Divorce Your Car --and get into a relationship with a Bike!

"R Brickston" rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ wrote in message
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Please stop crossposting to
rec.bicycles.rides and rec.bicycles.misc

Thanks

This is the type of post which drives me insane. There is no reference to
any previous post and so one does not know who is being addressed. I will
assume I was being addressed.

This subject thread was originally posted to all the cycling groups and not
be me. Anyone is free to change the groups and I am free to change them
back. This thread is on a very non-specific subject and no more belongs on
one group than any other. Normally, it is best to let a thread play out to
the end on the groups originally posted to. I do not lightly change groups
and I do not like others to change groups either, although sometimes there
are good reasons for doing so.

I regard RBM as a catch-all for all the trash posts in the universe since it
is mostly populated by idiots, morons and imbeciles.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:15:13 -0700, Bill Funk
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:00:38 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:29:37 -0700, Bill Funk
wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:08:51 -0400, dgk wrote:

Project for a New American Century. Not WMD, not 9/11, not "freeing
the Iraqi People". World control is what it is about. Of course,
they're pretty inept so we ended up handing Iraq to the Committee For
The Islamic Revolution In Iraq. Great victory for America. But that
wasn't the Plan. The Plan was to turn Iraq over to Rumsfeld's friend
Chalabi. You know about him? The guy giving Judith Miller the scoop on
the WMDs? Here, a little reminder of our friend:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072806Z.shtml

We invaded Iraq, with the intention of turning it into an American
colony, and "accidently" turned it into a fledgling democracy
(ignoring your stupid "handing Iraq to the Committee For The Islamic
Revolution In Iraq" idiocy)?
I have a 100mpg carb that will fit whatever vehicle you drive. Only
$10,000. If you want it, I'll give you the Western Union information
you need to wire me the cash, after which I will FedEx it to you.

You seem to believe the pablum that America wants democracy around the
world. No, what the corporate powers that rule America want is control
of the natural resources of the rest of the world.

If true, why don't we have control of the oil in Iraq and Kuwait?
We are/were there, and certainly have/had the opportunity to take it.
If, as you say, we went there to get the oil, why don't we have it?

Control we have. The Kuwaiti government is an ally of corporate
capitalism and works closely with big oil. We're building permanent
bases in Iraq and the goal is to control it. We have no plans to leave
Iraq because we're not leaving.

"R Brickston" rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ wrote in message
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This thread which I think was orininally "Divorce Your Car --and get
into a relationship with a Bike!" was crossposted to:

rec.bicycles.misc, rec.autos.driving, alt.planning.urban,
rec.bicycles.soc, rec.bicycles.rides

by Commander Troll a/k/a donquijote1954.

I'm not a usenet expert but it looks like he changes the subject line
to a new one and gets multiple flame wars going all at once. Looking
at this page:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...45c88a3?hl=en&

As previously stated above, it seems that many threads were started
off of the original one titled:

"Divorce Your Car --and get into a relationship with a Bike!"

I think it may have been done so he can try and hide his handle as the
originator of these multiple flame wars.

Here's my request: Please stop crossposting to rec.bicycles.misc and
rec.bicycles.rides and BTW, Mr. donquijote1954, if you continue the
abuse of these two newsgroups, my flamethrower will be topped off for
a one man vendetta to make you look like the flame starting ass that
you are.

Yes, I quite agree with Brickston. It is enough for a troll to engage just
one thread at a time. If you are doing more than that, then you are nothing
but a g.d. nuisance. Too many threads like this one can ruin any newsgroup.

I commend Brickston for having the health of the group uppermost in his
mind. That is what I try to accomplish on ARBR too just as he does on RBM.
So far as I can see, this freaking donquijote is all over the map with his
posts. He needs to get focused on a particular newsgroup.

I think it is OK to post to more than one cycling group on occasion, but we
should not be posting to non-cycling groups no matter what the subject is.
Every newsgroup creates a particular culture and the cycling groups have
more in common with one another that we do with any non-cycling groups.

I will on occasion drag some posts from RBM over to ARBR because we are such
a small group and need some outside input from time to time. But I will not
drag anything to RBM because it is a very large group and does not need any
outside input.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

In article , Bill Funk wrote:

Your cites are wrong, because they are outdated, and no longer reflect
reality.

Then you should have no problem showing that with a cite of your own.

The market price goes to the government, because the government not
only controls the entire oil production, but owns all the companies
involved.

Cite?

In article , Bill Funk wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:14:55 -0500,
(Brent P) wrote:

In article , Bill Funk wrote:

I havent's stated that monies go anywhere else. Just that these nations
get far less than market price for the oil. That western oil companies
are selling at market rates, but not buying at them.

And I'm telling you that the market price goes to the governments,
because the government owns the companies that get the oil.

The western oil companies get the oil and pay the royalty and tax
obligation for it to the applicable government owned oil company. I have
cited this. If you think it's something different, produce a cite or
shut up about it. I have cited what I wrote, backed it up, you
have not done anything of the sort with your view and neither has your
buddy brick.

I don't have a buddy brick.

You two make a tag team.

I'm not so sure why you continue to say rthe governments don't get the
money we pay for their oil, since they own the entire infrastructure
and all the companies involved.

CITE?

I don't buy oil. I buy some products made from oil. The governments get
the money, that money just isn't market price, but a contracted price.

You both sit back there sniping... demanding cites. Well I provided
them. It's your turn. Put up or shut up.

I just did; your cites are outdated.

No, you just blathered your same assertions again. Where are the
supporting cites?

In article , R Brickston wrote:

Please stop cross posting to rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.rides.

How about you stop x-posting to rec.autos.driving ?

In article , Bill Funk wrote:

Since you don't believe me, try this:
http://exxonmobil.com/corporate/file...e/sar_2005.pdf
Exxon's annual report for 2005.
The info you ask for is there, find it for yourself, and believe what
you see.

Can't cite it directly eh? Library of congress rutine... As usual, the
cite demanders are a bunch of lazy sobs demanding that I sift through 50
plus pages to find their argument's support.

As I look through it, I can find no mention of your 8% figure. Like all
annual reports it doesn't go into that sort of detail.

On page two (acrobat page numbering, since that makes it easiest to jump
to), they claim a return on captial of 31%, so it's not looking good for
your 8% figure.

Page 19.... "Earnings per oil-equivalent barrel were $16.41"

Even at $75 a barrel, that works out to 21.88%

But it getts better for my argument.

Further along on page 19:
"Finding and resource-acquisition costs were $0.43 per oil-equivalent barrel"

These figures are supporting my arguments. Thanks!

Of course an interesting note is on page 42:

"Excluding sales and year-end price/cost revisions, ExxonMobil has
added 19 billion oil-equivalent barrels to proved reserves over over
the last ten years, more than replacing production."

Seems like there's lots oil, yet more support for my arguments.

There is no information on if the average US consumer of gasoline was
paid more in dividends and stock price increase than he paid in
additional gasoline costs either. They paid 7.1 billion in dividends so
roughly $25 per person for the US population... It's not looking good for
that argument of yours. (page 41, btw)

Unless, of course, you just want to say Exxon lies, too.

My previous employer had glowing annual reports. They lost millions every
quarter. They didn't lie, just spun things to make seem all was happy and
good.

Although I have no reason to claim exxon is lying in that report as it
supports everything I've been posting. If you had some other specific in
mind, I suggest you find it in the document. I don't have time to read
the whole thing, but I did at least skim what I didn't and find your cite
for you. But I can see from what I did read, it looks like you slapped a
52 page PDF up but didn't bother to read any of it.

You're going to have to be specific.

In article , R Brickston wrote:

Funk and Brent: Please stop crossposting to
rec.bicycles.rides and rec.bicycles.misc

Just stop x posting your sniping trolls and other posts to
rec.autos.driving and solve your own problem.

In article , Bill Funk wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:21:27 -0500,
(Brent P) wrote:

In article , Bill Funk wrote:

There is no other side?
See that link above? If you'd follow it, you'd learn their is another
side to your posts.
If you really think you're not taking sides, you really are dumb.

I'm sorry.... I forget, political dumb****s in the USA think everything
is about their 'team' and there are just two teams. No thinking allowed,
just sign up with a team. Sorry, I don't play that.

If you really think you're not taking sides, you really are dumb.

Not either of the two offered by the binary thinkers.

wrote:
So...ahhhhh.....where is the recumbent connection??

this one is good. if anyone wants to buy American-made, cooperative
style try the Burleys found on the website.

they could be the official vehicle of our revolution (the one lead by
the monkey, well not this monkey, but the peaceful monkey)...

http://www.bicycleman.com/recumbents/burley/burley.htm