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Old October 12th 11, 07:47 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Hi there.

I'm rethinking getting a Surly Long Haul Trucker frameset.

I was about to go to the shop to get measured for a Surly Long Haul
Trucker frame.

*BUT*

The Surly website says that there is only a *3 year limited warranty*
on the frame and also *Not* to use a kickstand as the frame is not
designed for the loads a kickstand can produce. This is with either a
chainstay mounted one or one that mounts on the rear chainstay/
seatstay area.

This frame's regular price here is $550.00 CDN and is on sale for
$340.00 for a short time on existing stock.

Why only a 3 year warranty on a steel frame? I expected a lifetime
limited warranty at least on a steel touring frame. A 3 year limited
warranty on what's suposed to be a quality steel heavy duty touring
frame just doesn't make sense to me. Even many department store steel
BSOs have lifetime warranties on the frame. Again, why such a short
warranty period from Surly for the LHT frame? Has the quality dropped
a lot from what it used to be?

Any light you can shed on why there's such a short warranty period
will be immensely appreciated by me.

Cheers from Peter
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Old October 12th 11, 08:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
landotter
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Default Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame?

On Oct 12, 1:47*pm, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Hi there.

I'm rethinking getting a Surly Long Haul Trucker frameset.

I was about to go to the shop to get measured for a Surly Long Haul
Trucker frame.

*BUT*

The Surly website says that there is only a *3 year limited warranty*
on the frame and also *Not* to use a kickstand as the frame is not
designed for the loads a kickstand can produce. This is with either a
chainstay mounted one or one that mounts on the rear chainstay/
seatstay area.

This frame's regular price here is $550.00 CDN and is on sale for
$340.00 for a short time on existing stock.

Why only a 3 year warranty on a steel frame? I expected a lifetime
limited warranty at least on a steel touring frame. A 3 year limited
warranty on what's suposed to be a quality steel heavy duty touring
frame just doesn't make sense to me. Even many department store steel
BSOs have lifetime warranties on the frame. Again, why such a short
warranty period from Surly for the LHT frame? Has the quality dropped
a lot from what it used to be?

Any light you can shed on why there's such a short warranty period
will be immensely appreciated by me.


Can't tell you why--if it baffles you, write Surly. I wouldn't worry
much, though--those things are rock solid. D. just broke the dropout
on his Cross-Check, with a lighter tubeset--after five years of urban
abuse, jumping it, and CX racing. One of the hardest riders I know. He
could have had A. fix the dropouts--but after so many years, he felt
that a new frame of the exact model, color, and size would be the best
choice--as he's also a dealer. I believe the old frame will stick
around as a shop ceiling curio.
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Old January 25th 13, 06:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame?

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:00:35 PM UTC-7, landotter wrote:
On Oct 12, 1:47*pm, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

Hi there.




I'm rethinking getting a Surly Long Haul Trucker frameset.




I was about to go to the shop to get measured for a Surly Long Haul


Trucker frame.




*BUT*




The Surly website says that there is only a *3 year limited warranty*


on the frame and also *Not* to use a kickstand as the frame is not


designed for the loads a kickstand can produce. This is with either a


chainstay mounted one or one that mounts on the rear chainstay/


seatstay area.




This frame's regular price here is $550.00 CDN and is on sale for


$340.00 for a short time on existing stock.




Why only a 3 year warranty on a steel frame? I expected a lifetime


limited warranty at least on a steel touring frame. A 3 year limited


warranty on what's suposed to be a quality steel heavy duty touring


frame just doesn't make sense to me. Even many department store steel


BSOs have lifetime warranties on the frame. Again, why such a short


warranty period from Surly for the LHT frame? Has the quality dropped


a lot from what it used to be?




Any light you can shed on why there's such a short warranty period


will be immensely appreciated by me.




Can't tell you why--if it baffles you, write Surly. I wouldn't worry

much, though--those things are rock solid. D. just broke the dropout

on his Cross-Check, with a lighter tubeset--after five years of urban

abuse, jumping it, and CX racing. One of the hardest riders I know. He

could have had A. fix the dropouts--but after so many years, he felt

that a new frame of the exact model, color, and size would be the best

choice--as he's also a dealer. I believe the old frame will stick

around as a shop ceiling curio.


I consider 5 years of racing to be nothing whatsoever. I have around 20,000 miles on a Look 247 Tour Replica and if any Look part were to break on it I would be flabbergasted. In my 30+ years of riding I have had ONE component break and that was extremely bad workmanship on the part of ITM whom I would recommend no one ever buy ANYTHING from. Even a piece of paper. I was nearly killed and to them it was a chuckle.

In short - I would be concerned if Long Haul Trucker does not offer at least a 10 year warranty and especially if they cannot handle a kick-stand. That is especially weird. If they're worried about after market kickstands then all they would have to do is supply a workable kickstand or recommend those that would work. Or do they have the wheelbase so shrunken that a kickstand simply won't fit? If that's so it would hardly be a "long haul trucker" indicating a touring bike.
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Old January 25th 13, 10:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Per (PeteCresswell):
... and what anybody would call a spinner.


SHB: "... and NOT what anybody would call a spinner."
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Old October 12th 11, 10:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Sir Ridesalot wrote:


n the frame and also *Not* to use a kickstand as the frame is not
:designed for the loads a kickstand can produce. This is with either a

You want a kickstand, and are therefore insufficently cool to buy an
overpriced mass-produced frame from the hipster marketing machine of
QBP. Why not buy one from someone who doesn't have an irrational fear
of useful bikes?


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Old October 13th 11, 09:35 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Chalo
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Default Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame?

David Scheidt wrote:

You want a kickstand, and are therefore insufficently cool to buy an
overpriced mass-produced frame from the hipster marketing machine of
QBP. *


Okay, I'll bite. What other touring geometry frameset with a full
complement of brazeons can you buy new for less than $400?

Chalo
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Old October 13th 11, 03:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Rethinking getting Surly Long Haul Trucker frame?

On Oct 13, 3:35*am, Chalo wrote:
David Scheidt wrote:

You want a kickstand, and are therefore insufficently cool to buy an
overpriced mass-produced frame from the hipster marketing machine of
QBP. *


Okay, I'll bite. *What other touring geometry frameset with a full
complement of brazeons can you buy new for less than $400?

Chalo


List on the Soma Saga is the same as the Surly. I like Surlys a lot,
but for a touring rig, the kickstand plate on the Soma would win me
over. Plus, it has panels.
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Old November 28th 11, 08:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 10/13/2011 9:04 AM, landotter wrote:
On Oct 13, 3:35 am, wrote:
David Scheidt wrote:

You want a kickstand, and are therefore insufficently cool to buy an
overpriced mass-produced frame from the hipster marketing machine of
QBP.


Okay, I'll bite. What other touring geometry frameset with a full
complement of brazeons can you buy new for less than $400?

Chalo


List on the Soma Saga is the same as the Surly. I like Surlys a lot,
but for a touring rig, the kickstand plate on the Soma would win me
over. Plus, it has panels.


Wonder why touring bicycles do not come equipped with centerstands?

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Old November 28th 11, 08:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Chalo
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T∅m Sherm∀n wrote:

Wonder why touring bicycles do not come equipped with centerstands?


Because there are more people likely to be turned off by the added
cost, weight, or mere presence of a stand than there are who consider
it to be a worthy feature?

This is America, T∅m. Automatic transmissions, "warm white" (non-
white) CFLs, and department store HAUTL* bikes prevail in the
marketplace, regardless of virtue or lack thereof. Many of us are
able to develop, for lack of a better word, "refined" tastes without
any corresponding improvement in overall judgment. Thus we have bike
enthusiasts who reflexively avoid useful items like kickstands,
fenders, reflectors and spoke protectors that could save them a passel
of hassle.

Chalo


* Hideous Abomination Unto The Lord. Acronym to be used freely with
or without attribution.
 




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