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Old April 12th 18, 02:44 PM posted to aus.bicycle
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I once posted this but got no real answer. Does anyone have an answer?
What are the latest laws in NSW regarding EBikes
Can you still have independent throttles with 200 watts, it seems you
can have 250 watts but only if you pedal, is this the case, is there an
up to date ADR or regulation governing this?
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Old April 12th 18, 02:48 PM posted to aus.bicycle
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:44:25 +1000, FMurtz wrote:

I once posted this but got no real answer.

Yes you did, but you decided to ignore it.

Does anyone have an answer?

As before.

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Old April 12th 18, 10:55 PM posted to aus.bicycle
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In aus.bicycle on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:44:25 +1000
FMurtz wrote:
I once posted this but got no real answer. Does anyone have an answer?
What are the latest laws in NSW regarding EBikes
Can you still have independent throttles with 200 watts, it seems you
can have 250 watts but only if you pedal, is this the case, is there an
up to date ADR or regulation governing this?


http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/...dal-cycles.pdf

alternatively look at legislation

latest I can find in nsw is 2014
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/n...28n2014410.pdf

"Note 1. Power-assisted pedal cycle is defined in the Vehicle Standard
(Australian Design Rule— Definitions and Vehicle Categories) 2005
determined under section 7 of the Motor Vehicle Standards Act 1989 of
the Commonwealth. The definition of power-assisted pedal cycle includes
pedalecs within the meaning of that Standard (which may have one or
more auxiliary propulsion motors generating a combined power output not
exceeding 250 watts)."

so that means 250 if pedelec as far as I can see. Which is the same
as the guy at Sydney Electric Bikes told me, that is the throttle is
supposed to only give 200W but the pedal assist can be up to 250.

(And internal combustion engined bikes are now not bicycles...)


https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2012C00326

PEDALEC - A vehicle meeting European Committee for Standardization
EN 15194:2009 or EN 15194:2009+A1:2011 Cycles - Electrically power
assisted cycles - EPAC Bicycles.

Go search for that....

http://www.zbox.com.au/legal.htm also dates to 2014 and says the same
- 200w for throttle, 250 for pedalec. With the caveat that a throttle
only bike still has to be a bike. So the pseudo-scooters you see
with the vestigal pedals are illegal.


Zebee
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Old April 12th 18, 11:14 PM posted to aus.bicycle
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also
https://consultation.accc.gov.au/pro...%20FINAL. pdf

Zebee
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Old April 13th 18, 07:57 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:55:34 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

o that means 250 if pedelec as far as I can see. Which is the same as
the guy at Sydney Electric Bikes told me, that is the throttle is
supposed to only give 200W but the pedal assist can be up to 250.


I think he was trying to pass off old stock. The law in NSW was max 200w,
but it was relatively recently increased to 250W in line with limits else
where.

It was Victoria that at one stage had a rule that power assist could only
work if the rider was also pedalling. That rule has since been removed.

BTW, we've done this before that last time numbchum asked this question.

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Old April 13th 18, 08:33 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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In aus.bicycle on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 06:57:41 -0000 (UTC)
news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:55:34 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

o that means 250 if pedelec as far as I can see. Which is the same as
the guy at Sydney Electric Bikes told me, that is the throttle is
supposed to only give 200W but the pedal assist can be up to 250.


I think he was trying to pass off old stock. The law in NSW was max 200w,
but it was relatively recently increased to 250W in line with limits else
where


As all th e things quoted state, it is only 250w if pedalling. The
throttle should only allow 200W.

If you think you can do 250W on a throttle please produce the
legislation.

Zebee
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Old April 13th 18, 09:00 AM posted to aus.bicycle
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 07:33:41 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

In aus.bicycle on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 06:57:41 -0000 (UTC)
news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:55:34 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

o that means 250 if pedelec as far as I can see. Which is the same as
the guy at Sydney Electric Bikes told me, that is the throttle is
supposed to only give 200W but the pedal assist can be up to 250.


I think he was trying to pass off old stock. The law in NSW was max
200w,
but it was relatively recently increased to 250W in line with limits
else where


As all th e things quoted state, it is only 250w if pedalling. The
throttle should only allow 200W.

If you think you can do 250W on a throttle please produce the
legislation.


Lol, are you looking for laws passed by Malcolm "we can ignore the law of
mathematics" Turbull? There is no way your law is enforceable as PLOD has
no way of measuring the power applied through the pedal. Send me your
"excess 200w power ticket".

I did say recent legislation.

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Old April 13th 18, 12:05 PM posted to aus.bicycle
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In aus.bicycle on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 08:00:26 -0000 (UTC)
news18 wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 07:33:41 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

In aus.bicycle on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 06:57:41 -0000 (UTC)
news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:55:34 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

o that means 250 if pedelec as far as I can see. Which is the same as
the guy at Sydney Electric Bikes told me, that is the throttle is
supposed to only give 200W but the pedal assist can be up to 250.

I think he was trying to pass off old stock. The law in NSW was max
200w,
but it was relatively recently increased to 250W in line with limits
else where


As all th e things quoted state, it is only 250w if pedalling. The
throttle should only allow 200W.

If you think you can do 250W on a throttle please produce the
legislation.


Lol, are you looking for laws passed by Malcolm "we can ignore the law of
mathematics" Turbull? There is no way your law is enforceable as PLOD has
no way of measuring the power applied through the pedal. Send me your
"excess 200w power ticket".


If it isn't stamped with the appropriate certificate marks, the plod
can require you to take it and get it tested, else confiscate it until
it is tested.

That is stated in one of the links provided that you didn't read.

I did say recent legislation.


And you haven't provided any. Because there isn't any. If you think
there is, then provide links to same.

Zebee
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Old April 17th 18, 12:00 PM posted to aus.bicycle
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news18 wrote:
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 21:55:34 +0000, Zebee Johnstone wrote:

o that means 250 if pedelec as far as I can see. Which is the same as
the guy at Sydney Electric Bikes told me, that is the throttle is
supposed to only give 200W but the pedal assist can be up to 250.


I think he was trying to pass off old stock. The law in NSW was max 200w,
but it was relatively recently increased to 250W in line with limits else
where.

It was Victoria that at one stage had a rule that power assist could only
work if the rider was also pedalling. That rule has since been removed.

BTW, we've done this before that last time numbchum asked this question.

I was after the latest laws IE proof, not an opinion, numnuts, I had
been told that you could not have a throttle unless you pedaled and a
statement from an unknown individual saying the opposite without
reference would not cut it and may not believed just as I did not
believe the bloke I was talking to.
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Old April 17th 18, 03:56 PM posted to aus.bicycle
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:00:11 +1000, FMurtz wrote:


I was after the latest laws


Then look them up if you're so worried about them. This is usenet.

 




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