Google self driving bicycle

On 10/18/2016 5:14 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:



... we've already experienced a minimalist reaction to excessive bicycle
features in the form of the fixie. Like all such pendulum swings
towards any extreme, they tend to overshoot, such as bicycles without
brakes:
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2008/mar/09/green

So much of this is fashion. And I'm frequently amazed by how uniform
fashion is around the globe - or at least in "westernized" societies.
Fixed gear bikes have been around longer than regular bikes, by far, and
there's very little they do better than more modern bikes. But
somewhere, some stylish guy decided to resurrect the ancient technology
as a fashion statement; and quick as a wink, there were lots of
imitators, each one expressing his unique individuality by conforming to
the precursor hipsters.

Gyro stabilized bicycles are certainly not going to take over the
cycling market. I had hoped they would become an expansion of the
Segway "personal transporter", where a gyro and reversible electric
power might make a bicycle do some rather useful tricks. For example,
following the walking owner while standing on its rear wheel, or
operating safely in reverse.

Um... why??

I'm also watching a slow creep of motorcycle technology find its way
into bicycles, mostly via eBikes. For example:
https://techcrunch.com/2011/02/11/segway-2-0-german-bicycle-on-steriods-comes-to-the-us/
http://www.maketechx.com/erockit-green-bike-project/

Yeah. Bike advocacy groups have begun to struggle with the problems.
Do we work on laws about those things? Where's the fuzzy line
separating "bicycle" from "motorcycle"? Should a vehicle be allowed on
a bike path if it's got pedals and can go 50 mph? It's going to get
complicated.

I've suggested this before, but might as well try again. Put a modern
concept bicycle or the most atrocious example of a stylistic
bicycle-like machine in your showroom.
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=concept+bicycles
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=molded+plastic+bicycle
If that's too much, maybe a life size poster hanging from the wall.
You might sell one to someone with more money than common sense, but
you will get into many conversations with gawkers and loafers, whom
you can then steer in the direction of a more conventional bicycle.

Looking at those designs, I think your showroom would be clogged with
weird geeks and froufrou "product design" students.


--
- Frank Krygowski

UNIFORM ?

gnaw....this is Ohio Myopia.

the world is a war over religious obscurities and Ohio is asshole deep in voter fraud.....these are manifestations of DISUNIFORMITY.

a bicycle has a simple platform. deviations are difficult n often ephemeral.
Fashion isnot involved. Creativity THINK CREATIVITY.

Cincinnati IS A WINNER FOR THE MODAL TRANSPORT SYSTEM FROM apple/Google

On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:05:30 -0500, "W. Wesley Groleau"
wrote:

On 10-18-2016 06:44, Andrew Chaplin wrote:
Don't ask a mariner what a "ton" is, 'cause he'll start talking about
volume.

Short answer: weight of the seawater the vessel can displace.

Nope. That is usually referred to as displacement tonnage. The usual
reference to "tonnage" referring to shipping is a measure of volume.
i.e: "Gross tonnage (GT) is a function of the volume of all of a
ship's enclosed spaces (from keel to funnel) measured to the outside
of the hull framing."

Historically, tonnage was the tax on tuns (casks) of wine that held
954 litres (252 gallons) of wine and weighed 1016 kilograms (2,240
pounds).
--
cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:46:46 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 10/18/2016 5:14 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Gyro stabilized bicycles are certainly not going to take over the
cycling market. I had hoped they would become an expansion of the
Segway "personal transporter", where a gyro and reversible electric
power might make a bicycle do some rather useful tricks. For example,
following the walking owner while standing on its rear wheel, or
operating safely in reverse.

Um... why??

If you have to ask why, you probably don't need one.

Why? Because it's cool. Visualize yourself walking down the street
being followed by your bicycle balanced precariously on its rear
wheel. Extra credit for having the bicycle follow you up some stairs.
That would be my definition of cool, the next big thing, and something
your really don't need, but might be useful. For a rationalized
justification, I can claim that it takes up less floor space on a bus
or train and will not get knocked over. For the kids and crazies, put
foot pegs on the rear axle bolt and ride your bicycle around town as
if it were a Segway.

#begin rant:
This is suppose to be a technical group, not a conservative and often
reactionary group dedicated to the preservation of the existing
paradigm. Use your imagination and never mind if it's useful. If
people want it, they will come.
#end rant:

Yeah. Bike advocacy groups have begun to struggle with the problems.
Do we work on laws about those things? Where's the fuzzy line
separating "bicycle" from "motorcycle"? Should a vehicle be allowed on
a bike path if it's got pedals and can go 50 mph? It's going to get
complicated.

It's not going to get complicated... it already is complexicated.

I don't see a problem. The legal distinction is usually by
horsepower:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_definition_of_motorcycle
It does vary by jurisdiction. For example, the moped (49cc) is
somewhat of a mess:
http://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Moped_laws
We've been here before with mopeds, scooters, motorized bicycles,
trikes, offroad, and steampunk vehicles. Now we can make the same
mess with eBikes. Bicycles have enjoyed a somewhat protected status
by having their own lane, but that may change.

Looking at those designs, I think your showroom would be clogged with
weird geeks and froufrou "product design" students.

Sounds like most of my friends and associates. People who look and
act strangely need to have a financial base which allows them to act
weird. They're more likely to have a functional credit card than
someone who looks "normal", at least up to the age where they are
expected to set an example for their children. Since they don't have
many financial entanglements (kids, mortgage, insurance, payments,
etc), they have a large disposable income. Don't pass premature
judgment and just follow the money.

Incidentally, concept bicycles and artistic designs are fairly easy to
create. All it takes is a good imagination, some artistic talent, and
some controlled substances for inspiration. The son of a friend was
one of these and was hired directly out of college by a prestigious
design group. He lasted about 3 years and burned out. His problem
was that he didn't know how to make his designs buildable, practical,
ergonomic, standards compliant, legal, safe, and economical. I would
guess about 5% of the problem is in the initial design with the rest
mired in the mundane drudgery of the details. I wouldn't worry much
about the geeks and froufrou designing your next bicycle.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 10:15:56 PM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:01:11 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:
Thanks for the links to gyrobikes -- or should that be gyrobykes?

Ummm... I think I see a different problem with gyrobike:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=gyro

Make mine pastrami on rye.

Mazel tov. That's not a genuine Greek gyro.
http://nyupress.org/books/9780814760314/
I grew up on the stuff in the garment district of Smog Angeles. One
of the oddities was watching the Jewish merchants sell out to new
immigrants that were willing to work long hours for miserable profits.
One memorable occasion was walking into a Fairfax Ave deli and being
greeted by the Korean proprietor in perfect Yiddish.

I'll eat it at the drawing board while I think up a new name.

What's a drawing board? I still have my T-square, triangles, drafting
machine, and such, but the drawing board initially was replaced by a
light table, and currently by computah and plotter. I used to have a
large white board, which I guess could be considered a vertical
drawing board.

Stabicycle
Erect-o-cycle
Upright Rider
Drunk riders friend
Veritgo-cycle

Andre Jute
Sigh

Fee fi fo fum.
See sigh so sum.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 3:49:18 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I'll eat it at the drawing board while I think up a new name.

What's a drawing board? I still have my T-square, triangles, drafting
machine, and such, but the drawing board initially was replaced by a
light table, and currently by computah and plotter. I used to have a
large white board, which I guess could be considered a vertical
drawing board.

Magnetic whiteboard big enough to take an imperial (22x30in) sheet of mouldmade paper, a standard size for watercolour painters, with an ARCA Swiss camera tripod slider glued to the back, attached to a swivelling, rotating head with several bubble levels on a hefty Manfrotto 055 photographic tripod. Very convenient; saves having four or five different board because I just reset this one, and once a year when it is wrecked buy a new whiteboard and quick release slider and a tube of Gorilla glue, and Bob's your uncle.

Stabicycle
Erect-o-cycle
Upright Rider
Drunk riders friend
Veritgo-cycle

Andre Jute
Sigh

Fee fi fo fum.
See sigh so sum.

Izzat Latin? I liked the Korean with perfect Yiddish better. The thriller writer Len Deighton dug up a quote somewhere for one of his books (paraphrased): "If the United States is a madhouse, California is the violent ward." His novel Violent Ward is most amusing.

Referring to the flea you put in Krygowski's ear, actually I'm always interested novel bicycle components, though admittedly only the uniquely useful and very well made make it onto my bike, and not all of those survive long. My entire bike is an experiment in adapting an interwar design (Locomotief Crossframe De Luxe, 1936, after the war continued by Gazelle until 1963) to modern extreme usage and components, in using balloons, in extending cycling to geriatrics; some of the components which are now pretty common appeared on my bike first, for instance the Rohloff gearbox; some of the components I fitted first are now common, like the Chainglider, and some are especially useful but so rare they're almost off the market like the n'lock steering lock which makes my bike nearly impossible to steal even when it isn't chained to anything. Of course, it would not be polite to ask what components which went into the bin cost over the years...the bane of the pioneer is beancounters.

Andre Jute
Don't call to offer me money. To take any more today would betray my socialist principles.

Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 3:49:18 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I'll eat it at the drawing board while I think up a new name.

What's a drawing board? I still have my T-square, triangles, drafting
machine, and such, but the drawing board initially was replaced by a
light table, and currently by computah and plotter. I used to have a
large white board, which I guess could be considered a vertical
drawing board.

Magnetic whiteboard big enough to take an imperial (22x30in) sheet of
mouldmade paper, a standard size for watercolour painters, with an ARCA
Swiss camera tripod slider glued to the back, attached to a swivelling,
rotating head with several bubble levels on a hefty Manfrotto 055
photographic tripod. Very convenient; saves having four or five different
board because I just reset this one, and once a year when it is wrecked
buy a new whiteboard and quick release slider and a tube of Gorilla glue,
and Bob's your uncle.

Stabicycle
Erect-o-cycle
Upright Rider
Drunk riders friend
Veritgo-cycle

Andre Jute
Sigh

Fee fi fo fum.
See sigh so sum.

Izzat Latin? I liked the Korean with perfect Yiddish better. The thriller
writer Len Deighton dug up a quote somewhere for one of his books
(paraphrased): "If the United States is a madhouse, California is the
violent ward." His novel Violent Ward is most amusing.

Referring to the flea you put in Krygowski's ear, actually I'm always
interested novel bicycle components, though admittedly only the uniquely
useful and very well made make it onto my bike, and not all of those
survive long. My entire bike is an experiment in adapting an interwar
design (Locomotief Crossframe De Luxe, 1936, after the war continued by
Gazelle until 1963) to modern extreme usage and components, in using
balloons, in extending cycling to geriatrics; some of the components
which are now pretty common appeared on my bike first, for instance the
Rohloff gearbox; some of the components I fitted first are now common,
like the Chainglider, and some are especially useful but so rare they're
almost off the market like the n'lock steering lock which makes my bike
nearly impossible to steal even when it isn't chained to anything. Of
course, it would not be polite to ask what components which went into the
bin cost over the years...the bane of the pioneer is beancounters.

Andre Jute
Don't call to offer me money. To take any more today would betray my socialist principles.


A concept doesn't have to be useful to be interesting. In fact it's often
the opposite.

--
duane

https://www.google.com/search?client...=3 60&bih=560

Andy will explain how ShiMano moved ahead...

Control ....as opposed to Cal generally ... is opposite of the areas growth.


A benign earthquake in transportation where all trains on same track run in similar directions.

So why is Goo harassing me with instant audio harassment when I access Utube instructional videos ?

zoom zoom zoom

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 11:21:24 AM UTC+1, Duane wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 3:49:18 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I'll eat it at the drawing board while I think up a new name.

What's a drawing board? I still have my T-square, triangles, drafting
machine, and such, but the drawing board initially was replaced by a
light table, and currently by computah and plotter. I used to have a
large white board, which I guess could be considered a vertical
drawing board.

Magnetic whiteboard big enough to take an imperial (22x30in) sheet of
mouldmade paper, a standard size for watercolour painters, with an ARCA
Swiss camera tripod slider glued to the back, attached to a swivelling,
rotating head with several bubble levels on a hefty Manfrotto 055
photographic tripod. Very convenient; saves having four or five different
board because I just reset this one, and once a year when it is wrecked
buy a new whiteboard and quick release slider and a tube of Gorilla glue,
and Bob's your uncle.

Stabicycle
Erect-o-cycle
Upright Rider
Drunk riders friend
Veritgo-cycle

Andre Jute
Sigh

Fee fi fo fum.
See sigh so sum.

Izzat Latin? I liked the Korean with perfect Yiddish better. The thriller
writer Len Deighton dug up a quote somewhere for one of his books
(paraphrased): "If the United States is a madhouse, California is the
violent ward." His novel Violent Ward is most amusing.

Referring to the flea you put in Krygowski's ear, actually I'm always
interested novel bicycle components, though admittedly only the uniquely
useful and very well made make it onto my bike, and not all of those
survive long. My entire bike is an experiment in adapting an interwar
design (Locomotief Crossframe De Luxe, 1936, after the war continued by
Gazelle until 1963) to modern extreme usage and components, in using
balloons, in extending cycling to geriatrics; some of the components
which are now pretty common appeared on my bike first, for instance the
Rohloff gearbox; some of the components I fitted first are now common,
like the Chainglider, and some are especially useful but so rare they're
almost off the market like the n'lock steering lock which makes my bike
nearly impossible to steal even when it isn't chained to anything. Of
course, it would not be polite to ask what components which went into the
bin cost over the years...the bane of the pioneer is beancounters.

Andre Jute
Don't call to offer me money. To take any more today would betray my socialist principles.


A concept doesn't have to be useful to be interesting. In fact it's often
the opposite.

--
duane

That's the triumph of hope over experience, Duane. -- AJ

Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 11:21:24 AM UTC+1, Duane wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 3:49:18 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

I'll eat it at the drawing board while I think up a new name.

What's a drawing board? I still have my T-square, triangles, drafting
machine, and such, but the drawing board initially was replaced by a
light table, and currently by computah and plotter. I used to have a
large white board, which I guess could be considered a vertical
drawing board.

Magnetic whiteboard big enough to take an imperial (22x30in) sheet of
mouldmade paper, a standard size for watercolour painters, with an ARCA
Swiss camera tripod slider glued to the back, attached to a swivelling,
rotating head with several bubble levels on a hefty Manfrotto 055
photographic tripod. Very convenient; saves having four or five different
board because I just reset this one, and once a year when it is wrecked
buy a new whiteboard and quick release slider and a tube of Gorilla glue,
and Bob's your uncle.

Stabicycle
Erect-o-cycle
Upright Rider
Drunk riders friend
Veritgo-cycle

Andre Jute
Sigh

Fee fi fo fum.
See sigh so sum.

Izzat Latin? I liked the Korean with perfect Yiddish better. The thriller
writer Len Deighton dug up a quote somewhere for one of his books
(paraphrased): "If the United States is a madhouse, California is the
violent ward." His novel Violent Ward is most amusing.

Referring to the flea you put in Krygowski's ear, actually I'm always
interested novel bicycle components, though admittedly only the uniquely
useful and very well made make it onto my bike, and not all of those
survive long. My entire bike is an experiment in adapting an interwar
design (Locomotief Crossframe De Luxe, 1936, after the war continued by
Gazelle until 1963) to modern extreme usage and components, in using
balloons, in extending cycling to geriatrics; some of the components
which are now pretty common appeared on my bike first, for instance the
Rohloff gearbox; some of the components I fitted first are now common,
like the Chainglider, and some are especially useful but so rare they're
almost off the market like the n'lock steering lock which makes my bike
nearly impossible to steal even when it isn't chained to anything. Of
course, it would not be polite to ask what components which went into the
bin cost over the years...the bane of the pioneer is beancounters.

Andre Jute
Don't call to offer me money. To take any more today would betray my
socialist principles.


A concept doesn't have to be useful to be interesting. In fact it's often
the opposite.

--
duane

That's the triumph of hope over experience, Duane. -- AJ


Some call it art, Andre.

--
duane