprecedented triple virtual if he gets stripped of the Giro)). Those virtual wins are going to look great on their resumes. Is there a reason you are leaving out the WCs? There is simply no reason not to go for a triple virtual. I think Ullrich can easily claim the triple virtual. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... I am assuming Hincapie and Boonen will be DQ'd by then and they will claim the WC virtual. The GC guys never ride the worlds anymore unless they have something to prove, which this year they don't since they already won their virtual grand tours (although we still have to see who would have been the favorite for the Vuelta and gets that virtual). Boonen stands the most to gain by getting DQ'd since he can claim a virtual double-double of winning P-R and WC in the same year two years in a row, except he didn't win P-R this year but can claim he might have if he hadn't ridden so hard the week before. I am a little unclear about how you do the virtual win assignment so I may have that a bit mixed up. Also, keep in mind that if Boonen gets a 2-yr suspension he can then get a four-year virtual double, which I don't think has been done before, or since, so that is a huge incentive for him. In a lot of ways, this is sort of like watching one of those over-the-top- rope battle royales in pro-wrestling with guys flying out of the ring left and right, except the winner won't get to meet the current champion in a strap-on cage match during Wrestlemania XXLXIXLXIBFD, the guys involved are a lot smaller, and the nicknames are things like "Paco" instead of "Superfly." -- Bill Asher |
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
snip There was a time when the above would have confused me while sober, but I'm much better now. http://tiny.pl/t5b9 -- Bill Asher |
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So it's the clown era again?
On 30 Jun 2006 18:02:36 GMT, William Asher wrote:
I am assuming Hincapie and Boonen will be DQ'd by then and they will claim the WC virtual. The GC guys never ride the worlds anymore unless they have something to prove, which this year they don't since they already won their virtual grand tours (although we still have to see who would have been the favorite for the Vuelta and gets that virtual). Boonen stands the most to gain by getting DQ'd since he can claim a virtual double-double of winning P-R and WC in the same year two years in a row, except he didn't win P-R this year but can claim he might have if he hadn't ridden so hard the week before. I am a little unclear about how you do the virtual win assignment so I may have that a bit mixed up. Also, keep in mind that if Boonen gets a 2-yr suspension he can then get a four-year virtual double, which I don't think has been done before, or since, so that is a huge incentive for him. In a lot of ways, this is sort of like watching one of those over-the-top- rope battle royales in pro-wrestling with guys flying out of the ring left and right, except the winner won't get to meet the current champion in a strap-on cage match during Wrestlemania XXLXIXLXIBFD, the guys involved are a lot smaller, and the nicknames are things like "Paco" instead of "Superfly." There was a time when the above would have confused me while sober, but I'm much better now. Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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