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Dear cyclists,
After years using wet lubes in all conditions (currently, a specific chain oil with PTFE from 3in1 http://www.3-en-un.fr/produit/lubrifiant-chaines-et-cables-250ml/), and being used to seing my chain getting very dirty, I have just learnt that I may avoid this by using dry lube instead. Actually, I have heard of one specific product, the Squirt dry lube http://www.squirtlube.com/our-products/. It is about twice more expensive than the lubricant I am currently using, but it is supposed to reduce cleaning work, and if it does make the chain cleaner, it may as well reduce its wear and extend its life. So, have any of you tried that lubricant, or any other dry one? Would you recommend it rather than wet lubes? My most important usage is a daily commuting through suburb streets and forest paths (in all weather conditions, therfore quite muddy when it rains, but now that summer is coming, it is going to be rather dry). -- Â*Â*__o Tanguy Â*__\,_ (_)|'(_) |
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On 4/24/2018 4:06 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
Dear cyclists, After years using wet lubes in all conditions (currently, a specific chain oil with PTFE from 3in1 http://www.3-en-un.fr/produit/lubrifiant-chaines-et-cables-250ml/), and being used to seing my chain getting very dirty, I have just learnt that I may avoid this by using dry lube instead. Actually, I have heard of one specific product, the Squirt dry lube http://www.squirtlube.com/our-products/. It is about twice more expensive than the lubricant I am currently using, but it is supposed to reduce cleaning work, and if it does make the chain cleaner, it may as well reduce its wear and extend its life. So, have any of you tried that lubricant, or any other dry one? Would you recommend it rather than wet lubes? My most important usage is a daily commuting through suburb streets and forest paths (in all weather conditions, therfore quite muddy when it rains, but now that summer is coming, it is going to be rather dry). Because the dry lubricant is pushed out from under the rollers but doesn't flow back in, you'll need to apply it more frequently. Some riders prefer dry lubes and neither is better once you adjust the replenishing interval to suit your mileage and riding conditions. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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One other thing, I have seen suggestions of lubricating only the chain,
and not the sprockets and derailleur. However, I think the derailleur sprockets still need some lubrication to roll with few friction, do they not? -- Tanguy |
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On 4/25/2018 4:54 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
One other thing, I have seen suggestions of lubricating only the chain, and not the sprockets and derailleur. However, I think the derailleur sprockets still need some lubrication to roll with few friction, do they not? No. The friction between the chain's rollers and the sprocket teeth is negligible. And if you add any lubricant to those surfaces, the lubricant will soon be filled with abrasive grime. That will accelerate wear and probably increase the friction. That's my estimation, anyway. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski, 2018-04-25 17:43+0200:
On 4/25/2018 4:54 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: One other thing, I have seen suggestions of lubricating only the chain, and not the sprockets and derailleur. However, I think the derailleur sprockets still need some lubrication to roll with few friction, do they not? No. The friction between the chain's rollers and the sprocket teeth is negligible. And if you add any lubricant to those surfaces, the lubricant will soon be filled with abrasive grime. That will accelerate wear and probably increase the friction. I was more thinking about the friction between the derailleur sprockets and their axles, actually. -- Tanguy |
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On 4/26/2018 4:03 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
Frank Krygowski, 2018-04-25 17:43+0200: On 4/25/2018 4:54 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: One other thing, I have seen suggestions of lubricating only the chain, and not the sprockets and derailleur. However, I think the derailleur sprockets still need some lubrication to roll with few friction, do they not? No. The friction between the chain's rollers and the sprocket teeth is negligible. And if you add any lubricant to those surfaces, the lubricant will soon be filled with abrasive grime. That will accelerate wear and probably increase the friction. I was more thinking about the friction between the derailleur sprockets and their axles, actually. Indeed those squeak when run dry and the steel ones show bright red oxide from heat. Yes, do lubricate them, which for most models means slacking the bolt to get your lubricant inside. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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AMuzi wrote:
On 4/26/2018 4:03 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: Frank Krygowski, 2018-04-25 17:43+0200: On 4/25/2018 4:54 AM, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: One other thing, I have seen suggestions of lubricating only the chain, and not the sprockets and derailleur. However, I think the derailleur sprockets still need some lubrication to roll with few friction, do they not? No. The friction between the chain's rollers and the sprocket teeth is negligible. And if you add any lubricant to those surfaces, the lubricant will soon be filled with abrasive grime. That will accelerate wear and probably increase the friction. I was more thinking about the friction between the derailleur sprockets and their axles, actually. Indeed those squeak when run dry and the steel ones show bright red oxide from heat. Yes, do lubricate them, which for most models means slacking the bolt to get your lubricant inside. But Tanguy has so little time! When damaged more than the rest of the deraileur has aged, just get cheap sealed bearing jockey wheels, fit and "forget" https://tacx.com/fr/products/galets-de-derailleurs/ |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Tanguy Ortolo
wrote: One other thing, I have seen suggestions of lubricating only the chain, and not the sprockets and derailleur. However, I think the derailleur sprockets still need some lubrication to roll with few friction, do they not? If you lube the chain (with whatever) some of that lube will be transferred to the sprockets. For proof simply handle a newly lubed chain :-) -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 24/04/18 19:06, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
Dear cyclists, After years using wet lubes in all conditions (currently, a specific chain oil with PTFE from 3in1 http://www.3-en-un.fr/produit/lubrifiant-chaines-et-cables-250ml/), and being used to seing my chain getting very dirty, I have just learnt that I may avoid this by using dry lube instead. Actually, I have heard of one specific product, the Squirt dry lube http://www.squirtlube.com/our-products/. It is about twice more expensive than the lubricant I am currently using, but it is supposed to reduce cleaning work, and if it does make the chain cleaner, it may as well reduce its wear and extend its life. So, have any of you tried that lubricant, or any other dry one? Would you recommend it rather than wet lubes? My most important usage is a daily commuting through suburb streets and forest paths (in all weather conditions, therfore quite muddy when it rains, but now that summer is coming, it is going to be rather dry). Like Frank said, wax alone allows and the chain will squeak sooner rather than later. I use much more oil than Frank though, about 50/50 candle wax and EP gear oil. Paraffin oil is also apparently quite good. My mixture cost me sweet F.A., and lasts at least 1000km between applications including some wet rides. Heat the mix in an old cooking pot until it is liquid and immerse the chain. Use a Connex quick link for convenience. Ok, you might get a little black on your fingers to put a dropped chain back on, but the chain, chain rings, cassette and jockey wheels don't get gummed up with thick hardened crud either. It's the best of three worlds. 1/ Long chain life. 2/ Low maintenance. 3/ Low cost. -- JS |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 09:55:06 +1000, James
wrote: On 24/04/18 19:06, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: Dear cyclists, After years using wet lubes in all conditions (currently, a specific chain oil with PTFE from 3in1 http://www.3-en-un.fr/produit/lubrifiant-chaines-et-cables-250ml/), and being used to seing my chain getting very dirty, I have just learnt that I may avoid this by using dry lube instead. Actually, I have heard of one specific product, the Squirt dry lube http://www.squirtlube.com/our-products/. It is about twice more expensive than the lubricant I am currently using, but it is supposed to reduce cleaning work, and if it does make the chain cleaner, it may as well reduce its wear and extend its life. So, have any of you tried that lubricant, or any other dry one? Would you recommend it rather than wet lubes? My most important usage is a daily commuting through suburb streets and forest paths (in all weather conditions, therfore quite muddy when it rains, but now that summer is coming, it is going to be rather dry). Like Frank said, wax alone allows and the chain will squeak sooner rather than later. I use much more oil than Frank though, about 50/50 candle wax and EP gear oil. Paraffin oil is also apparently quite good. My mixture cost me sweet F.A., and lasts at least 1000km between applications including some wet rides. Heat the mix in an old cooking pot until it is liquid and immerse the chain. Use a Connex quick link for convenience. Ok, you might get a little black on your fingers to put a dropped chain back on, but the chain, chain rings, cassette and jockey wheels don't get gummed up with thick hardened crud either. It's the best of three worlds. 1/ Long chain life. 2/ Low maintenance. 3/ Low cost. What is the consistency of your oil/wax mixture at room temperature? I've been using a bee's wax/paraffin/grease mixture that when hardened feels greaseless. The bee's wax addition came about simply because the shop where I bought the paraffin wax had some bee's wax and I thought "why not", although it was about double the paraffin cost. It does make the wax mixture a bit softer though. -- Cheers, John B. |
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