Steel Frames and Tire Wear

Hey, remember that this is a bicycle group? We don't need Lieberman telling us that rounding off isn't close enough or Frank who is a good engineer telling us about global warming that he doesn't understand or DATATROLL telling us the liberal lines over and over.

One of the things I'm been noticing and the thing that you people are more likely to know something about is the following:

On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

Yesterday I did a quick (relatively) 32 miles ride with about 1/3rd of that climbing over 6% - 13% climbing. As I was returning home I started wondering how long before my tires wore out and much to my surprise the tires are round still. And I have to have 1,500 miles on them which is about as much as I've gotten out of them (Gatorskins) since I came-to in 2012. The only thing I remember from before my injury concerning tire wear was that Specialized Armadillos were much better because they wore slightly better but they cornered a hell of a lot better.

So can anyone explain this?

On 05/12/2016 11:51 AM, wrote:
Hey, remember that this is a bicycle group? We don't need Lieberman telling us that rounding off isn't close enough or Frank who is a good engineer telling us about global warming that he doesn't understand or DATATROLL telling us the liberal lines over and over.


Good.

One of the things I'm been noticing and the thing that you people are more likely to know something about is the following:

On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

I don't think so. My bike (CF) is on a trainer in the winter and last
season I had replaced a tire on my last ride. Usually, I would wear out
the remainder of the tire on the trainer so I didn't pay attention but
this time in the spring I noticed the flat spot on my tire. So no, I
don't think it has anything to do with cornering. At least not
exclusively. I use Spec Pro 23mm tires on HED wheels.

BTW, I also bought a trainer tire to avoid this happening again...



Yesterday I did a quick (relatively) 32 miles ride with about 1/3rd of that climbing over 6% - 13% climbing. As I was returning home I started wondering how long before my tires wore out and much to my surprise the tires are round still. And I have to have 1,500 miles on them which is about as much as I've gotten out of them (Gatorskins) since I came-to in 2012. The only thing I remember from before my injury concerning tire wear was that Specialized Armadillos were much better because they wore slightly better but they cornered a hell of a lot better.

So can anyone explain this?

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 8:51:20 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Hey, remember that this is a bicycle group? We don't need Lieberman telling us that rounding off isn't close enough or Frank who is a good engineer telling us about global warming that he doesn't understand or DATATROLL telling us the liberal lines over and over.

One of the things I'm been noticing and the thing that you people are more likely to know something about is the following:

On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

Yesterday I did a quick (relatively) 32 miles ride with about 1/3rd of that climbing over 6% - 13% climbing. As I was returning home I started wondering how long before my tires wore out and much to my surprise the tires are round still. And I have to have 1,500 miles on them which is about as much as I've gotten out of them (Gatorskins) since I came-to in 2012. The only thing I remember from before my injury concerning tire wear was that Specialized Armadillos were much better because they wore slightly better but they cornered a hell of a lot better.

So can anyone explain this?

We don't believe a word of it in the first place. Send measurements of the roundness of the wear on the steel bike, and the flat spot on the tire on the CF bike, and get your measuring device in the pix.

Send also proof of the mileage of the bikes, and that the tires that are on them have been on them for their entire lives so far.
And explain what the fact that you rode 32 miles relatively quickly the other day has to do with anything whatsoever.

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:51:20 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

For the last 25 years or so all professional bike riders have been using carbon bikes. Steel has not been used since the 1980s I think. All the pros go 50 mph down the mountains cornering through the switchbacks. If you go watch a local criterium in your town you will see all the riders using carbon bikes. Maybe one aluminum too. Never any steel bikes, ever. How can they get around all the turns in a criterium race if their bikes corner so poorly?

You are just making up, imagining nonsense.

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:54:42 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:51:20 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

For the last 25 years or so all professional bike riders have been using carbon bikes. Steel has not been used since the 1980s I think. All the pros go 50 mph down the mountains cornering through the switchbacks. If you go watch a local criterium in your town you will see all the riders using carbon bikes. Maybe one aluminum too. Never any steel bikes, ever. How can they get around all the turns in a criterium race if their bikes corner so poorly?

You are just making up, imagining nonsense.

Clearly a case of old age senility

On 05/12/2016 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:51:20 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

For the last 25 years or so all professional bike riders have been using carbon bikes. Steel has not been used since the 1980s I think. All the pros go 50 mph down the mountains cornering through the switchbacks. If you go watch a local criterium in your town you will see all the riders using carbon bikes. Maybe one aluminum too. Never any steel bikes, ever. How can they get around all the turns in a criterium race if their bikes corner so poorly?

You are just making up, imagining nonsense.


Yeah, I sort of missed that part. I thought he was saying it was
something to do with cornering that made the tire wear flat not that the
CF bikes were so poor in cornering that people didn't use them the same.
This bike corners better than any bike I've had including the steel
one I just sold.

My "guess" would be the wheels and tire choices have more to do with how
a bike corners than what the frame material is.

On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:05:10 AM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:54:42 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:51:20 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

For the last 25 years or so all professional bike riders have been using carbon bikes. Steel has not been used since the 1980s I think. All the pros go 50 mph down the mountains cornering through the switchbacks. If you go watch a local criterium in your town you will see all the riders using carbon bikes. Maybe one aluminum too. Never any steel bikes, ever. How can they get around all the turns in a criterium race if their bikes corner so poorly?

You are just making up, imagining nonsense.

Clearly a case of old age senility

Except that it's been going on for 20 years. I think Tom was posting in the Unix days, and always the same sort of creative expression and originality of thought (my mother taught me to be polite).

-- Jay Beattie.

Op maandag 5 december 2016 18:23:22 UTC+1 schreef Duane:
On 05/12/2016 11:51 AM, wrote:
Hey, remember that this is a bicycle group? We don't need Lieberman telling us that rounding off isn't close enough or Frank who is a good engineer telling us about global warming that he doesn't understand or DATATROLL telling us the liberal lines over and over.


Good.

One of the things I'm been noticing and the thing that you people are more likely to know something about is the following:

On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

I don't think so. My bike (CF) is on a trainer in the winter and last
season I had replaced a tire on my last ride. Usually, I would wear out
the remainder of the tire on the trainer so I didn't pay attention but
this time in the spring I noticed the flat spot on my tire. So no, I
don't think it has anything to do with cornering. At least not
exclusively. I use Spec Pro 23mm tires on HED wheels.

BTW, I also bought a trainer tire to avoid this happening again...



Yesterday I did a quick (relatively) 32 miles ride with about 1/3rd of that climbing over 6% - 13% climbing. As I was returning home I started wondering how long before my tires wore out and much to my surprise the tires are round still. And I have to have 1,500 miles on them which is about as much as I've gotten out of them (Gatorskins) since I came-to in 2012. The only thing I remember from before my injury concerning tire wear was that Specialized Armadillos were much better because they wore slightly better but they cornered a hell of a lot better.

So can anyone explain this?


Your efforts to get scientific justification for your steel frames preference is getting weirder and weirder.

Lou

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On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 1:10:21 PM UTC-5, Duane wrote:
On 05/12/2016 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:51:20 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On my carbon fiber frames the tires would wear flat on the road surfaces. But on the steel frames they appear to wear round. Would you suppose because the steel frames give you more confidence in cornering so that the tires are banked over a good deal of the time going through turns?

For the last 25 years or so all professional bike riders have been using carbon bikes. Steel has not been used since the 1980s I think. All the pros go 50 mph down the mountains cornering through the switchbacks. If you go watch a local criterium in your town you will see all the riders using carbon bikes. Maybe one aluminum too. Never any steel bikes, ever. How can they get around all the turns in a criterium race if their bikes corner so poorly?

You are just making up, imagining nonsense.


Yeah, I sort of missed that part. I thought he was saying it was
something to do with cornering that made the tire wear flat not that the
CF bikes were so poor in cornering that people didn't use them the same.
This bike corners better than any bike I've had including the steel
one I just sold.

My "guess" would be the wheels and tire choices have more to do with how
a bike corners than what the frame material is.

? maybe.....take another look at the geometry's geometry