Criticle Mass bike rides

Lou Holtman wrote:
...
Don't want to start a discussion what place is better to live, but I
invite you to come over and look how the working class people here live
their lives especially when they are sick, unemployed or old. I think
our tax money is better spent.

USians are brainwashed from an early age that the US is the greatest
country of all times - past, present and future - and that they are the
greatest people and that ALL things are better in the US, and nothing
can be improved other than getting rid of people who do not want to "get
with the program". That is why one gets such a vehement reaction for
pointing out where this is myth and not fact.

I visit the USA an Canada this fall for a vacation, but I'm sure I be
glad I can go home after 4 weeks ;-)
How many Americans have the time and money to spend 4 weeks in Europe
for a holiday? No not people who are retired.

Just you wait until the elites impose their will on you. Say goodbye to
all that.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

On Jan 27, 6:29 am, " wrote:


[Netherlands has] far fewer unintended teen pregnancies;
far, far fewer people in jail; much lower infant mortality, and longer
life expectancy. Plus assisted suicide, and a much calmer and more
realistic (rational) outlook on "life" in general. Well, what can I
say, it makes a great object lesson, "secular v. religionist".
...
When I've talked to my Dutch in-laws, the reasons they give for
establishing residence, and having their children, in the USA are
centered around economic opportunity, linked to "upward social
mobility" to some extent at least. --D-y

Consider two possible routes to "happiness":

1) Living in a very cooperative society where an overriding goal is
reasonable prosperity for all, versus

2) Living in a very competitive society where an overriding goal is
getting lots of money and buying lots of ****.

ISTM that many western European countries tend more toward choice #1,
while the US tends toward choice #2.

The folks from a #1 country who choose to move to a #2 country are
likely to be folks who think the path to happiness is having lots of
****, and that it's worth the risk to compete for that ****.

And for them, it might be true. They may get rich, and buy lots of
****, and therefore be happy. But from the reading I've done on these
issues, it's not true for most people. IOW, for most people, staying
in the #2 country is probably smarter.

BTW, given the choice I outlined, I think most world religions seem to
tell people to shoot for #2, not #1.

- Frank Krygowski

wrote:
On Jan 27, 6:29 am, " wrote:

[Netherlands has] far fewer unintended teen pregnancies;
far, far fewer people in jail; much lower infant mortality, and longer
life expectancy. Plus assisted suicide, and a much calmer and more
realistic (rational) outlook on "life" in general. Well, what can I
say, it makes a great object lesson, "secular v. religionist".
...
When I've talked to my Dutch in-laws, the reasons they give for
establishing residence, and having their children, in the USA are
centered around economic opportunity, linked to "upward social
mobility" to some extent at least. --D-y

Consider two possible routes to "happiness":

1) Living in a very cooperative society where an overriding goal is
reasonable prosperity for all, versus

2) Living in a very competitive society where an overriding goal is
getting lots of money and buying lots of ****.

ISTM that many western European countries tend more toward choice #1,
while the US tends toward choice #2.

The folks from a #1 country who choose to move to a #2 country are
likely to be folks who think the path to happiness is having lots of
****, and that it's worth the risk to compete for that ****.

And for them, it might be true. They may get rich, and buy lots of
****, and therefore be happy. But from the reading I've done on these
issues, it's not true for most people. IOW, for most people, staying
in the #2 country is probably smarter.

BTW, given the choice I outlined, I think most world religions seem to
tell people to shoot for #2, not #1.

- Frank Krygowski


Did you get the numbers right?

Lou

On Jan 27, 10:11*am, wrote:

Consider two possible routes to "happiness":

1) *Living in a very cooperative society where an overriding goal is
reasonable prosperity for all, versus

2) *Living in a very competitive society where an overriding goal is
getting lots of money and buying lots of ****.

ISTM that many western European countries tend more toward choice #1,
while the US tends toward choice #2.

The folks from a #1 country who choose to move to a #2 country are
likely to be folks who think the path to happiness is having lots of
****, and that it's worth the risk to compete for that ****.

And for them, it might be true. *They may get rich, and buy lots of
****, and therefore be happy. *But from the reading I've done on these
issues, it's not true for most people. *IOW, for most people, staying
in the #2 country is probably smarter.

BTW, given the choice I outlined, I think most world religions seem to
tell people to shoot for #2, not #1.

I think you're full of ****, Frank. Nothing new. --D-y

On Jan 27, 11:24 am, Lou Holtman wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 27, 6:29 am, " wrote:

[Netherlands has] far fewer unintended teen pregnancies;
far, far fewer people in jail; much lower infant mortality, and longer
life expectancy. Plus assisted suicide, and a much calmer and more
realistic (rational) outlook on "life" in general. Well, what can I
say, it makes a great object lesson, "secular v. religionist".
...
When I've talked to my Dutch in-laws, the reasons they give for
establishing residence, and having their children, in the USA are
centered around economic opportunity, linked to "upward social
mobility" to some extent at least. --D-y

Consider two possible routes to "happiness":

1) Living in a very cooperative society where an overriding goal is
reasonable prosperity for all, versus

2) Living in a very competitive society where an overriding goal is
getting lots of money and buying lots of ****.

ISTM that many western European countries tend more toward choice #1,
while the US tends toward choice #2.

The folks from a #1 country who choose to move to a #2 country are
likely to be folks who think the path to happiness is having lots of
****, and that it's worth the risk to compete for that ****.

And for them, it might be true. They may get rich, and buy lots of
****, and therefore be happy. But from the reading I've done on these
issues, it's not true for most people. IOW, for most people, staying
in the #2 country is probably smarter.

BTW, given the choice I outlined, I think most world religions seem to
tell people to shoot for #2, not #1.

- Frank Krygowski

Did you get the numbers right?

Lou

No, indeed! Thanks for the catch.

- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:56:58 +0100, Lou Holtman wrote:

Seeing a lot of bikes in Amsterdam has nothing to do with standard of
living. Bikes are the most practical way of transportation there.
- short distances,
- flat,
- stuck traffic,
- no parking spots,

etc. etc.

I consider my standard of living *higher* because I'm able to bike every
day instead of drive. What a waste of life sitting in a car in traffic is.

Note that the places with the highest real estate prices are the ones that
are the most bikeable and/or walkable. People have voted with their
dollars.

Matt O.

On Jan 27, 1:19*pm, " wrote:
On Jan 27, 10:11*am, wrote:



Consider two possible routes to "happiness":

1) *Living in a very cooperative society where an overriding goal is
reasonable prosperity for all, versus

2) *Living in a very competitive society where an overriding goal is
getting lots of money and buying lots of ****.

ISTM that many western European countries tend more toward choice #1,
while the US tends toward choice #2.

The folks from a #1 country who choose to move to a #2 country are
likely to be folks who think the path to happiness is having lots of
****, and that it's worth the risk to compete for that ****.

And for them, it might be true. *They may get rich, and buy lots of
****, and therefore be happy. *But from the reading I've done on these
issues, it's not true for most people. *IOW, for most people, staying
in the #2 country is probably smarter.

BTW, given the choice I outlined, I think most world religions seem to
tell people to shoot for #2, not #1.

I think you're full of ****, Frank. Nothing new. *--D-y


Given that this is Frank Krygowski, you should note that he is #1 in
the Number Two business. ;-)

Lou Holtman wrote:
...
Don't want to start a discussion what place is better to live, but I
invite you to come over and look how the working class people here
live their lives especially when they are sick, unemployed or old. I
think our tax money is better spent.

Tom Sherman wrote:
USians are brainwashed from an early age that the US is the greatest
country of all times - past, present and future - and that they are the
greatest people and that ALL things are better in the US, and nothing
can be improved other than getting rid of people who do not want to "get
with the program". That is why one gets such a vehement reaction for
pointing out where this is myth and not fact.

Lou Holtman wrote:
I visit the USA an Canada this fall for a vacation, but I'm sure I be
glad I can go home after 4 weeks ;-)
How many Americans have the time and money to spend 4 weeks in Europe
for a holiday? No not people who are retired.

Tom Sherman wrote:
Just you wait until the elites impose their will on you. Say goodbye to
all that.

I'm sure you feel as if your opinions are a fascinating version of how
the world should be. Lets' go back to bikes, OK?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Andrew Muzi wrote:
Lou Holtman wrote:
...
Don't want to start a discussion what place is better to live, but I
invite you to come over and look how the working class people here
live their lives especially when they are sick, unemployed or old. I
think our tax money is better spent.

Tom Sherman wrote:
USians are brainwashed from an early age that the US is the greatest
country of all times - past, present and future - and that they are
the greatest people and that ALL things are better in the US, and
nothing can be improved other than getting rid of people who do not
want to "get with the program". That is why one gets such a vehement
reaction for pointing out where this is myth and not fact.

Lou Holtman wrote:
I visit the USA an Canada this fall for a vacation, but I'm sure I be
glad I can go home after 4 weeks ;-)
How many Americans have the time and money to spend 4 weeks in Europe
for a holiday? No not people who are retired.

Tom Sherman wrote:
Just you wait until the elites impose their will on you. Say goodbye
to all that.

I'm sure you feel as if your opinions are a fascinating version of how
the world should be. Lets' go back to bikes, OK?

Sure, as soon as someone explains what a vacation is - I am not
personally familiar with that activity.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Lou Holtman wrote:
...
Don't want to start a discussion what place is better to live, but I
invite you to come over and look how the working class people here
live their lives especially when they are sick, unemployed or old. I
think our tax money is better spent.

Tom Sherman wrote:
USians are brainwashed from an early age that the US is the greatest
country of all times - past, present and future - and that they are
the greatest people and that ALL things are better in the US, and
nothing can be improved other than getting rid of people who do not
want to "get with the program". That is why one gets such a vehement
reaction for pointing out where this is myth and not fact.

Lou Holtman wrote:
I visit the USA an Canada this fall for a vacation, but I'm sure I
be glad I can go home after 4 weeks ;-)
How many Americans have the time and money to spend 4 weeks in
Europe for a holiday? No not people who are retired.

Tom Sherman wrote:
Just you wait until the elites impose their will on you. Say goodbye
to all that.

Andrew Muzi wrote:
I'm sure you feel as if your opinions are a fascinating version of how
the world should be. Lets' go back to bikes, OK?

Tom Sherman wrote:
Sure, as soon as someone explains what a vacation is - I am not
personally familiar with that activity.

Me neither, haven't missed a day since 1992.
Now if someone else _told_ me I couldn't take off, I'd be ****ed.

Truly we will not reshape the universe through r.b.t. Back to bikes?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971