Cadel Evans vs Michael Rogers

I get the impression Cadel is seen to be more of a local hero than
Michael Rogers.

Why is this?

I do like Cadel better but not sure why I dont feel as strongly
for Michael to succeed (though I do want him to, just more
strongly for Cadel).

Is this true in general or just me?

wrote:
I get the impression Cadel is seen to be more of a local hero than
Michael Rogers.

Why is this?

I do like Cadel better but not sure why I dont feel as strongly
for Michael to succeed (though I do want him to, just more
strongly for Cadel).

Is this true in general or just me?

How much money do they earn and are they paying Aussie tax?
Fit blokes making money, good on 'em, wouldn't know em from Joe Bloggs
otherwise.
As TISM say "B F W"

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I get the impression Cadel is seen to be more of a local hero than
Michael Rogers.

Why is this?

I do like Cadel better but not sure why I dont feel as strongly
for Michael to succeed (though I do want him to, just more
strongly for Cadel).

Is this true in general or just me?


Because Cadel has a sweet ride? (I like the Ridley for some reason
although I'd probably prefer a soloist)

Or he is in the same team as Robbie and can add glory to the Aussie
effort where as Rogers is likely to yield a lead out to Boonen who
might've beaten Robbie? Or maybe because no one realises how good
Rogers really is (although he underperformed in Stage 1)?

Who knows, I think it is a coverage thing and the current performance of
Cadel means he is more visible but the upcoming time trial might change
things a bit.

When 6% of the field is Aussie you can always find someone to cheer for.
Except O'Grady.

Cheers

BrettM

BrettM Wrote:
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Because Cadel has a sweet ride? (I like the Ridley for some reaso
although I'd probably prefer a soloist

Or he is in the same team as Robbie and can add glory to the Aussi
effort where as Rogers is likely to yield a lead out to Boonen wh
might've beaten Robbie? Or maybe because no one realises how goo
Rogers really is (although he underperformed in Stage 1)



Cheer

BrettMOn topic in a bit but first this interesting stuff that came u
today......
I was in a conversation today from some one in touch with the D-L team
that they ( the riders) are all in revolt over their Ridle
rides....except Axel and Robbie....seems *shock horror*,that Robbi
isnt actually on a Ridley, ( its from some Belgium guy wh
"cannibalised" the TdeF and made up to look like a Rid. with a 1 1/
bottom race on the headtube and a swish paint job to conceal Robbie'
needs OK...., ( Axel rides his dad's bikes anyway)..rumour has it tha
the Team Rid's are lousey down hill, and all the guys are complainin
they have to grind like buggery to keep up the pace at the front whe
Robbie calls for them, they just have to do it too hard compared to th
Disco boys and QS-I.....comment too from the source to effect tha
Cadel's bike is a fight for him, great for near vertical climbs, whic
is what he likes, but for anything else he has to work overtime to ge
it to deliver power, and bonks out or has to get a tow to keep i
touch( which is what has happened several times so far....so unless h
is forward on it on a wall, it doesnt grunt for him ( seat tube is ver
steep .....)...wonder where he would be if his bike was better suited
that 15th GC place could be much better..... it may be an interestin
thing to see how long they keep up the charade if this info check
out...just passing it along FYI...dont shoot the messenger...(and th
source is a good one., with major TdeF creds..

As for the other stuff, we will have to wait and see, Cadel has the bi
engine on the steep steep stuff, he just rides away from anyone when i
is above 10%, so bring on the Pyrenees....Michael is a plannin
tactician for set events, that's why he excells in the TT a
worlds....the TdeF is a lot different as it calls on all skills and
strong team to work with you...now that Boonen is out, maybe QS-I wil
help Micahel better.........Robbie is fast ( for 120-180 Meters), so h
needs a lead out and a tow to get in position, if he has to do i
himself, he usually can't finish off, and Stuey has all the smarts an
the endurance to do it all, he just lacks a cohesive team that wil
work for him and do it consistently....Baden is finished IMHO....we ar
probably seeing him in his last TdeF..
* Dream Sequence Follows*
Imagine a team with five domestiques, plus Stuey, Michael, Robbie an
Cadel....who would they (the Doms) be....McGee, Davis, Van Hout
Whitey, O'Neill....woohoo what a TTT lot and wouldnt that shake up th
Tour...now who has a big cheque book and wants to promote an Ozzi
Yellow, Green and Red Polka Dot Jersey, the White one too and the Tea
win all in one year....

But what a spectacle...vivé Le Tou

--
rooman

rooman wrote in
:

are
probably seeing him in his last TdeF...
* Dream Sequence Follows*
Imagine a team with five domestiques, plus Stuey, Michael, Robbie and
Cadel....who would they (the Doms) be....McGee, Davis, Van Hout,
Whitey, O'Neill....woohoo what a TTT lot and wouldnt that shake up
the
Tour...now who has a big cheque book and wants to promote an Ozzie
Yellow, Green and Red Polka Dot Jersey, the White one too and the Team
win all in one year.....

But what a spectacle...vivé Le Tour



I saw one of the Aussie's mention that (McEwen I think(?)) it would be
great if an Australian company stepped up to the plate and backed an
Aussie team in the pro tour. Pipe dreams but there are at least two
banks, four insurers and a couple of car companies that could handle it
not counting both of the mining companies.

Exposure - think of the coverage in Australia of an Australian team in
Europe flogging all comers (which would occasionally happen). Plus the
banks, insurers and mining companies I'm think of are all looking for
European investors. $15M is not that much.

Then there is Frank Lowry and Delfin Lend Lease. This company has 43
offices, including several in Europe, and numerous residential and
commercial properties.

The way I see it would probably be: -

Rogers, McGee and O'Grady strong in the classics but possible more as
domesitcs for Robbie (flat stages) and Cadel (GC) in the tours. McGee
is another option and possibly Rogers for the GC. And then there are
the younger blokes coming through Whitey et al. Egos might be an issue.

And as you said the TTT - the team would contain the core of one of the
most dominate 4000m pursuit teams in the world. I think could say it
would be quick.

Lets face it, someone needs to replace Discovery.

Cheers

Brett"off to find $15M"M

BrettM Wrote:
rooman wrote i


ar
probably seeing him in his last TdeF..
* Dream Sequence Follows
Imagine a team with five domestiques, plus Stuey, Michael, Robbie an
Cadel....who would they (the Doms) be....McGee, Davis, Van Hout
Whitey, O'Neill....woohoo what a TTT lot and wouldnt that shake u
th
Tour...now who has a big cheque book and wants to promote an Ozzi
Yellow, Green and Red Polka Dot Jersey, the White one too and th
Tea
win all in one year....

But what a spectacle...vivé Le Tou



I saw one of the Aussie's mention that (McEwen I think(?)) it would b
great if an Australian company stepped up to the plate and backed a
Aussie team in the pro tour. Pipe dreams but there are at least tw
banks, four insurers and a couple of car companies that could handle i
not counting both of the mining companies

Exposure - think of the coverage in Australia of an Australian team i
Europe flogging all comers (which would occasionally happen). Plus th
banks, insurers and mining companies I'm think of are all looking fo
European investors. $15M is not that much

Then there is Frank Lowry and Delfin Lend Lease. This company has 4
offices, including several in Europe, and numerous residential an
commercial properties

The way I see it would probably be:

Rogers, McGee and O'Grady strong in the classics but possible more a
domesitcs for Robbie (flat stages) and Cadel (GC) in the tours. McGe
is another option and possibly Rogers for the GC. And then there ar
the younger blokes coming through Whitey et al. Egos might be a
issue

And as you said the TTT - the team would contain the core of one of th
most dominate 4000m pursuit teams in the world. I think could say i
would be quick

Lets face it, someone needs to replace Discovery

Cheer

Brett"off to find $15M"M
yeah, then you have all of those "egos" in one teams, dont think i
would be much of a team, more like a bitch fight for top do
rights..... this is why Discovery works so well together, there is onl


--
MikeyO

I saw one of the Aussie's mention that (McEwen I think(?)) it would be
great if an Australian company stepped up to the plate and backed an
Aussie team in the pro tour. Pipe dreams but there are at least two
banks, four insurers and a couple of car companies that could handle it
not counting both of the mining companies.

Exposure - think of the coverage in Australia of an Australian team in
Europe flogging all comers (which would occasionally happen). Plus the
banks, insurers and mining companies I'm think of are all looking for
European investors. $15M is not that much.

Then there is Frank Lowry and Delfin Lend Lease. This company has 43
offices, including several in Europe, and numerous residential and
commercial properties.

The way I see it would probably be: -

Rogers, McGee and O'Grady strong in the classics but possible more as
domesitcs for Robbie (flat stages) and Cadel (GC) in the tours. McGee
is another option and possibly Rogers for the GC. And then there are
the younger blokes coming through Whitey et al. Egos might be an issue.

And as you said the TTT - the team would contain the core of one of the
most dominate 4000m pursuit teams in the world. I think could say it
would be quick.

Lets face it, someone needs to replace Discovery.

Cheers

Brett"off to find $15M"M

And to totally out-panache the euros, they should all ride Rivendell
customs. Apparently he can make up surprisingly light frames, even if they
are steel.

rooman Wrote:


... it may be an interesting thing to see how long they keep up th
charade if this info checks out...just passing it along FYI...don
shoot the messenger...(and the source is a good one., with major Tde
creds..)



roo, you were pushin this barrow weeks ago saying you didnt like th
look of em and knew someone who handed theirs back
messenger-with-an-urge you are :-). The ridley's could well be ****
for all i know but if people aint tryin different stuff progress doesn
get made. look what mtb'in did for bikes/components. Hey, maybe cade
could break out the cannondale again?

FWIW hasnt robbie stuck with the merckx or Litespeeds under tea
paintjobs for awhile now

--
flyingdutch

flyingdutch Wrote:

FWIW hasnt robbie stuck with the merckx or Litespeeds under tea
paintjobs for awhile now?

That's axl who's stuck with merkx.
Cyclingnews has a shoot of robbie's ridley - fitted with keos, so I go
that right

--
aeek

"Resound" wrote in
:


I saw one of the Aussie's mention that (McEwen I think(?)) it would
be great if an Australian company stepped up to the plate and backed
an Aussie team in the pro tour. Pipe dreams but there are at least
two banks, four insurers and a couple of car companies that could
handle it not counting both of the mining companies.

Exposure - think of the coverage in Australia of an Australian team
in Europe flogging all comers (which would occasionally happen).
Plus the banks, insurers and mining companies I'm think of are all
looking for European investors. $15M is not that much.

Then there is Frank Lowry and Delfin Lend Lease. This company has 43
offices, including several in Europe, and numerous residential and
commercial properties.

The way I see it would probably be: -

Rogers, McGee and O'Grady strong in the classics but possible more as
domesitcs for Robbie (flat stages) and Cadel (GC) in the tours.
McGee is another option and possibly Rogers for the GC. And then
there are the younger blokes coming through Whitey et al. Egos might
be an issue.

And as you said the TTT - the team would contain the core of one of
the most dominate 4000m pursuit teams in the world. I think could
say it would be quick.

Lets face it, someone needs to replace Discovery.

Cheers

Brett"off to find $15M"M

And to totally out-panache the euros, they should all ride Rivendell
customs. Apparently he can make up surprisingly light frames, even if
they are steel.



The egos will be the show stopper. How often has the Aussie cycling
team imploded after a major meet?

Speaking of Rivendell - do you know anyone with Saluki?

Cheers

BrettM