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  #31  
Old December 21st 17, 04:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street

On 21/12/2017 15:26, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:19:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 14:57, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 06:53:20 -0000, Bod wrote:


I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured person to
hospital.


I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking an injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI




Bicycle ambulances are still in use in third world countries, they are
often trailered by a bicycle.

There are motorcycle ambulances and they have been used for at least a
hundred years, some capable of carrying two injured, they are usually
outfits (motorcycle with sidecar) some are more like tuk-tuks.
*
*
* Facts about the cycle response unit:

Cycle responders attend approximately 16,000 calls a year.
They resolve around 50 per cent of all incidents at the scene.
Their average response time to calls is six minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...responder.aspx



Are London drivers so rude they don't get out of the way of an ambulance
then?* An ambulance can go a lot faster than a bicycle, and has room for
a bed in the back and several people.

Have it your way. Argue with yourself.


Can't you answer the question?* The ambulance should easily be able to
maintain about 30mph through busy streets with lights and sirens on.

Categories and response times
Under the new system, there are four categories of calls - please see
the videos below about each:

Category one: for life-threatening injuries and illnesses, specifically
cardiac arrest. These will need to be responded to in an average time of
seven minutes.

Category two: for emergency calls, such as stroke patients. These will
need to be responded to in an average time of 18 minutes.

Category three: for urgent calls such as abdominal pains, and which will
include patients to be treated in their own home. These will be
responded to at least nine out of 10 times within 120 minutes.

Category four: less urgent calls such as diarrhoea and vomiting and back
pain. Some of these patients will be given advice over the telephone or
referred to another service such as a GP or pharmacist. These less
urgent calls will be responded to at least nine out of 10 times within
180 minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...e_categor.aspx
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Bod
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  #32  
Old December 21st 17, 04:49 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street

On 21/12/2017 15:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:43:17 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 15:26, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:19:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 14:57, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 06:53:20 -0000, Bod wrote:


I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured person to
hospital.


I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking an injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI





Bicycle ambulances are still in use in third world countries,
they are
often trailered by a bicycle.

There are motorcycle ambulances and they have been used for at
least a
hundred years, some capable of carrying two injured, they are
usually
outfits (motorcycle with sidecar) some are more like tuk-tuks.
*
*
* Facts about the cycle response unit:

Cycle responders attend approximately 16,000 calls a year.
They resolve around 50 per cent of all incidents at the scene.
Their average response time to calls is six minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...responder.aspx




Are London drivers so rude they don't get out of the way of an
ambulance
then?* An ambulance can go a lot faster than a bicycle, and has
room for
a bed in the back and several people.

Have it your way. Argue with yourself.

Can't you answer the question?* The ambulance should easily be able to
maintain about 30mph through busy streets with lights and sirens on.

Categories and response times
Under the new system, there are four categories of calls - please see
the videos below about each:

Category one: for life-threatening injuries and illnesses, specifically
cardiac arrest. These will need to be responded to in an average time of
seven minutes.

Category two: for emergency calls, such as stroke patients. These will
need to be responded to in an average time of 18 minutes.

Category three: for urgent calls such as abdominal pains, and which will
include patients to be treated in their own home. These will be
responded to at least nine out of 10 times within 120 minutes.

Category four: less urgent calls such as diarrhoea and vomiting and back
pain. Some of these patients will be given advice over the telephone or
referred to another service such as a GP or pharmacist. These less
urgent calls will be responded to at least nine out of 10 times within
180 minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...e_categor.aspx


You're answering a question I didn't ask.* Why do Londoners not get out
of the way of an ambulance?

They do.

--
Bod
  #33  
Old December 21st 17, 05:18 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street

On 21/12/2017 15:54, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:49:17 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 15:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:43:17 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 15:26, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:19:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 14:57, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 06:53:20 -0000, Bod
wrote:


I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured
person to
hospital.


I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking an
injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI






Bicycle ambulances are still in use in third world countries,
they are
often trailered by a bicycle.

There are motorcycle ambulances and they have been used for at
least a
hundred years, some capable of carrying two injured, they are
usually
outfits (motorcycle with sidecar) some are more like tuk-tuks.
*
*
* Facts about the cycle response unit:

Cycle responders attend approximately 16,000 calls a year.
They resolve around 50 per cent of all incidents at the scene.
Their average response time to calls is six minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...responder.aspx





Are London drivers so rude they don't get out of the way of an
ambulance
then?* An ambulance can go a lot faster than a bicycle, and has
room for
a bed in the back and several people.

Have it your way. Argue with yourself.

Can't you answer the question?* The ambulance should easily be able to
maintain about 30mph through busy streets with lights and sirens on.

Categories and response times
Under the new system, there are four categories of calls - please see
the videos below about each:

Category one: for life-threatening injuries and illnesses, specifically
cardiac arrest. These will need to be responded to in an average
time of
seven minutes.

Category two: for emergency calls, such as stroke patients. These will
need to be responded to in an average time of 18 minutes.

Category three: for urgent calls such as abdominal pains, and which
will
include patients to be treated in their own home. These will be
responded to at least nine out of 10 times within 120 minutes.

Category four: less urgent calls such as diarrhoea and vomiting and
back
pain. Some of these patients will be given advice over the telephone or
referred to another service such as a GP or pharmacist. These less
urgent calls will be responded to at least nine out of 10 times within
180 minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...e_categor.aspx



You're answering a question I didn't ask.* Why do Londoners not get out
of the way of an ambulance?

They do.


Then it should be able to maintain a speed higher than a cyclist.

In the rush hour, no.
You just haven't a clue about London.

All of your assumptions are wrong. Try thinking about reality.
Often the roads are gridlocked and sometimes there is no room to move
out of the way.


Average traffic speeds fall to below 10mph in UK's busiest cities as ...
https://greenerjourneys.com/.../aver...0mph-in-uks-bu...
2 Jun 2016 - The situation is set to get worse, with traffic on our
roads expected to grow by up to 55% by 2040, and morning and evening
'rush hour' periods already lengthening as traffic volumes reach
saturation point in cities like London, Manchester and Bristol. The bus
sector has been hit the hardest, with journey ...

--
Bod
  #34  
Old December 21st 17, 05:27 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street

On 21/12/2017 15:17, Bod wrote:
On 21/12/2017 14:55, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:42:58 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 20/12/2017 23:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:56:35 PM UTC, James Wilkinson
Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:18:26 -0000, Simon Jester
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:55:14 PM UTC, James Wilkinson
Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:12:29 -0000, soup
wrote:

On 20/12/2017 20:04, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 18:04:10 -0000, Simon Jester

wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 5:44:30 PM UTC, Bod wrote:
Several people were injured as a double-decker bus crashed
into several
cars on a busy street in the West End.

Paramedics were scrambled to Haymarket near Piccadilly Circus
station
shortly after midday on Wednesday.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3724376.html


*Why do these type of crashes never show the cyclists that
caused the
carnage.*
I think it's a cover up.

I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured person to
hospital.

I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking an injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI


Better to bring a vehicle capable of actually taking the injured
person away.* That's why every ambulance I've ever seen has four
wheels.* Trying to save money or something?


Better to stabilize the casualty at the scene then determine the
best way to move to hospital.
That is why we have paramedics rather than scoop and run ambulances.

Hint: the ambulances have paramedics in them.


As do the Cycle Responders.
The difference is the Cycle Responders get there faster.
Thank you for proving my point.
Apology accepted in advance.

imagines Peter Hucker lying in the road and slowly bleeding to death,
then telling the cycle responder "GO AWAY YOU GAY CYCLIST!!* I'm gonna
wait till the ambulance gets here..... and put my leg back where you
found it under that car !"


Why would a cyclist get there faster than an ambulance with blue
lights and a siren?

Cycle responders in London take an average of 6 mins. Ambulances
obviously take a lot longer in heavy traffic.
Those extra ambulance minutes could mean the difference between a
patient dying or living.


What is a "cycle responder"?

Please provide a link to some evidence of this six-minute response time
and of the proportion of cases to which it applies.
  #35  
Old December 21st 17, 05:34 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street

On 21/12/2017 16:22, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:18:34 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 15:54, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:49:17 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 15:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:43:17 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 15:26, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:19:48 -0000, Bod
wrote:

On 21/12/2017 14:57, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 06:53:20 -0000, Bod
wrote:


I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured
person to
hospital.


I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking an
injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI







Bicycle ambulances are still in use in third world countries,
they are
often trailered by a bicycle.

There are motorcycle ambulances and they have been used for at
least a
hundred years, some capable of carrying two injured, they are
usually
outfits (motorcycle with sidecar) some are more like tuk-tuks.
*
*
* Facts about the cycle response unit:

Cycle responders attend approximately 16,000 calls a year.
They resolve around 50 per cent of all incidents at the scene.
Their average response time to calls is six minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...responder.aspx






Are London drivers so rude they don't get out of the way of an
ambulance
then?* An ambulance can go a lot faster than a bicycle, and has
room for
a bed in the back and several people.

Have it your way. Argue with yourself.

Can't you answer the question?* The ambulance should easily be
able to
maintain about 30mph through busy streets with lights and sirens on.

Categories and response times
Under the new system, there are four categories of calls - please see
the videos below about each:

Category one: for life-threatening injuries and illnesses,
specifically
cardiac arrest. These will need to be responded to in an average
time of
seven minutes.

Category two: for emergency calls, such as stroke patients. These
will
need to be responded to in an average time of 18 minutes.

Category three: for urgent calls such as abdominal pains, and which
will
include patients to be treated in their own home. These will be
responded to at least nine out of 10 times within 120 minutes.

Category four: less urgent calls such as diarrhoea and vomiting and
back
pain. Some of these patients will be given advice over the
telephone or
referred to another service such as a GP or pharmacist. These less
urgent calls will be responded to at least nine out of 10 times
within
180 minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...e_categor.aspx




You're answering a question I didn't ask.* Why do Londoners not get
out
of the way of an ambulance?

They do.

Then it should be able to maintain a speed higher than a cyclist.

In the rush hour, no.
You just haven't a clue about London.

All of your assumptions are wrong. Try thinking about reality.
Often the roads are gridlocked and sometimes there is no room to move
out of the way.


Average traffic speeds fall to below 10mph in UK's busiest cities as ...
https://greenerjourneys.com/.../aver...0mph-in-uks-bu...

2 Jun 2016 - The situation is set to get worse, with traffic on our
roads expected to grow by up to 55% by 2040, and morning and evening
'rush hour' periods already lengthening as traffic volumes reach
saturation point in cities like London, Manchester and Bristol. The bus
sector has been hit the hardest, with journey ...


There's always room for an emergency vehicle.* Mount the pavement,
squash up to the sides etc.* A path can easily be made in the centre.
Ambulances need to get bull bars if it's a problem, any loonie not
getting out of the way is pushed out of the way.

Jeez!!!

--
Bod
  #36  
Old December 21st 17, 05:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Posts: 3,516
Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street

On 21/12/2017 16:27, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2017 15:17, Bod wrote:
On 21/12/2017 14:55, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:42:58 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 20/12/2017 23:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:56:35 PM UTC, James Wilkinson
Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:18:26 -0000, Simon Jester
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:55:14 PM UTC, James
Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:12:29 -0000, soup
wrote:

On 20/12/2017 20:04, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 18:04:10 -0000, Simon Jester

wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 5:44:30 PM UTC, Bod wrote:
Several people were injured as a double-decker bus crashed
into several
cars on a busy street in the West End.

Paramedics were scrambled to Haymarket near Piccadilly
Circus station
shortly after midday on Wednesday.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3724376.html


*Why do these type of crashes never show the cyclists that
caused the
carnage.*
I think it's a cover up.

I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured
person to
hospital.

I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking an
injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI


Better to bring a vehicle capable of actually taking the injured
person away.* That's why every ambulance I've ever seen has four
wheels.* Trying to save money or something?


Better to stabilize the casualty at the scene then determine the
best way to move to hospital.
That is why we have paramedics rather than scoop and run ambulances.

Hint: the ambulances have paramedics in them.


As do the Cycle Responders.
The difference is the Cycle Responders get there faster.
Thank you for proving my point.
Apology accepted in advance.

imagines Peter Hucker lying in the road and slowly bleeding to death,
then telling the cycle responder "GO AWAY YOU GAY CYCLIST!!* I'm gonna
wait till the ambulance gets here..... and put my leg back where you
found it under that car !"

Why would a cyclist get there faster than an ambulance with blue
lights and a siren?

Cycle responders in London take an average of 6 mins. Ambulances
obviously take a lot longer in heavy traffic.
Those extra ambulance minutes could mean the difference between a
patient dying or living.


What is a "cycle responder"?

Please provide a link to some evidence of this six-minute response time
and of the proportion of cases to which it applies.


I already posted a link earlier in this thread.

--
Bod
  #37  
Old December 21st 17, 05:42 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Posts: 3,516
Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street

On 21/12/2017 16:37, Bod wrote:
On 21/12/2017 16:27, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2017 15:17, Bod wrote:
On 21/12/2017 14:55, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:42:58 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 20/12/2017 23:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:56:35 PM UTC, James
Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:18:26 -0000, Simon Jester
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:55:14 PM UTC, James
Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:12:29 -0000, soup
wrote:

On 20/12/2017 20:04, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 18:04:10 -0000, Simon Jester

wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 5:44:30 PM UTC, Bod wrote:
Several people were injured as a double-decker bus crashed
into several
cars on a busy street in the West End.

Paramedics were scrambled to Haymarket near Piccadilly
Circus station
shortly after midday on Wednesday.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3724376.html


*Why do these type of crashes never show the cyclists that
caused the
carnage.*
I think it's a cover up.

I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured
person to
hospital.

I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking an
injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI


Better to bring a vehicle capable of actually taking the
injured person away.* That's why every ambulance I've ever seen
has four wheels.* Trying to save money or something?


Better to stabilize the casualty at the scene then determine the
best way to move to hospital.
That is why we have paramedics rather than scoop and run
ambulances.

Hint: the ambulances have paramedics in them.


As do the Cycle Responders.
The difference is the Cycle Responders get there faster.
Thank you for proving my point.
Apology accepted in advance.

imagines Peter Hucker lying in the road and slowly bleeding to death,
then telling the cycle responder "GO AWAY YOU GAY CYCLIST!!* I'm gonna
wait till the ambulance gets here..... and put my leg back where you
found it under that car !"

Why would a cyclist get there faster than an ambulance with blue
lights and a siren?

Cycle responders in London take an average of 6 mins. Ambulances
obviously take a lot longer in heavy traffic.
Those extra ambulance minutes could mean the difference between a
patient dying or living.


What is a "cycle responder"?

Please provide a link to some evidence of this six-minute response
time and of the proportion of cases to which it applies.


I already posted a link earlier in this thread.

Here it is again:

Cycle responder
Cycle respondersCycle responders are fully trained to work on their own
and operate in busy areas which are difficult to travel through in a car
or ambulance. Staff on bikes can get through narrow streets, pedestrian
areas and shopping centres very easily.

They are able to reach patients quickly and start to give life-saving
treatment while an ambulance is on the way.

Facts about the cycle response unit:
Cycle responders attend approximately 16,000 calls a year.
They resolve around 50 per cent of all incidents at the scene.
Their average response time to calls is six minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...responder.aspx

--
Bod
  #38  
Old December 21st 17, 05:51 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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Posts: 11,574
Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street

On 21/12/2017 16:37, Bod wrote:
On 21/12/2017 16:27, JNugent wrote:
On 21/12/2017 15:17, Bod wrote:
On 21/12/2017 14:55, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 03:42:58 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 20/12/2017 23:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 10:56:35 PM UTC, James
Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:18:26 -0000, Simon Jester
wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:55:14 PM UTC, James
Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:12:29 -0000, soup
wrote:

On 20/12/2017 20:04, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 18:04:10 -0000, Simon Jester

wrote:

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 5:44:30 PM UTC, Bod wrote:
Several people were injured as a double-decker bus crashed
into several
cars on a busy street in the West End.

Paramedics were scrambled to Haymarket near Piccadilly
Circus station
shortly after midday on Wednesday.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3724376.html


*Why do these type of crashes never show the cyclists that
caused the
carnage.*
I think it's a cover up.

I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured
person to
hospital.

I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking an
injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI


Better to bring a vehicle capable of actually taking the
injured person away.* That's why every ambulance I've ever seen
has four wheels.* Trying to save money or something?


Better to stabilize the casualty at the scene then determine the
best way to move to hospital.
That is why we have paramedics rather than scoop and run
ambulances.

Hint: the ambulances have paramedics in them.


As do the Cycle Responders.
The difference is the Cycle Responders get there faster.
Thank you for proving my point.
Apology accepted in advance.

imagines Peter Hucker lying in the road and slowly bleeding to death,
then telling the cycle responder "GO AWAY YOU GAY CYCLIST!!* I'm gonna
wait till the ambulance gets here..... and put my leg back where you
found it under that car !"

Why would a cyclist get there faster than an ambulance with blue
lights and a siren?

Cycle responders in London take an average of 6 mins. Ambulances
obviously take a lot longer in heavy traffic.
Those extra ambulance minutes could mean the difference between a
patient dying or living.


What is a "cycle responder"?

Please provide a link to some evidence of this six-minute response
time and of the proportion of cases to which it applies.


I already posted a link earlier in this thread.


I missed it.

Please indulge me.


  #39  
Old December 21st 17, 05:56 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Bod[_5_]
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Posts: 3,516
Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashesinto cars in busy West End street


2 Jun 2016 - The situation is set to get worse, with traffic on our
roads expected to grow by up to 55% by 2040, and morning and evening
'rush hour' periods already lengthening as traffic volumes reach
saturation point in cities like London, Manchester and Bristol. The bus
sector has been hit the hardest, with journey ...

There's always room for an emergency vehicle.* Mount the pavement,
squash up to the sides etc.* A path can easily be made in the centre.
Ambulances need to get bull bars if it's a problem, any loonie not
getting out of the way is pushed out of the way.

Jeez!!!


Isn't it an offence not to get out of the way of an ambulance?

I've got the patience of a saint, but mine has run out with you.
Just **** off.

--
Bod
  #40  
Old December 21st 17, 05:57 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Mr Pounder Esquire
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Default Haymarket crash: Several injured as double-decker bus smashes into cars in busy West End street

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:34:21 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/12/2017 16:22, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:18:34 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 21/12/2017 15:54, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:49:17 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 21/12/2017 15:48, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:43:17 -0000, Bod
wrote:
On 21/12/2017 15:26, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:19:48 -0000, Bod
wrote:

On 21/12/2017 14:57, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 06:53:20 -0000, Bod
wrote:


I would like to know who arrived at the scene first.
The Ambulance, the car or the Cycle Responder?

I have never seen a cyclist capable of taking an injured
person to
hospital.


I have never seen a motorbike that was capable of taking
an injured
person to hospital but there are still motorbike
paramedics.
https://arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-exp...3HZFQ4QC62GWTI







Bicycle ambulances are still in use in third world
countries, they are
often trailered by a bicycle.

There are motorcycle ambulances and they have been used
for at least a
hundred years, some capable of carrying two injured, they
are usually
outfits (motorcycle with sidecar) some are more like
tuk-tuks.


Facts about the cycle response unit:

Cycle responders attend approximately 16,000 calls a year.
They resolve around 50 per cent of all incidents at the
scene. Their average response time to calls is six minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...responder.aspx






Are London drivers so rude they don't get out of the way of
an ambulance
then? An ambulance can go a lot faster than a bicycle, and
has room for
a bed in the back and several people.

Have it your way. Argue with yourself.

Can't you answer the question? The ambulance should easily be
able to
maintain about 30mph through busy streets with lights and
sirens on.
Categories and response times
Under the new system, there are four categories of calls -
please see the videos below about each:

Category one: for life-threatening injuries and illnesses,
specifically
cardiac arrest. These will need to be responded to in an
average time of
seven minutes.

Category two: for emergency calls, such as stroke patients.
These will
need to be responded to in an average time of 18 minutes.

Category three: for urgent calls such as abdominal pains, and
which will
include patients to be treated in their own home. These will be
responded to at least nine out of 10 times within 120 minutes.

Category four: less urgent calls such as diarrhoea and
vomiting and back
pain. Some of these patients will be given advice over the
telephone or
referred to another service such as a GP or pharmacist. These
less urgent calls will be responded to at least nine out of 10
times within
180 minutes.

http://www.londonambulance.nhs.uk/ca...e_categor.aspx




You're answering a question I didn't ask. Why do Londoners not
get out
of the way of an ambulance?

They do.

Then it should be able to maintain a speed higher than a cyclist.

In the rush hour, no.
You just haven't a clue about London.

All of your assumptions are wrong. Try thinking about reality.
Often the roads are gridlocked and sometimes there is no room to
move out of the way.


Average traffic speeds fall to below 10mph in UK's busiest cities
as ...
https://greenerjourneys.com/.../aver...0mph-in-uks-bu...

2 Jun 2016 - The situation is set to get worse, with traffic on our
roads expected to grow by up to 55% by 2040, and morning and
evening 'rush hour' periods already lengthening as traffic volumes
reach saturation point in cities like London, Manchester and
Bristol. The bus sector has been hit the hardest, with journey ...

There's always room for an emergency vehicle. Mount the pavement,
squash up to the sides etc. A path can easily be made in the
centre. Ambulances need to get bull bars if it's a problem, any
loonie not getting out of the way is pushed out of the way.

Jeez!!!


Isn't it an offence not to get out of the way of an ambulance?


It is in the way that you describe, **** fer brains.


 




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