CHARTING THE ATTEMPT BY GENE DANIELS aka DATAKOLL TO TAKE OVER rec.bicycles.tech (RBT)

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:30:09 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/12/2013 1:48 PM, Andre Jute wrote:

I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT). Perhaps I can use it as a case study in self-delusion and overweening, entirely unjustified ambition for my grad students, as I did the earlier attempts of the Magnequest Scum to take over rec. audio.tubes (RAT).

Andre Jute

Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res


You're welcome to your opinion but Gene has given us much,

including the timeless advice on wheelbuilding methods using

a dead chicken (27 September, 2002)

--

Andrew Muzi

www.yellowjersey.org/

Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Exactly. I am entitled to my opinion. What you fail to explain, Andrew, is how Daniels' shenanigans with a dead chicken six years ago entitles him to:

1. Leadership of RBT.
2. To decide what the purpose of RBT is.
3. To decide who may be members of RBT.
4. To attempt to drive out members of RBT in good standing.
5. To threaten members of RBT in good standing.
6. To interfere in the livehood of members of RBT in good standing.
7. To subvert RBT into an isolationist, Americans-only, group.

Do we take it then, Andrew, since you don't separate yourself from them, that you approve of this scumball Daniels's anti-social activities, outlined above?

Andre Jute
Standing tall for decency

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:31:11 PM UTC+1, davethedave wrote:
On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:48:35 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka

Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT). Perhaps I

can use it as a case study in self-delusion and overweening, entirely

unjustified ambition for my grad students, as I did the earlier attempts

of the Magnequest Scum to take over rec. audio.tubes (RAT).



Andre Jute Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res



You are now indulging in the same multipost stupidity that got Mr Koll

chucked in my killfile. You've had your rant, now get a killfile of your

own and move on.

Oh, I've just started. You can either prepare to laugh at the antics of the scumball Daniels, and his mates, as I impale them on their own words, or treat it as an entertainment, or you should put me in a killfile until this is over.

Half and halfs and Bushmills was it?

I'm shocked at the suggestion. I had a glass of wine with dinner, after I wrote that. No, putting down the enemies of society is what I do for living, and for fun too.

davethedave

If you're squeamish, get a killfile, Dave. I don't care who I offend when I'm right -- they just prove themselves baddies by being offended by principle -- but I wouldn't want to bore a useful and amusing contributor.

Andre Jute

PS By the way, what is a "half and half"? Is it something like my favourite aperitif of bitter'n'bitter, Campari and indian quinine tonic?

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:05:34 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

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Oh, I've just started. You can either prepare to laugh at the antics of
the scumball Daniels, and his mates, as I impale them on their own
words, or treat it as an entertainment, or you should put me in a
killfile until this is over.

Half and halfs and Bushmills was it?

I'm shocked at the suggestion. I had a glass of wine with dinner, after
I wrote that. No, putting down the enemies of society is what I do for
living, and for fun too.

A Glass of wine! A GLASS of wine. ONE glass. I myself am shocked. There
is only one thing better than a glass of wine with dinner. That's two
glasses. If you look upon a glass as being 250 you get three to a bottle.
It really does at that point seem a shame to leave that one glass in the
bottle.

If you're squeamish, get a killfile, Dave. I don't care who I offend
when I'm right -- they just prove themselves baddies by being offended
by principle -- but I wouldn't want to bore a useful and amusing
contributor.

I don't think you'll ever be boring. Offensive on the other hand.

PS By the way, what is a "half and half"? Is it something like my
favourite aperitif of bitter'n'bitter, Campari and indian quinine tonic?

Based on that I would suggest you try a pink gin. Blackwood's is
fantastic if you can get it. http://blackwoodsgin.net/ The Angostura
bitters sets it off beautifully. As for the half and half it's a Guinness
and pale ale mix. Due to the difference in relative densities of the ale
and the Guinness they come out to be a beautiful colour range. If
carefully poured they can be very beautifully split in the middle. The
rest of the world calls it a black and tan but that never went down too
well in your neck of the woods due to some kind of Churchillian inspired
outfit famed for being a bit over the top in their beating of civilians.

--
davethedave

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:57:37 PM UTC+1, davethedave wrote:

PS By the way, what is a "half and half"? Is it something like my

favourite aperitif of bitter'n'bitter, Campari and indian quinine tonic?

Based on that I would suggest you try a pink gin. Blackwood's is

fantastic if you can get it. http://blackwoodsgin.net/ The Angostura

bitters sets it off beautifully.

The little town I live in is so rich that, besides the extensive liquor sections in the supermarkets and all the quality grocers', we have two fantastic liquor shops. There is nothing, no matter how obscure, that I cannot ask them to find for me. Right now I'm drinking Maury (a grenache liquor, like having a chocolate vine under your window) in the rather limited Mas Amiel variety, of which the local bottle shop got me two vintages. I'll look out for Blackwood's.

As for the half and half it's a Guinness

and pale ale mix. Due to the difference in relative densities of the ale

and the Guinness they come out to be a beautiful colour range. If

carefully poured they can be very beautifully split in the middle.

Mmm, interesting, but because I'm professionally interested in gradations of color, not because I drink either porter or ale. (I didn't drink beer even when I worked for Whitbread, the British brewer.)

The

rest of the world calls it a black and tan but that never went down too

well in your neck of the woods due to some kind of Churchillian inspired

outfit famed for being a bit over the top in their beating of civilians.

Oh, the Blacks and Tans didn't just beat people, they killed them. The remnants of their fort, where they tortured the relatives of people I know to death, is five minutes on foot from where I sit writing this to you, and actually visible from my front door across the river: find the church spire in the trees, follow it down, and there the remaining stones are. I used to sit in the chair in which Michael Collins ate his last meal in the local hotel, until someone disappeared the chair (probably into a private American collection); I often ride out to Beal na Blath, where Collins was shot. Less than 50 paces from my front door is plaque on a wall commemorating the man who most likely organized the assassination of Michael Collins, "General" (in life he never aspired to more than the honorary title Commandant, roughly the equivalent of a major) Tom Barry. An Irish publisher told me a story about him. When she was a little girl, her father published Tom Barry's memoirs. This was back when publishers feared nothing more than a writ for libel. Shortly a writ for libel arrived from Lieutenant-General Percival. He had been the commander of the Blacks and Tans in the local barracks. The old publisher was beside himself with trepidation about a court case he could not win. He called in Tom Barry, who said airily that he would fix it and left. The poor old publisher grew ulcers waiting. My informant was with him about six weeks later when he ran into Barry in the street. "Oh, that's fixed," Barry said. "I wrote to Percival, 'I had you in my sights once. I won't miss a second time.' You won't hear from him again." The publisher didn't. The Irish have long memories: a modern suburb of my town is nicknamed Singapura, a corruption of Singapore, the name celebrating the greatest defeat in the life of General Percival, when he surrendered Singapore to the Japanese in 1942.

Cheers man. I'll see you when I finish taking care of this littles spot of cybernuisance.

Andre Jute

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:48:35 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by
Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the
rec.bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT).

What are you proposing? That he be tried, convicted, and executed in
absentia? The surest sign of success is pollution, and
rec.bicycles.tech is certainly successful[1]. How can you argue with
success?

Perhaps I can use it as a case study in self-delusion and
overweening, entirely unjustified ambition for my grad students,

Let he who is free of self-delusion, arrogance, self aggrandizement,
off topic postings, failure to follow the newsgroup charter, and is
further lacking in tact, humility, grace, tolerance, footnotes, and a
Latin spelling chequer, cast the first stone. (Note: I don't
qualify).

as I did the earlier attempts of the Magnequest Scum to take
over rec. audio.tubes (RAT).

Did it work?

Andre Jute
Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res

It's "Suavitor in modo, fortiter in res".
Gently in manner, resolutely in action. To do unhesitatingly
what must be done but accomplishing it as inoffensively as
possible.
Inoffensive? Surely you jest.


[1] At the bottom of every dumpster is a diamond. The problem is
that few want to wade through all the garbage in the dumpster to find
it.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

no problem

On May 12, 2:48*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT).

Only k00ks start threads about other posters...
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- gpsman

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:06:40 PM UTC-4, gpsman wrote:
On May 12, 2:48*pm, Andre Jute wrote:

I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT).



Only k00ks start threads about other posters...

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- gpsman

Or Trolls.

Cheers

On May 12, 11:53*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:57:37 PM UTC+1, davethedave wrote:
PS By the way, what is a "half and half"? Is it something like my

favourite aperitif of bitter'n'bitter, Campari and indian quinine tonic?

Based on that I would suggest you try a pink gin. Blackwood's is

fantastic if you can get it.http://blackwoodsgin.net/The Angostura

bitters sets it off beautifully.

The little town I live in is so rich that, besides the extensive liquor sections in the supermarkets and all the quality grocers', we have two fantastic liquor shops. There is nothing, no matter how obscure, that I cannot ask them to find for me. Right now I'm drinking Maury (a grenache liquor, like having a chocolate vine under your window) in the rather limited Mas Amiel variety, of which the local bottle shop got me two vintages. I'll look out for Blackwood's.

London Hill is a good gin, Cromwell (from Aldi) is probably the same
stuff, at least as "small batch". A good buy if you can get
anything is the old Jamaican Lemon Hart (London address). The name's
been sold on and the new business is targeting US without the Jamaica
rum. It's a few years now (maybe 6), the retailer I went to bought
up the last 5 bottles from the wholesaler for me. Cost me £12ea
about the same as Cockspur, but at least twice the rum. The old
Lamb's Jamaican is similar, but hasn't the same quality. Appleton
VX also had some of the same in it's blend, but it went too light.
Certainly worth it for less than £20. There doesn't seem to be any
real dunder styles on the mass market and £50 a bottle from Laing's
(or whoever) is generally over my budget (that is due for
reconsideration :-) )



As for the half and half it's a Guinness

and pale ale mix. Due to the difference in relative densities of the ale

and the Guinness they come out to be a beautiful colour range. If

carefully poured they can be very beautifully split in the middle.

Mmm, interesting, but because I'm professionally interested in gradations of color, not because I drink either porter or ale. (I didn't drink beer even when I worked for Whitbread, the British brewer.)

The

rest of the world calls it a black and tan but that never went down too

well in your neck of the woods due to some kind of Churchillian inspired

outfit famed for being a bit over the top in their *beating of civilians.

Oh, the Blacks and Tans didn't just beat people, they killed them. The remnants of their fort, where they tortured the relatives of people I know to death, is five minutes on foot from where I sit writing this to you, and actually visible from my front door across the river: find the church spire in the trees, follow it down, and there the remaining stones are. I used to sit in the chair in which Michael Collins ate his last meal in the local hotel, until someone disappeared the chair (probably into a private American collection); I often ride out to Beal na Blath, where Collins was shot. Less than 50 paces from my front door is plaque on a wall commemorating the man who most likely organized the assassination of Michael Collins, "General" (in life he never aspired to more than the honorary title Commandant, roughly the equivalent of a major) Tom Barry. An Irish publisher told me a story about him. When she was a little girl, her father published *Tom Barry's memoirs. This was back when publishers feared nothing more than a writ for libel. Shortly a writ for libel arrived from Lieutenant-General Percival.. He had been the commander of the Blacks and Tans in the local barracks. The old publisher was beside himself with trepidation about a court case he could not win. He called in Tom Barry, who said airily that he would fix it and left. The poor old publisher grew ulcers waiting. My informant was with him about six weeks later when he ran into Barry in the street. "Oh, that's fixed," Barry said. "I wrote to Percival, 'I had you in my sights once. I won't miss a second time.' You won't hear from him again." The publisher didn't. The Irish have long memories: a modern suburb of my town is nicknamed Singapura, a corruption of Singapore, the name celebrating the greatest defeat in the life of General Percival, when he surrendered Singapore to the Japanese in 1942.

Cheers man. I'll see you when I finish taking care of this littles spot of cybernuisance.

Andre Jute

On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:48:43 AM UTC+1, thirty-six wrote:

London Hill is a good gin, Cromwell (from Aldi) is probably the same

stuff, at least as "small batch". A good buy if you can get

anything is the old Jamaican Lemon Hart (London address). The name's

been sold on and the new business is targeting US without the Jamaica

rum. It's a few years now (maybe 6), the retailer I went to bought

up the last 5 bottles from the wholesaler for me. Cost me £12ea

about the same as Cockspur, but at least twice the rum. The old

Lamb's Jamaican is similar, but hasn't the same quality. Appleton

VX also had some of the same in it's blend, but it went too light.

Certainly worth it for less than £20. There doesn't seem to be any

real dunder styles on the mass market and £50 a bottle from Laing's

(or whoever) is generally over my budget (that is due for

reconsideration :-) )

What's "dunker", Trevor?

I don't know anything about rum, except the rawish sort that's drunk with mixers by students, navvies and young women with their pinkies in the air, but £50 for a bottle of, presumably aged, rum strikes me as pricey; you can get really good single malt scotch for less than that, a 75 year old brandy, say Oude Meester from the KWV outside Paarl with maybe enough change for gift wrapping, or several bottles of superb port from Penfold's in Australia, or desert wines from sunny hillsides in Alsace, though maybe not in London, where everything is priced for Saudi tourists. That Maury I mentioned upthread is still only about thirty Euro a bottle, but that stuff carries a premium for extremely limited production; Marks'n'Sparks sell perfectly good Spanish desert wine for under a tenner. Of course, if you're a connoisseur of rum, then nothing but the best will do, and, as you say, you might have to adjust.

Bushmill's was mentioned upthread. A lady for whose book I found a publisher gave me bottle of the single, aged malt made by Bushmill, called Black Bush. I didn't drink Irish whisky and the bottle stood around for twenty years or more until a friend asked if he could taste it. After he exclaimed about the quality, I drank some, and it was like honey, Song of Solomon, stuff of legend. Similarly, I had a case of Jack Daniels that someone sent me as gift stand around around for a quarter-century, but after opening the first bottle it went pretty fast. I used to chill the bottle and drink it for an aperitif, and from an unchilled bottle as a liqueur after dinner.

You know, an innocent, wandering in here, will conclude we're all drunks rather than the truth, that most of us are athletes.

Andre Jute