Cop Blocks Bike Lane To Ticket Cyclists For Not Using Lane

Am 31.10.2010 16:23, schrieb SMS:
http://gothamist.com/2010/10/27/cop_blocks_bike_lane_to_ticket_cycl.php

You are obliged to use bike lanes in NY? What kind of stupid highway
code is that?

Well, let that stupid NYPD go to court with that ...

Jens

On 11/3/2010 11:28 AM, Jens Müller wrote:
Am 31.10.2010 16:23, schrieb SMS:
http://gothamist.com/2010/10/27/cop_blocks_bike_lane_to_ticket_cycl.php

You are obliged to use bike lanes in NY? What kind of stupid highway
code is that?

Build sidepaths, and the mandatory use laws will follow.

Well, let that stupid NYPD go to court with that ...

The courts may throw out convictions if the police misbehave too badly,
but there are usually no other sanctions, particularly as regards the
individual wrongdoer.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

Am 04.11.2010 10:03, schrieb Tom Sherman °_°:
On 11/3/2010 11:28 AM, Jens Müller wrote:
Am 31.10.2010 16:23, schrieb SMS:
http://gothamist.com/2010/10/27/cop_blocks_bike_lane_to_ticket_cycl.php

You are obliged to use bike lanes in NY? What kind of stupid highway
code is that?

Build sidepaths, and the mandatory use laws will follow.

In Germany we have totally stupid laws.

There are mandatory cycle lanes, which are basically cycleways on the
carriageway.

And there are so-called "protection stripes/lanes". The law says nowhere
that cyclists have to use them. It even says that drivers (not: "other
drivers") are only allowed to use them when cyclists are not put in
danger ... Some semi-official interpretation says that cyclists have to
use them because of the duty to drive on the right, but most protection
lanes are not wide enough.

But there are also non-mandatory lanes/ways, and you can go to
administrative court to have the sign removed.

Well, let that stupid NYPD go to court with that ...

The courts may throw out convictions if the police misbehave too badly,
but there are usually no other sanctions, particularly as regards the
individual wrongdoer.


I meant let the NYPD go to court with their ticket. Well, I'm not
familiar with US procedural law for violations. Maybe the assumed
offender has to take it to the court?

Jens

On 11/4/2010 10:06 AM, Jens Müller wrote:
Am 04.11.2010 10:03, schrieb Tom Sherman °_°:
On 11/3/2010 11:28 AM, Jens Müller wrote:
Am 31.10.2010 16:23, schrieb SMS:
http://gothamist.com/2010/10/27/cop_blocks_bike_lane_to_ticket_cycl.php

You are obliged to use bike lanes in NY? What kind of stupid highway
code is that?

Build sidepaths, and the mandatory use laws will follow.

In Germany we have totally stupid laws.

There are mandatory cycle lanes, which are basically cycleways on the
carriageway.

And there are so-called "protection stripes/lanes". The law says nowhere
that cyclists have to use them. It even says that drivers (not: "other
drivers") are only allowed to use them when cyclists are not put in
danger ... Some semi-official interpretation says that cyclists have to
use them because of the duty to drive on the right, but most protection
lanes are not wide enough.

But there are also non-mandatory lanes/ways, and you can go to
administrative court to have the sign removed.

Well, let that stupid NYPD go to court with that ...

The courts may throw out convictions if the police misbehave too badly,
but there are usually no other sanctions, particularly as regards the
individual wrongdoer.


I meant let the NYPD go to court with their ticket. Well, I'm not
familiar with US procedural law for violations. Maybe the assumed
offender has to take it to the court?

For a minor violation, the ticketed person can just pay the fine, but
has to go to court if he/she wants to proves his/her lack of guilt and
avoid the fine. However, even if found not guilty, there is no
compensation for time and legal costs[1], and no sanctions against the
police, even if the police were behaving in an illegal manner.

[1] The USian judicial system is heavily biased in favor of the rich.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message
...
[...]
For a minor violation, the ticketed person can just pay the fine, but has
to go to court if he/she wants to proves his/her lack of guilt and avoid
the fine. However, even if found not guilty, there is no compensation for
time and legal costs[1], and no sanctions against the police, even if the
police were behaving in an illegal manner.

[1] The USian judicial system is heavily biased in favor of the rich.

Most violators and criminals are trash of various skin hues. All that
matters to me is that the judicial system be heavily biased against them.
Either that, or it is off to the Spanish Inquisition where just deserts are
readily served to the wicked.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On 11/4/2010 8:44 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"Tom Sherman wrote in message
...
[...]
For a minor violation, the ticketed person can just pay the fine, but has
to go to court if he/she wants to proves his/her lack of guilt and avoid
the fine. However, even if found not guilty, there is no compensation for
time and legal costs[1], and no sanctions against the police, even if the
police were behaving in an illegal manner.

[1] The USian judicial system is heavily biased in favor of the rich.

Most violators and criminals are trash of various skin hues. All that
matters to me is that the judicial system be heavily biased against them.

Ed is trolling again.

Either that, or it is off to the Spanish Inquisition where just deserts are
readily served to the wicked.

Nobody expects the..., oh bugger!

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

Am 05.11.2010 02:08, schrieb Tom Sherman °_°:
For a minor violation, the ticketed person can just pay the fine, but
has to go to court if he/she wants to proves his/her lack of guilt and
avoid the fine. However, even if found not guilty, there is no
compensation for time and legal costs[1], and no sanctions against the
police, even if the police were behaving in an illegal manner.

[1] The USian judicial system is heavily biased in favor of the rich.

I don't know what Dienstaufsichtsbeschwerde is in English (LEO suggest
either disciplinary or formal complaint). You can always file that, it's
free of cost, and will cause some paperwork for the officer in question.

Jens

On Nov 3, 11:28*am, Jens Müller wrote:
Am 31.10.2010 16:23, schrieb SMS:

http://gothamist.com/2010/10/27/cop_blocks_bike_lane_to_ticket_cycl.php

You are obliged to use bike lanes in NY? What kind of stupid highway
code is that?

Well, let that stupid NYPD go to court with that ...

Jens

Circle around the block, the ride ON the police car. Hopefully a
broken light or dented body part will result.

On Nov 5, 4:09*am, Jens Müller wrote:
Am 05.11.2010 02:08, schrieb Tom Sherman °_°:

For a minor violation, the ticketed person can just pay the fine, but
has to go to court if he/she wants to proves his/her lack of guilt and
avoid the fine. *However, even if found not guilty, there is no
compensation for time and legal costs[1], and no sanctions against the
police, even if the police were behaving in an illegal manner.

[1] The USian judicial system is heavily biased in favor of the rich.

I don't know what Dienstaufsichtsbeschwerde is in English (LEO suggest
either disciplinary or formal complaint). You can always file that, it's
free of cost, and will cause some paperwork for the officer in question.

Jens

According to Google Translate it is Discipliniary Complaint. The
process for that in the US is convoluted and varies from city to city,
and in some cities has to rise to felony crimes to be considered. NYC
has one of the better complaint systems and even whith pictures and
video like in this case getting results is like pulling teeth. Just
consider the Pagan assault from 2008 on the CM rider, had there not
been a video of him tackling the rider off his moving bike most likely
the charges against the cyclist for assaulting an officer would have
been upheld in spite of several witness's statements that Pogan
tackled the cyclist off a moving bike not the cyclist assaulted the
officer.

On Nov 4, 9:08*pm, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote:
On 11/4/2010 10:06 AM, Jens Müller wrote:

Am 04.11.2010 10:03, schrieb Tom Sherman °_°:
On 11/3/2010 11:28 AM, Jens Müller wrote:
Am 31.10.2010 16:23, schrieb SMS:
http://gothamist.com/2010/10/27/cop_blocks_bike_lane_to_ticket_cycl..php

You are obliged to use bike lanes in NY? What kind of stupid highway
code is that?

Build sidepaths, and the mandatory use laws will follow.

In Germany we have totally stupid laws.

There are mandatory cycle lanes, which are basically cycleways on the
carriageway.

And there are so-called "protection stripes/lanes". The law says nowhere
that cyclists have to use them. It even says that drivers (not: "other
drivers") are only allowed to use them when cyclists are not put in
danger ... Some semi-official interpretation says that cyclists have to
use them because of the duty to drive on the right, but most protection
lanes are not wide enough.

But there are *also non-mandatory lanes/ways, and you can go to
administrative court to have the sign removed.

Well, let that stupid NYPD go to court with that ...

The courts may throw out convictions if the police misbehave too badly,
but there are usually no other sanctions, particularly as regards the
individual wrongdoer.

I meant let the NYPD go to court with their ticket. Well, I'm not
familiar with US procedural law for violations. Maybe the assumed
offender has to take it to the court?

For a minor violation, the ticketed person can just pay the fine, but
has to go to court if he/she wants to proves his/her lack of guilt and
avoid the fine. *However, even if found not guilty, there is no
compensation for time and legal costs[1], and no sanctions against the
police, even if the police were behaving in an illegal manner.

[1] The USian judicial system is heavily biased in favor of the rich.

Thank you. At last I get some redemption.

And let me guess, the rich drive SUVs and the poor bicyles.

Well, some minority does it for doing the right thing and health, but
that's only a minority. Well-off cyclists though use it for hobby.

It almost sounds like CLASS STRUGGLE, right?