OT Travel Ban Ruling

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 1:37:07 AM UTC, Doug Landau wrote:
snip What made Reagan the victor of the Cold War wasn't his fine administrative experience in the actors' unions or in Sacramento, or his diplomatic charm, but his gambler's instinct frightening the **** out of the Kremlin.

What makes you think he wasn't responding to what the regulars wanted from him?

How so, Doug? -- AJ

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 1:52:16 AM UTC, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 9:24:12 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/15/2017 2:27 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 10:15:16 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:

Minor detail: the mot widely accepted acronym for the Supreme Court of
the United States is SCOTUS. Many of your readers will be puzzled by
USSC, which sounds like you are talking about college football.

United States Sentencing Commission. http://www.ussc.gov/


They're also not so affectionately known as The Supremes.

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Andrew Muzi
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They weren't even good enough to be a backing group. Mind you, they were a lot more musical than today's rappers. -- AJ

"The most successful American performers of the 1960s, the Supremes for a time rivaled even the Beatles in terms of red-hot commercial appeal, reeling off five number one singles in a row at one point."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC-MDYopSoA

By the standard of "red-hot commercial appeal, rappers are also artists. Pull the other one, Doug. -- AJ

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 11:46:38 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 2:48:04 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 8:17:57 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:

And to something Andre said, business skills are not transferable to government -- at least not entirely. Government and diplomacy are not rational markets motivated by profit. If Russia decides to deploy missiles, and you don't like it, you can't just buy your way out of it. The deal might involve blowing-up a continent and not just walking away from a profit, paying more or declaring bankruptcy. In some respects, a businessman is the last person you want for diplomatic tasks. You would be better off with a psychologist, anthropologist or an ethnologist -- or even a political science professor.

-- Jay Beattie

I'm one of those psychologists you mention, and an economist, and I practised both skills at the cutting edge of business, in a business that is probably the only more Darwinian rat****ery than property development, and I must tell you that the leaders of their nations that I've advised on four of the five continents were probably interchangeable with the business leaders I've advised, except that the businessmen were smarter. Hal Geneen, said almost universally to be one of the great businessmen of the previous century (and a benefactor to me), was once told by someone from his hotels group as the car passed the monument, "That's the Colosseum, Mr Geneen." He looked up, mistook the remark for a suggestion that it should be turned into a hotel, glanced around the back of the car at our faces for support for the notion, found none, ruled, "It'll cost too much to restore," and dropped his eyes again to the spreadsheet on his lap, moving my finger, which had slid as I looked up, to the exact point where he was interrupted in his perusal of the numbers. There is no doubt in my mind that Mr Geneen could have walked into the Oval Office and taken over the management of the nation in an instant and proven more competent than any President since World War II, with the obvious exceptions of Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan. Geneen wasn't the only one. Chuck Bluhdorn, Robert Holmes a Court, Rupert Murdoch, many more would do a brilliant job. In every single case it would be the easiest job they ever held, because there is so much help: two houses of Congress, the judiciary, established bureaucracies, lots of experienced executives vying for appointments running these bureaucracies, platoons of high-quality advisors.

Government and diplomacy are not rational markets motivated by profit..

I laughed aloud when I read that. Whenever I've taught, I always open by stating the principles of economics (a presumption of rationality in everyone involved in everyday life) even to doctoral aspirants and postdocs, adding, "That's just the normative case [what should be, if everything were to be rational, as opposed to what is]. In reality, the madhouse is all around us, and the greatest virtue in the Darwinian competition of life is unpredictability." Your premise simply doesn't conform to real life experience, Jay.

Developing property is cookie-cutter. You can read market studies and pencil out pro formas on the back of napkin. Dealing with ideologues in foreign countries, building coalitions, developing a national strategy is not cookie-cutter.

The down-side of a bad development deal is a low return on investment. If the going gets tough, you give the property to the bank or the investors. The down-side of bad foreign policy is a bomb-crater and/or a lot of dead Americans in some foreign ****-hole.

BTW, what made Reagan the victor in the Cold War was the US economy and
Mikhail Gorbachev. Kennedy was the gambler, whatever you may think of Kennedy and/or Dean Rusk.

Perhaps Trump is a savant and a natural diplomat who will make America great again. I'm not seeing it. And in fact, even after living through the Cuban Missile Crisis, I'm more anxious about our government than ever.

-- Jay Beattie.

I'll leave it there, except for this:
Kennedy was the gambler, whatever you may think of Kennedy and/or Dean Rusk.

JFK was an overgrown, narcissistic child, as demonstrated by his behavior when Gagarin circumnavigated the world way, way up there. Kennedy literally danced around his desk in a rage, demanding to know from everyone within hearing, "Isn't there some ****ing thing we can win?" He wasn't a gambler either, he was just foolish to the point of recklessness, and inconstant, and that is what caused the Bay of Pigs. It is possible, though not likely that we will ever know for sure because the Tran Toc (the head of the Ngo family) took that secret with him to his grave, that JFK was shot in retaliation for ordering the assassination of the Vietnamese leaders, another stupid, arrogant, and racist act against people who were aristocrats when the Kennedy's ancestors were savages crouching in mud huts without eating implements..

Bobby had all the brains, will and focus in that family. It's possible that even Fat Teddy, who was nothing to write home about, in the end acquired more nous than Handsome Jack.

Here's some trivia for Jeff Daniels: JFK's skin was also orange, like Trump's; do something useful: google the reason and come explain it to us.

Andre Jute
Reality and myth

Carrots ?

Limit cycling ?


We now witness GOP espionage against US interests protected with Fed/GOP coverup n calls for a PURGE of the intelligence community .... Media, according to Rump, is behind Flynn's lying to Pence ...

We then conclude media n intelligence are working with the Russians to overthrow the goverment.

As a Russian spy ship trolls the East Coast manned by Time magazine n NYT.

On 2/16/17 5:04 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
By the standard of "red-hot commercial appeal," rappers are also artists. Pull the other one, Doug. -- AJ

I know and/or am related to some aspiring musicians. I've pointed out
to them that talent is important, but it isn't what sells tickets.

--
Wes Groleau

So Geronimo said of Lind....

He said "get up n dance"

On 2/15/2017 8:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Diana Ross, a melodramatic diva, exhibits more humility
than the Justices.

I don't think humility is necessary, nor even desirable, in a Supreme
Court justice.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 9:23:43 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/15/2017 8:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Diana Ross, a melodramatic diva, exhibits more humility
than the Justices.

I don't think humility is necessary, nor even desirable, in a Supreme
Court justice.


I second that emotion.

-- Justice Smokey.

On 2/16/2017 11:23 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/15/2017 8:56 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Diana Ross, a melodramatic diva, exhibits more humility
than the Justices.

I don't think humility is necessary, nor even desirable, in
a Supreme Court justice.


We'll disagree on that.

Personal opinion or the fashions of the moment ought to not
supercede the Constitution or the laws as written IMHO.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 20:04:23 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
wrote:

By the standard of "red-hot commercial appeal, rappers
are also artists. Pull the other one, Doug. -- AJ

Take away the music from rap and hip-hop, and what's left is a poetry
reading. I'm always amused by audiences who will pay to hear poetry
recited to music (also known as rap music), but will run in horror at
the thought of attending a poetry reading (same thing without the
music). It also works the other way. I've suggested to some of the
local poets that it might be useful to borrow some of the things that
have worked so well for rappers, with similar horrific results.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/prufrock/is-rap-poetry/

I wonder how my doggerel would sound set to music?
http://members.cruzio.com/~jeffl/poetry/rhyme.htm


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