Tires with best road feel?

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:44:53 PM UTC-7, Simon S Aysdie wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:11:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/7/2015 9:18 PM, wrote:
I was just curious what 700C tires y'all think have the best road feel. Thanks!

retro


Michelin Pro 4

How wide are "23c" and a "25c"? I bought some Maxxis 23c recently that were 22 mm. I did not like that.

Also, has anyone ever picked up the Avocet FasGrip/Carbon 12 design? That was my favorite tired ever. Who actually made that?

I am limiting my concern to clinchers.

Is Avocet still selling tires? Where? They were made by IRC.


-- Jay Beattie.

On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 12:44:50 -0700 (PDT), Simon S Aysdie
wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:11:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/7/2015 9:18 PM, wrote:
I was just curious what 700C tires y'all think have the best road
feel. Thanks!

retro


Michelin Pro 4

How wide are "23c" and a "25c"? I bought some Maxxis 23c recently
that were 22 mm. I did not like that.

Arrgghhhh. pet peeve The "C" does not refer directly to width, it
refers to the bead seat diameter of the rim. It's 700C x width not 700
x (width)C. 700 mm used to refer to the outside diameter of the wheel
and there were three different bead seat diameters for that size: 700A,
700B and 700C. The A size used the narrowest tires and the C size used
the widest (there were also 650A, 650B, 650C and other sizes with the
same suffixes). The 700C size was the familiar 622 mm BSD with a tire
about 40 mm wide. Somehow that ended up being the standard Continental
road rim (while England and the US used 26" and 27" sizes as standard)
so we roadies mostly all ride 700C rims with various width tires- from
18 mm to 50+ mm- even though that used to be the size for utility bikes.
/pet peeve

Also, has anyone ever picked up the Avocet FasGrip/Carbon 12 design?
That was my favorite tired ever. Who actually made that?

IRC in Japan made them. They've been gone for years. Michelin has
taken up the slick tread design. In addition to the slick tread, the
Avocet tires also had a particular rubber compound. Those were good
tires. I also used to like the Michelin Super Comp HD a whole lot and
those are also long gone. Fashion rather than function dictates tire
design, like so many other things in bike design. Cool and hip sells,
old fashioned and stodgy looking doesn't even if the latter works
better.

I am limiting my concern to clinchers.

Consider the Grand Bois line of tires, made by Panaracer. I use the
Paselas and like those; they are fairly inexpensive (unlike the Grand
Bois line) and ride pretty nice. The Grand Bois are highly regarded for
ride quality; I haven't ponied up for them.

On 3/21/2015 11:17 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 12:44:50 -0700 (PDT), Simon S Aysdie
wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:11:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/7/2015 9:18 PM, wrote:
I was just curious what 700C tires y'all think have the best road
feel. Thanks!

retro


Michelin Pro 4

How wide are "23c" and a "25c"? I bought some Maxxis 23c recently
that were 22 mm. I did not like that.

Arrgghhhh. pet peeve The "C" does not refer directly to width, it
refers to the bead seat diameter of the rim. It's 700C x width not 700
x (width)C. 700 mm used to refer to the outside diameter of the wheel
and there were three different bead seat diameters for that size: 700A,
700B and 700C. The A size used the narrowest tires and the C size used
the widest (there were also 650A, 650B, 650C and other sizes with the
same suffixes). The 700C size was the familiar 622 mm BSD with a tire
about 40 mm wide. Somehow that ended up being the standard Continental
road rim (while England and the US used 26" and 27" sizes as standard)
so we roadies mostly all ride 700C rims with various width tires- from
18 mm to 50+ mm- even though that used to be the size for utility bikes.
/pet peeve

Also, has anyone ever picked up the Avocet FasGrip/Carbon 12 design?
That was my favorite tired ever. Who actually made that?

IRC in Japan made them. They've been gone for years. Michelin has
taken up the slick tread design. In addition to the slick tread, the
Avocet tires also had a particular rubber compound. Those were good
tires. I also used to like the Michelin Super Comp HD a whole lot and
those are also long gone. Fashion rather than function dictates tire
design, like so many other things in bike design. Cool and hip sells,
old fashioned and stodgy looking doesn't even if the latter works
better.

I am limiting my concern to clinchers.

Consider the Grand Bois line of tires, made by Panaracer. I use the
Paselas and like those; they are fairly inexpensive (unlike the Grand
Bois line) and ride pretty nice. The Grand Bois are highly regarded for
ride quality; I haven't ponied up for them.


Panaracer (and Gran Bois, Soma, etc labels) products are
indeed nice tires. If you liked the SuperComp Michelins, get
the current Lithion with thicker tread than a Pro 4. Pro 4
are lighter.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hc_expHAJo

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:47:12 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2015 11:17 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

Consider the Grand Bois line of tires, made by Panaracer. I use the
Paselas and like those; they are fairly inexpensive (unlike the Grand
Bois line) and ride pretty nice. The Grand Bois are highly regarded
for ride quality; I haven't ponied up for them.


Panaracer (and Gran Bois, Soma, etc labels) products are indeed nice
tires. If you liked the SuperComp Michelins, get the current Lithion
with thicker tread than a Pro 4. Pro 4 are lighter.

I haven't looked at the Michelin tires since they went rainbow colored a
decade or two ago. The Super Comp HD tires became Synergics, or
something like that, and I liked those too. I'll have a look at the
Lithions. Thanks for the tip, Andrew.

On 3/22/2015 12:03 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:47:12 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2015 11:17 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:

Consider the Grand Bois line of tires, made by Panaracer. I use the
Paselas and like those; they are fairly inexpensive (unlike the Grand
Bois line) and ride pretty nice. The Grand Bois are highly regarded
for ride quality; I haven't ponied up for them.


Panaracer (and Gran Bois, Soma, etc labels) products are indeed nice
tires. If you liked the SuperComp Michelins, get the current Lithion
with thicker tread than a Pro 4. Pro 4 are lighter.

I haven't looked at the Michelin tires since they went rainbow colored a
decade or two ago. The Super Comp HD tires became Synergics, or
something like that, and I liked those too. I'll have a look at the
Lithions. Thanks for the tip, Andrew.


Black or black/grey are always in the lineup.

But hey color costs no more! Accent your boring bike with a
tire stripe:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/QUAT0508.JPG

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

small lines of contrasting color

may offer

small lines between injury and not

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 10:47:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/21/2015 11:17 AM, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 12:44:50 -0700 (PDT), Simon S Aysdie
wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:11:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/7/2015 9:18 PM, wrote:
I was just curious what 700C tires y'all think have the best road
feel. Thanks!

retro


Michelin Pro 4

How wide are "23c" and a "25c"? I bought some Maxxis 23c recently
that were 22 mm. I did not like that.

Arrgghhhh. pet peeve The "C" does not refer directly to width, it
refers to the bead seat diameter of the rim. It's 700C x width not 700
x (width)C. 700 mm used to refer to the outside diameter of the wheel
and there were three different bead seat diameters for that size: 700A,
700B and 700C. The A size used the narrowest tires and the C size used
the widest (there were also 650A, 650B, 650C and other sizes with the
same suffixes). The 700C size was the familiar 622 mm BSD with a tire
about 40 mm wide. Somehow that ended up being the standard Continental
road rim (while England and the US used 26" and 27" sizes as standard)
so we roadies mostly all ride 700C rims with various width tires- from
18 mm to 50+ mm- even though that used to be the size for utility bikes.
/pet peeve

Also, has anyone ever picked up the Avocet FasGrip/Carbon 12 design?
That was my favorite tired ever. Who actually made that?

IRC in Japan made them. They've been gone for years. Michelin has
taken up the slick tread design. In addition to the slick tread, the
Avocet tires also had a particular rubber compound. Those were good
tires. I also used to like the Michelin Super Comp HD a whole lot and
those are also long gone. Fashion rather than function dictates tire
design, like so many other things in bike design. Cool and hip sells,
old fashioned and stodgy looking doesn't even if the latter works
better.

I am limiting my concern to clinchers.

Consider the Grand Bois line of tires, made by Panaracer. I use the
Paselas and like those; they are fairly inexpensive (unlike the Grand
Bois line) and ride pretty nice. The Grand Bois are highly regarded for
ride quality; I haven't ponied up for them.


Panaracer (and Gran Bois, Soma, etc labels) products are
indeed nice tires. If you liked the SuperComp Michelins, get
the current Lithion with thicker tread than a Pro 4. Pro 4
are lighter.

Thanks. I'll try the Pro 4---I like light tires.

On 21/03/15 05:44, Simon S Aysdie wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:11:42 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/7/2015 9:18 PM, wrote:
I was just curious what 700C tires y'all think have the best road
feel. Thanks!

retro


Michelin Pro 4

How wide are "23c" and a "25c"? I bought some Maxxis 23c recently
that were 22 mm. I did not like that.

Also, has anyone ever picked up the Avocet FasGrip/Carbon 12 design?
That was my favorite tired ever. Who actually made that?

I am limiting my concern to clinchers.


I use Michelin Pro 4 Service Course clinchers. The 25mm tyres measure
27mm on my rims, and the rims I have are not wide (std 19mm across the
brake surface).

It doesn't bother me. In fact I like the 27mm tyres on my road bike.

--
JS