Ontario Helmet Law being pushed through

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:32:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote in message :

really, I was hoping for _data_, not uncorroborated opinions!

LOL! Excellent use of irony, Mr. K :-)

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

Ken [NY] wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:14:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
claims:



[Ken NY:]

Sorry, Sir, but I did not send it off into a political thread,
I just followed it, due to my simplistic thinking, I guess. We
commoners are like that.

[fk:]
Bull****, Ken. This thread was about a helmet bill in Canada. You most
certainly did send it off into a political thread. Certainly, you can't
be _ignorant_ of that fact!

[Ken NY:]
Well, I was refering to something a gentleman wrote in another
thread:

That was obvious. You made a fool of yourself by bringing that topic
unbidden into _this_ thread, then pretending you didn't. If you're not
capable of keeping your conversations straight, you should either take
notes or stop posting.


Nothing wrong with my "conversations", Frank. I can bring in a
quote from another thread anytime I want to.

Sure you can. What you _can't_ do is say "Sorry, Sir, but I did not
send it off into a political thread, I just followed it, due to my
simplistic thinking, I guess. We commoners are like that."

Hmmm. Maybe I should retract that. You can say anything that occurs to
you, and you did say the above. But the effect is not what you'd like.
All that happens is your mistake is out there for everyone else to see.

BTW, I note the propensity of hard-ass right wingers to save all their
forgiveness for themselves. What ever happened to personal
responsibility? What ever happened to owning up to ones' mistakes? Are
those are only for other folks?


When I make a mistake, I own up to it. Something the left
never seems to do.

This is where you're supposed to say "And you're right, I _was_ the
first person to divert this thread into obnoxious politics."

But I note that you're still reserving all your forgiveness for
yourself, and refusing to admit your obvious mistake. Why is that?
Surely, you _can't_ believe you're making yourself look intelligent!

Now really, don't you think it's time to drop this and get back on topic?



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Ken [NY] wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:05:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
claims:


Ken [NY] wrote:

"When ye encounter the infidels,3 strike off their heads till ye have
made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the
fetters."
--Koran, SURA1 47.-MUHAMMAD [XCVI.]


" Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the
priest who represents the Lord your God must be put to death. Such evil
must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12)


Ah, see any Jews or Christians on television, slashing off
heads of civilians?

I seem to recall some Texas governor presiding over record numbers of
executions, while loudly calling himself a Christian. (But you're right
about televising it; that would be bad for election campaigns.)

Funny thing, though. There _are_ lots of Christians that are against
the death penalty. As I understand it, it's supposed to have something
to do with one of those Ten Commandments.



Now why not take your prejudices to some appropriate newsgroup?

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On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:21:52 -0600, "AustinMN"
wrote in message :

You have a stake in the outcome, in case you didn't notice. Since you make
money selling bicycle helmets you need the result to come out a certain way.

Correct. And compulsion is not it, unless he's planning on retiring
Real Soon Now.

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:21:52 -0600, "AustinMN"
wrote in message :

You have a stake in the outcome, in case you didn't notice. Since you
make
money selling bicycle helmets you need the result to come out a certain
way.

Correct. And compulsion is not it, unless he's planning on retiring
Real Soon Now.

I'd thought of that, but I'm not sure he's capable of thinking that through.

Austin
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" writes:

Peter, you are wasting your time. As far as Zaumen is concerned there
are only two types of people in the world: people who agree with him,
and liars.

Guy, of course, is lying again. I've never called anyone a "liar" for
simply disagreeing with me. I have for claiming I've said things that
I never said or posting libelous statements that they couldn't back
up.


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"Just zis Guy, you know?" writes:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:25:06 GMT, Bill "Laa laa I'm not listening"
Zaumen wrote:

Wolfgang is back, repeating the same things he's said for years.

Your house a bit short of mirrors, then, Bill?

More infantile name calling from Guy. What a moron.

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Frank Krygowski wrote:
Ken [NY] wrote:

"When ye encounter the infidels,3 strike off their heads till ye
have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast
the fetters."
--Koran, SURA1 47.-MUHAMMAD [XCVI.]


" Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of
the priest who represents the Lord your God must be put to death.
Such evil must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12)


Ah, see any Jews or Christians on television, slashing off
heads of civilians?

I seem to recall some Texas governor presiding over record numbers of
executions, while loudly calling himself a Christian. (But you're
right about televising it; that would be bad for election campaigns.)

Funny thing, though. There _are_ lots of Christians that are against
the death penalty. As I understand it, it's supposed to have
something to do with one of those Ten Commandments.


Just the fact that you'd compare kidnapping innocent men /and women/ and
cutting off their heads to capital punishment of /convicted murderers/
(after years and years of legal appeals while being incarcerated and treated
/relatively/ humanely) speaks volumes...ABOUT YOU, FRANK.

Now why not take your prejudices to some appropriate newsgroup?

Is there an alt.head-in-the-sand?!?

Bill "sign yourself up" S.

"Just zis Guy, you know?" writes:

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:32:42 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote in message :

really, I was hoping for _data_, not uncorroborated opinions!

LOL! Excellent use of irony, Mr. K :-)

Of course, you'll see these two completely ignore the URLs I posted,
not to mention the fact that Krygowski was claiming helmets don't
work but apparently (given their reaction) neither want to talk about
controling for changes in driver behavior over the time frame when
helmet use went up substantially. It's the usual double standard
on their part.

Also, a few minutes spent outside at an intersection looking at
drivers in the Bay Area will convince you that there is a major
problem with people running red lights and otherwise behaving far more
recklessly than was typical 30 years ago. It is simply common
knowledge, and is hardly surprising. Just plot a graph of the
population changes over the past 30 years with the number of police
officers on the road handing out moving violations. If you don't think
that has an impact, then ask why a standard police procedure is to
step up enforcement a few days before they do a speed survey to set
the speed limit when a city would like the limit reduced.

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Peter Keller writes:

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 06:23:45 +0000, Bill Z. wrote:



Bill, I'm continually astounded that you don't embarrass yourself to
silence.


But, your behavior is typical of you, and that is precisely why I
have no respect for you - it is not an error on your part given
how often you do this sort of thing.

Oh, and one other thing - I posted it with the caveat "if I remembered
correctly." It meant what it said. Your statement about "inventing
things" is simply character assassination. You'd fit quite well
in Bush's election campaign - those *******s have the same ethics
you do.

Isn't it funny the way people who don't like a position (that mandatory
helmet laws are harmful and counterproductive) but can't find any facts
to back up their position, attack the person (messenger) instead?

Isn't it funny how anti-helmet people will post statements such as
yours while ignoring what Krygowski said, namely "Bill, I'm
continually astounded that you don't embarrass yourself to silence,"
(and that is after I had posted an accurate account of what
transpired.)

Truth is absolute, and does not depend on the personal characteristics of
the person telling the truth.

Krygowksi's actions are self explanatory. He's been doing that for
a good decade, and you appear to be as hypocritical as he is.

Oh, and in case you didn't notice, the post I responded to was a purely
personal attack on his part with nothing in it about helmets. Sounds
to me like you are a real hypocrite - you guys post personal attack
after personal attack and then whine if you get even a peep in response.
And that also has been going on for at least a decade.

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