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On Jan 6, 7:01*pm, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote: Tim McNamara wrote: "We're good, everybody else is bad." *That's an underlying belief in almost all religions and most "isms." *Maybe not Buddhism. That is why I belong to the Church of RANS. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I believe in the Church of Common Sense, thus I'm the Tibetan Monkey. |
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OT - Obama
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The best thing that could happen that would convince you that the war on terrorism is real is if some of them would show up in your neighborhood and blow your dumb ass sky high! al Qaeda in Iowa blows up a grain elevator! Whoo Hoo! /sarcasm The purpose of Islamic terrorism is to sow fear among the populace, not necessarily to blow up anything that matters. "Islamic terrorism" is an oxymoron, since Islam does not condone terrorism. Like all religions, there are those who preach false beliefs to advance a heretical agenda. Islam actually does condone terrorism. In fact, it is a religion of war, not peace. Anyone but me ever notice how silent the so-called Muslim majority is about Muslims killing Christians? How about a Muslim terrorist goes to an Iowa football game, blows himself up and takes several hundred Iowans with him. Think that might bring you to your senses? [...] More likely an Iowa State fan being a suicide bomber at Kinnick Stadium. You cannot compare an individual killer with a group dedicated to killing another group. It is apples and oranges. The trouble with the above is that the elites only number in a few hundreds of thousands, whereas everyone else numbers in the hundreds of millions. Numbers count more in the end than the wealth of the few. Really Ed? History says differently. There is short run history and there is long run history. If and when things get bad enough, you can count on change. I refer you to the Bolshevik revolution in Czarist Russia of 1917, although the classic case for most of the rest of us is the French Revolution of 1789-1799. In the Lenninist revolutions, the aristocracy is merely replaced by another authoritarian class. What Lenin, Mao, et al practiced was not true Communism/Marxism. You are quite wrong about that. It was the most serious attempt ever in the history of mankind to have the proletariat rule. Too bad for you that they turned out to be nothing but thugs and killers. But that is the proletariat for you. Union leaders mostly fall into this type also - thugs and killers. You must get over your envy of the wealthy. See my other post to disabuse yourself of this false conclusion. You should know by now that I never go to any other posts. Each and every post must be complete in and of itself. They can choke on their money for all I care as long as I have a modicum of freedom to live my life as I please. I think that is the attitude of most folks. Always remember, the best things in life are free! Wealth is freedom in US society. Lack of wealth is servitude to the rich. You do need enough income so that you are not constantly thinking about it all the time. But that is an easy threshold to meet. It is not the rich that is the source of our troubles, but rather ourselves. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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AMuzi wrote:
-snip- Tom Sherman °_° wrote: "Islamic terrorism" is an oxymoron, since Islam does not condone terrorism. Like all religions, there are those who preach false beliefs to advance a heretical agenda. "the Prophet Muhammad said that when Judgment Day draws near, the final war between the Muslims and the Jews will take place. The Prophet said that the Muslims would kill the Jews. " 'Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.' The Muslims will kill the Jews. Be patient. All the trees and all the stones will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him ...' " Koran: 2:10 Disbelievers are diseased. 2:99 Disbelievers are evil people. 2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind. 3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers. 3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:48 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:101 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 Jews and Christians are losers. 5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine. 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people. 5:57 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 6:106 Stay away from disbelievers. 8:55 The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. ** 9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them. ** 9:28 Disbelievers are unclean. 9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them. I'm disappointed that you would cut & paste such propaganda from some hate-mongering source without vetting it. That's low even by the standards of this group. |
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"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Tim McNamara wrote: "We're good, everybody else is bad." That's an underlying belief in almost all religions and most "isms." Maybe not Buddhism. Tim McNamara could not sum up his own ass! That is why I belong to the Church of RANS. Mr. Sherman, instead of resorting to idiotic quips, needed to answer the post of AMuzi. But Mr. Sherman is always out to lunch when challenged. It is ever the hallmark of a coward. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Jan 6, 9:01*pm, * Still Just Me *
wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 20:53:17 -0800 (PST), Ron Wallenfang wrote: But I'm not expecting the day to come in my lifetime, when I can bicycle between Mecca and Medina to worship Christ. You'll have to wait for the third crusade, when the knights make pilgrimage through the Holy Lands safe again. I say we deploy the New Templars at Tyre, and work from there. We just launch wars to take back the oil from the infidels. But they are welcome to work with us. |
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On Jan 7, 7:35*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
Islam actually does condone terrorism. In fact, it is a religion of war, not peace. Anyone but me ever notice how silent the so-called Muslim majority is about Muslims killing Christians? It may be that they are a religion of war and we are a religion of business. |
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"Peter Cole" wrote in message ... AMuzi wrote: -snip- Tom Sherman °_° wrote: "Islamic terrorism" is an oxymoron, since Islam does not condone terrorism. Like all religions, there are those who preach false beliefs to advance a heretical agenda. "the Prophet Muhammad said that when Judgment Day draws near, the final war between the Muslims and the Jews will take place. The Prophet said that the Muslims would kill the Jews. " 'Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.' The Muslims will kill the Jews. Be patient. All the trees and all the stones will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him ...' " Koran: 2:10 Disbelievers are diseased. 2:99 Disbelievers are evil people. 2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind. 3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers. 3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:48 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:101 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 Jews and Christians are losers. 5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine. 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people. 5:57 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 6:106 Stay away from disbelievers. 8:55 The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. ** 9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them. ** 9:28 Disbelievers are unclean. 9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them. I'm disappointed that you would cut & paste such propaganda from some hate-mongering source without vetting it. That's low even by the standards of this group. Nonsense! Both AMuzi and I have read the complete Koran in the original Arabic. Only Mr. Sherman spouts off without ever knowing what he is talking about. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Tim McNamara wrote:
"We're good, everybody else is bad." That's an underlying belief in almost all religions and most "isms." Maybe not Buddhism. Tom Sherman °_° wrote: That is why I belong to the Church of RANS. Oh yeah? The Flying Spaghetti Monster thinks you are a heretic! -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Ron Wallenfang wrote:
On Jan 6, 8:57 pm, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , AMuzi wrote: -snip- Tom Sherman _ wrote: "Islamic terrorism" is an oxymoron, since Islam does not condone terrorism. Like all religions, there are those who preach false beliefs to advance a heretical agenda. "the Prophet Muhammad said that when Judgment Day draws near, the final war between the Muslims and the Jews will take place. The Prophet said that the Muslims would kill the Jews. " 'Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.' The Muslims will kill the Jews. Be patient. All the trees and all the stones will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him ...' " Koran: 2:10 Disbelievers are diseased. 2:99 Disbelievers are evil people. 2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind. 3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers. 3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:48 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:101 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 Jews and Christians are losers. 5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine. 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people. 5:57 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 6:106 Stay away from disbelievers. 8:55 The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. ** 9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them. ** 9:28 Disbelievers are unclean. 9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them. "We're good, everybody else is bad." That's an underlying belief in almost all religions and most "isms." Maybe not Buddhism. -- "I wear the cheese, it does not wear me."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Regarding the "We're good, everybody else is bad" generalization, may I commend to your attention the Vatican 2 documents on ecumenism and religious feedom, for official Catholic teaching on those subjects. Regarding Islam, Andrew rightly went to the source and laid out many citations to the Koran, to help focus the question: To what extent do the foundational documents of Islam mandate the agenda of today's radical Jahadists?? Or can there be a kinder, gentler Islam?? I dusted off my Koran and had a look at them, mindful that I can react only to the language; I'm a stranger to the tradition. As far as I can tell, the case is not hopeless for the ultimate intra-Muslim condemnation of the radical Jihadists. Putting the best light on their side of the case, I would argue: 1. The Chapter 2 cites only address what God will do to the unbeliever. No mandate there for the faithful to play the role of the avenging angel. 2. The Chapter 3 and 5 cites, 4.101, 4.144 and 6.106 are decidedly unecumenical, but mandate separation, not violence. Still, there are lots of cites, and it's difficult to reconcile them with the achievement of a modern diverse society that recognizes, as the Koran says elsewhere [2.256] that there can [and should] be no compulsion in matters of religion. They are troubling. 3. It's difficult to see much hope for acceptable relationships in Ch. 9. The best I can come up with is that they are extravagant exaggerations along the lines of Christ's sermon on the mount (e.g. "if thy right eye is an occasion of sin, cut it out"), designed to make a different point. Or perhaps that they are timebound to Mohammed's day, such as St. Paul's "mandate" in I Cor that women must cover their heads. Or maybe that they are overridden by other verses demanding tolerance, e.g 2.256. After all, the Christian bible has a goodly number of seemingly conflicting statements that have to be reconciled with each other. I want to believe that this civil war within Islam will end well for everyone. I especially want to believe it because the alternative is so unattractive. But I'm not expecting the day to come in my lifetime, when I can bicycle between Mecca and Medina to worship Christ. Here you go: http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qw...*listing*title -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Peter Cole wrote:
AMuzi wrote: -snip- Tom Sherman °_° wrote: "Islamic terrorism" is an oxymoron, since Islam does not condone terrorism. Like all religions, there are those who preach false beliefs to advance a heretical agenda. "the Prophet Muhammad said that when Judgment Day draws near, the final war between the Muslims and the Jews will take place. The Prophet said that the Muslims would kill the Jews. " 'Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them.' The Muslims will kill the Jews. Be patient. All the trees and all the stones will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him ...' " Koran: 2:10 Disbelievers are diseased. 2:99 Disbelievers are evil people. 2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind. 3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers. 3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:48 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad. 4:101 The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends. 5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51 Jews and Christians are losers. 5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine. 5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people. 5:57 Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 6:106 Stay away from disbelievers. 8:55 The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. ** 9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them. ** 9:28 Disbelievers are unclean. 9:30 Christians and Jews are perverts. Allah himself fights against them. I'm disappointed that you would cut & paste such propaganda from some hate-mongering source without vetting it. That's low even by the standards of this group. Sir, do you mean to insult the koran's actual text? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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