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Old August 10th 03, 08:53 PM
Jordan Bettis
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Marc writes:

My toothbrush sits unused for more than 99% of the time as well.
However, I think that is a good purchase, even if it is only used
for a short time every day. The same goes with cars for most people
as well.


How much of your income does your toothbrush consume? How about your car?

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Old August 10th 03, 09:35 PM
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1% of transit riders get 17% of funds.


Ha! Our California transportation fools are much more foolish than your
fools. Our Northern California fools spend 75% of their funds on 3%
transit riders.


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Old August 11th 03, 12:31 AM
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Krist wrote:
I do think that it is possible to create a transit system that allows a
large fraction of the population this type of choice. The place I live in
proves that. Some places in the States.

In some other places it might not be possible...
But then, the role of transit is not te force people out of their car, the
role ought to be to offer choice where offering choice makes sense.


I totally agree. But "makes sense" is defined economically. If it takes
taxpayer subsidies for transit to exist at all, offering it doesn't make
sense.
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Old August 11th 03, 03:49 AM
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John David Galt wrote:
I totally agree. But "makes sense" is defined economically. If it
takes taxpayer subsidies for transit to exist at all, offering it
doesn't make sense.


So we should close all the roads and highways? That's where most of
the transportation-related tax money goes.

Next we should close all the airports? That's where most of the rest
of the transportation-related tax money goes.

Once users of those modes all have to pay their own way, I think mass
transit will be very competitive, and will no longer need subsidies.

Metro in the median of I-66, for instance, can carry more people
faster, more efficiently, while using less energy, in less space,
more safely, while producing less pollution, more quietly, than the
surrounding highway. And passengers can read or work, rather than
giving their full attention to driving. Nor do they have a massive
upfront capital cost, or the need to carry what amounts to an internal
passport, or the need to find and pay for a parking space at both ends
of every trip.

Also, Metro can carry everyone. Millions of people are unable to
drive cars for medical, financial, legal, age, or temperamental
reasons.

If you don't generate your own electricity, sew your own clothes,
build your own house, or grow your own food, why should you drive
your own vehicle? Specialization just makes sense.

(Yes, I know what Heinlein said. It's good to be *able* to drive a
car, swim, send morse code, survive in the wilderness, fly a plane,
repair a CD player, etc, but unless that's your profession or a hobby
you enjoy, why do it every day?)

The only reason why cars are so common is because of distortions in the
economy caused by various government policies, taxes, and subsidies.
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Old August 11th 03, 06:04 AM
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"Keith F. Lynch" wrote in message
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So we should close all the roads and highways? That's where most of
the transportation-related tax money goes.


Its also where the transportation taxes come from that more than pay for the
roads and some of the transit.

Next we should close all the airports? That's where most of the rest
of the transportation-related tax money goes.


Also where a lot of the taxes come from which are part of the price you pay
for a ticket.

Once users of those modes all have to pay their own way, I think mass
transit will be very competitive, and will no longer need subsidies.


Transit receives large subsidies and does not contribute much in taxes
unlike road and airlines. You are not even in the ballpark of being correct


Metro in the median of I-66, for instance, can carry more people
faster, more efficiently, while using less energy, in less space,
more safely, while producing less pollution, more quietly, than the
surrounding highway.


All theoretical but reality is far different and not very pretty for
transit.

The rest of your post is good for a laugh, but it mainly shows you are
living in a fantasy world instead of reality.


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Old August 11th 03, 05:40 PM
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Krist wrote:

But then, the role of transit is not te force people out of their car,
the role ought to be to offer choice where offering choice makes sense.


YES! That's why politicians' and self-proclaimed environmentalists'
determination to "get people out of their cars" is a bassackward way of
addressing the issue. Lane restrictions, fuel taxes, and other punitive
measures aimed at "getting people out of their cars" will never work as
well as offering a true alternative that works. If they build it, I will
come.

DS

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Old August 11th 03, 06:08 PM
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Dave Head wrote in message
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:11:47 GMT, wrote:


Dave Head wrote in message
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On 09 Aug 2003 17:40:05 -0500, Jordan Bettis

wrote:

writes:

Nope, but I was just pointing out the economics. People complain

that
cabs are too terribly expensive, but they don't consider the fixed
costs of the automobile if they use that automobile extremely
infrequently. If they still prefer the car that's their choice but
they can hardly say its because of money.


People who post drivel like this are impractical people who do

nothing
around the house. Can you imagine going to Home Depot in a taxi?

Home depot dosen't deliver large items? I'd go somewhere that does.

Yes they do, but they do it on Tuesdays an Saturdays. You either have

to
take
off work to meet the truck on Tuesday, or possibly put off a trip to

something
fun on Saturday, plus wait 'til Saturday. Its much more satisfying to

have
your 4' X 8' sheets of plywood on the roof of the Jeep the same night,

with no
waiting.

Dave Head


That was the problem with the old-fashioned urban delivery systems.

Women
would put on their white gloves, take the trolley downtown, and then have

to
be there on Tuesdays or Saturdays when delivery would take place. It
assumed an upper class lifestyle where women stayed home all day or the

maid
took delivery for you.


Plywood on the roof? Dangerous. I put it inside.


Not inside a Jeep Cherokee, I think.

Dave Head



That is one reaerson why my wife and I compromised on a Suburban: big
enough for plywood and not open to the elements, so the dogs can travel in
comfort. Otherwise, a sedan and a pickup would have been in order, both
4-wheel drive, however, due to the remote location of the place we live 6
months a year. Very remote.




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Old August 11th 03, 06:13 PM
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John David Galt wrote in message
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Krist wrote:
I do think that it is possible to create a transit system that allows a
large fraction of the population this type of choice. The place I live

in
proves that. Some places in the States.

In some other places it might not be possible...
But then, the role of transit is not te force people out of their car,

the
role ought to be to offer choice where offering choice makes sense.


I totally agree. But "makes sense" is defined economically. If it takes
taxpayer subsidies for transit to exist at all, offering it doesn't make
sense.


Research Triangle Park in NC does not fit modern urban planning models.
It was set up to be a PARK, with 18% of the land not covered in trees or
ponds. It worked. But no one lives there. Planners say, "Redevelop it."
Durham's long-range plan calls for 'compact' business development where
people live. In short, in Durham RTP has been soundly repudiated by the
planners, but a huge economic success. Why? People do not want to live in
1900 houses.
So now we have buses to take people to RTP. They get back 11% of the
costs in fares. Is that good economic sense? Planners say YES. The rest
of us say NO.


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Old August 11th 03, 06:18 PM
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Marc wrote in message
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wrote:

People who post drivel like this are impractical people who do nothing
around the house. Can you imagine going to Home Depot in a taxi?


Yes. I see people do it all the time.

I have never seen a taxi at a Home Depot, and I got 3 times a week and
for years on end. You cannot carry anything in a taxi.


 




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