Handlebar bottleholder, in-flight failure, fix

On 2015-07-15 7:12 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:
Joerg considered Tue, 14 Jul 2015
07:39:50 -0700 the perfect time to write:

On 2015-07-14 5:13 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 7/13/2015 6:24 PM, Joerg wrote:
Folks,

In case someone else has this type of bottleholder. On a
gnarly section of trail my handlebar bottleholder
disintegrated. Luckily it did not get sucked into the front
wheel spokes or I probably would be quite bruised.

It turns out that the lower and upper portion are not made
from a single piece of wire but are separate. The press-fit
of the lower section let go and off it went. So I made a
bracket that prevents it from sliding out:

http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/bottleholder.JPG

The rubber is a snippet from an old road bike tube to
prevent rattling and also chafing of the rear brake hose.


The Ancients had that all worked out:

http://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe..._Bottles_3.jpg


I could imagine the park ranger stopping me and wanting to know what's
in those bottles :-)


In modernity we have lost their knowledge.


But with that contraption one would not want to get into this kind of
situation and get all cut up by the hose clamps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV9_i9MEnMg

If you can't manage to mount a bottle cage on the handlebars without
leaving sharp edges in dangerous positions, you should get someone
competent to do it for you.


As the photo in my first post evidences I can do so. The "ancients" took
a major risk with their contraptions. I'd never even leave the garage
with one of those.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2015-07-15 7:09 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:
AMuzi considered Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:13:46 -0500
the perfect time to write:

On 7/13/2015 6:24 PM, Joerg wrote:
Folks,

In case someone else has this type of bottleholder. On a
gnarly section of trail my handlebar bottleholder
disintegrated. Luckily it did not get sucked into the front
wheel spokes or I probably would be quite bruised.

It turns out that the lower and upper portion are not made
from a single piece of wire but are separate. The press-fit
of the lower section let go and off it went. So I made a
bracket that prevents it from sliding out:

http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/bottleholder.JPG

The rubber is a snippet from an old road bike tube to
prevent rattling and also chafing of the rear brake hose.


The Ancients had that all worked out:

http://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe..._Bottles_3.jpg

In modernity we have lost their knowledge.

I used to love having handlebar mounted bottle holders, as with a
straw, I could take a drink without using my hands.
It encourages regualr sipping of drinks instead of gulping at them,
which is a Good Thing. With downtube shifters, each time you reach
down to change gear, you almost get poked in the face with the straw,
so it becomes almost automatic to take a sip.

That's particularly useful when you are starting to struggle, and one
of the bottles has an energy mix in it (home produced, in those days).


One of the wee problems with a handlebar mount is that, when on gnarly
MTB turf, some of the water gets ejected during heavy jolts and lands on
the feet, legs, bike frame or elsewhere. With a sugary energy mix that
would make a mess and I'd probably have bees chasing me.

Now if I just could get a 20-30W roller dynamo going I could have a beer
cooler on my bike :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 7/15/2015 12:57 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-07-15 7:12 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:

If you can't manage to mount a bottle cage on the handlebars without
leaving sharp edges in dangerous positions, you should get someone
competent to do it for you.


As the photo in my first post evidences I can do so. The "ancients" took
a major risk with their contraptions. I'd never even leave the garage
with one of those.

Hmm. Are there any serious injuries documented as a result of that
"major risk"?

If not, it's probably not a "major risk." Instead, it's more "Danger!
Danger!" nonsense.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 7/15/2015 1:02 PM, Joerg wrote:

One of the wee problems with a handlebar mount is that, when on gnarly
MTB turf, some of the water gets ejected during heavy jolts and lands on
the feet, legs, bike frame or elsewhere. With a sugary energy mix that
would make a mess and I'd probably have bees chasing me.

Oooh, scary!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 1:02:06 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-07-15 7:09 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:
AMuzi considered Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:13:46 -0500
the perfect time to write:

On 7/13/2015 6:24 PM, Joerg wrote:
Folks,

In case someone else has this type of bottleholder. On a
gnarly section of trail my handlebar bottleholder
disintegrated. Luckily it did not get sucked into the front
wheel spokes or I probably would be quite bruised.

It turns out that the lower and upper portion are not made
from a single piece of wire but are separate. The press-fit
of the lower section let go and off it went. So I made a
bracket that prevents it from sliding out:

http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/bottleholder.JPG

The rubber is a snippet from an old road bike tube to
prevent rattling and also chafing of the rear brake hose.


The Ancients had that all worked out:

http://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe..._Bottles_3.jpg

In modernity we have lost their knowledge.

I used to love having handlebar mounted bottle holders, as with a
straw, I could take a drink without using my hands.
It encourages regualr sipping of drinks instead of gulping at them,
which is a Good Thing. With downtube shifters, each time you reach
down to change gear, you almost get poked in the face with the straw,
so it becomes almost automatic to take a sip.

That's particularly useful when you are starting to struggle, and one
of the bottles has an energy mix in it (home produced, in those days).


One of the wee problems with a handlebar mount is that, when on gnarly
MTB turf, some of the water gets ejected during heavy jolts and lands on
the feet, legs, bike frame or elsewhere. With a sugary energy mix that
would make a mess and I'd probably have bees chasing me.

Now if I just could get a 20-30W roller dynamo going I could have a beer
cooler on my bike :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Buy some 790ml POERADE, drink the stuff sometime, and use the empty bottle as your new water bottle. The 790ml POWERADE bottle has a flip cover that protects the spout from getting contaminate and also stops the contents from being spilled. I like those bottles a lot because if you ride through some wet farm field runoff you don't crap on your bottle spout.

Or you can get a Camelback and not worry about bottles at all.

Cheers

On 2015-07-15 12:27 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/15/2015 12:57 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-07-15 7:12 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:

If you can't manage to mount a bottle cage on the handlebars without
leaving sharp edges in dangerous positions, you should get someone
competent to do it for you.


As the photo in my first post evidences I can do so. The "ancients" took
a major risk with their contraptions. I'd never even leave the garage
with one of those.

Hmm. Are there any serious injuries documented as a result of that
"major risk"?

If not, it's probably not a "major risk." Instead, it's more "Danger!
Danger!" nonsense.


Ever seen a calf muscle slit halfway through? I have. And yes, it was a
bicycle accident. During a bad fall an aftermarket fender had acted as a
knife. The sad thing is that it would have been totally unavoidable but
the rider must have had a similar negligent thought process like you
just professed.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2015-07-15 12:32 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 1:02:06 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-07-15 7:09 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:
AMuzi considered Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:13:46
-0500 the perfect time to write:

On 7/13/2015 6:24 PM, Joerg wrote:
Folks,

In case someone else has this type of bottleholder. On a
gnarly section of trail my handlebar bottleholder
disintegrated. Luckily it did not get sucked into the front
wheel spokes or I probably would be quite bruised.

It turns out that the lower and upper portion are not made
from a single piece of wire but are separate. The press-fit
of the lower section let go and off it went. So I made a
bracket that prevents it from sliding out:

http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/bottleholder.JPG

The rubber is a snippet from an old road bike tube to prevent
rattling and also chafing of the rear brake hose.


The Ancients had that all worked out:

http://www.mytenspeeds.com/My_TenSpe..._Bottles_3.jpg



In modernity we have lost their knowledge.

I used to love having handlebar mounted bottle holders, as with
a straw, I could take a drink without using my hands. It
encourages regualr sipping of drinks instead of gulping at them,
which is a Good Thing. With downtube shifters, each time you
reach down to change gear, you almost get poked in the face with
the straw, so it becomes almost automatic to take a sip.

That's particularly useful when you are starting to struggle, and
one of the bottles has an energy mix in it (home produced, in
those days).


One of the wee problems with a handlebar mount is that, when on
gnarly MTB turf, some of the water gets ejected during heavy jolts
and lands on the feet, legs, bike frame or elsewhere. With a sugary
energy mix that would make a mess and I'd probably have bees
chasing me.

Now if I just could get a 20-30W roller dynamo going I could have a
beer cooler on my bike :-)

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Buy some 790ml POERADE, drink the stuff sometime, and use the empty
bottle as your new water bottle. The 790ml POWERADE bottle has a
flip cover that protects the spout from getting contaminate and also
stops the contents from being spilled. I like those bottles a lot
because if you ride through some wet farm field runoff you don't crap
on your bottle spout.


They fit a standard bottle cage? That's a good idea. Although the spout
on my current bottle is like that and after a short time it became tough
to open and close.


Or you can get a Camelback and not worry about bottles at all.


I've got one but only go through that filling-emptying-storage hassle if
it's a really long trip. Like a 50+ miler in the hills on a 105F day.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 16/07/15 05:28, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/15/2015 1:02 PM, Joerg wrote:

One of the wee problems with a handlebar mount is that, when on gnarly
MTB turf, some of the water gets ejected during heavy jolts and lands on
the feet, legs, bike frame or elsewhere. With a sugary energy mix that
would make a mess and I'd probably have bees chasing me.

Oooh, scary!


yawn at more imagined threats

I only put water in my water bottles.

--
JS

On 16/07/15 05:38, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-07-15 12:27 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/15/2015 12:57 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-07-15 7:12 AM, Phil W Lee wrote:

If you can't manage to mount a bottle cage on the handlebars without
leaving sharp edges in dangerous positions, you should get someone
competent to do it for you.


As the photo in my first post evidences I can do so. The "ancients" took
a major risk with their contraptions. I'd never even leave the garage
with one of those.

Hmm. Are there any serious injuries documented as a result of that
"major risk"?

If not, it's probably not a "major risk." Instead, it's more "Danger!
Danger!" nonsense.


Ever seen a calf muscle slit halfway through? I have. And yes, it was a
bicycle accident. During a bad fall an aftermarket fender had acted as a
knife. The sad thing is that it would have been totally unavoidable but
the rider must have had a similar negligent thought process like you
just professed.


If it was "totally unavoidable" there was nothing that could have been
done to avoid it.

I hope you have guards around your chainrings. I once saw a guy with an
imprint of the large chainring across his forehead - like Frankenstein's
monster where the top of his head had been stitched back on.

Oh, and do you use soft rubbery pedals or shin guards? I've seen some
nasty leg wounds inflicted by pedals.

How about those spokes? Ever seen the result of a body part that gets
inserted between the spokes of a spinning bicycle wheel? I have. It's
not pretty. I hope you use disc wheels front and back to avoid that
kind of injury. After all, it is totally avoidable.

--
JS

James wrote:
On 16/07/15 05:28, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/15/2015 1:02 PM, Joerg wrote:

One of the wee problems with a handlebar mount is that, when on gnarly
MTB turf, some of the water gets ejected during heavy jolts and lands on
the feet, legs, bike frame or elsewhere. With a sugary energy mix that
would make a mess and I'd probably have bees chasing me.

Oooh, scary!


yawn at more imagined threats

I only put water in my water bottles.

Me too. But I also put electrolyte powder in one of them. No sugar though.
Lol.

--
duane