Canti Brakes

On 3/17/2014 7:30 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 22:23:05 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/16/2014 8:29 PM, John B. wrote:


Frank, thanks for the e-mail when you had google problems but why not
use a proper Usenet reader. You can get a free copy of Forte Agent,
probably the best one, to try it.

It does make a difference, in fact I can't even begin to contemplate
reading google Usenet groups without it :-)

Google Groups has been refusing to accept posts, so I went back to
Eternal September and Thunderbird.

One definite advantage of Google Groups is, no setup required. I find
setting up E-S to be a major pain. So does the good friend I have, the
Linux geek who once told me "I was so sick with the flu, I didn't have
energy to do anything but build another computer."

I'm not looking forward to going through that setup process with three
computers, different operating systems, different networks.

What is E-S?

As for "setup" with Agent you need to (1) type in the provider, in my
case "news.albasani.net", enter the password and than (2) select the
groups one wants to read. Hardly an insurmountable task :-)



I guess he means Eternal September. You'd do the same with Agent. You
would have to get access to Eternal September first. Pretty straight
forward. Go to their site and fill out the form. Then follow your two
steps using news.eternal-september.org for step one.

There's something a little strange with some versions of Thunderbird
though where it doesn't give you public access. You end up with just a
few groups, but this must be a known problem because one of the groups
that you end up with is the help group and it has an entry telling you
what to do when you don't see all of the groups.

On 3/17/2014 8:35 AM, Duane wrote:
On 3/17/2014 7:30 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 22:23:05 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/16/2014 8:29 PM, John B. wrote:


Frank, thanks for the e-mail when you had google problems but why not
use a proper Usenet reader. You can get a free copy of Forte Agent,
probably the best one, to try it.

It does make a difference, in fact I can't even begin to contemplate
reading google Usenet groups without it :-)

Google Groups has been refusing to accept posts, so I went back to
Eternal September and Thunderbird.

One definite advantage of Google Groups is, no setup required. I find
setting up E-S to be a major pain. So does the good friend I have, the
Linux geek who once told me "I was so sick with the flu, I didn't have
energy to do anything but build another computer."

I'm not looking forward to going through that setup process with three
computers, different operating systems, different networks.

What is E-S?

As for "setup" with Agent you need to (1) type in the provider, in my
case "news.albasani.net", enter the password and than (2) select the
groups one wants to read. Hardly an insurmountable task :-)



I guess he means Eternal September. You'd do the same with Agent. You
would have to get access to Eternal September first. Pretty straight
forward. Go to their site and fill out the form. Then follow your two
steps using news.eternal-september.org for step one.

There's something a little strange with some versions of Thunderbird
though where it doesn't give you public access. You end up with just a
few groups, but this must be a known problem because one of the groups
that you end up with is the help group and it has an entry telling you
what to do when you don't see all of the groups.

Yes, that was one hangup. I remembered that from previously installing
Eternal September. I think it was resolved by checking "ask for
authentication when connecting" or something similar.

Two more details that stymied me were these: For Eternal September via
Thunderbird, it was critical to set "Connection Security" to "None."

And, with this brand new Windows 8.1, I'm finding that almost any
software I install (including Thunderbird) lands without permission to
write to the hard drive! I don't know if that's due to the McAfee that
came with the machine, or if it's a default part of 8.1. But with
Thunderbird (as well as several other things I've installed) it was
necessary to dive down to the *.exe file and give it specific permission
to write to disk, etc.

Maybe it's Win 8.1's version of friction paste?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:00:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/17/2014 8:35 AM, Duane wrote:
On 3/17/2014 7:30 AM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 22:23:05 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 3/16/2014 8:29 PM, John B. wrote:


Frank, thanks for the e-mail when you had google problems but why not
use a proper Usenet reader. You can get a free copy of Forte Agent,
probably the best one, to try it.

It does make a difference, in fact I can't even begin to contemplate
reading google Usenet groups without it :-)

Google Groups has been refusing to accept posts, so I went back to
Eternal September and Thunderbird.

One definite advantage of Google Groups is, no setup required. I find
setting up E-S to be a major pain. So does the good friend I have, the
Linux geek who once told me "I was so sick with the flu, I didn't have
energy to do anything but build another computer."

I'm not looking forward to going through that setup process with three
computers, different operating systems, different networks.

What is E-S?

As for "setup" with Agent you need to (1) type in the provider, in my
case "news.albasani.net", enter the password and than (2) select the
groups one wants to read. Hardly an insurmountable task :-)



I guess he means Eternal September. You'd do the same with Agent. You
would have to get access to Eternal September first. Pretty straight
forward. Go to their site and fill out the form. Then follow your two
steps using news.eternal-september.org for step one.

There's something a little strange with some versions of Thunderbird
though where it doesn't give you public access. You end up with just a
few groups, but this must be a known problem because one of the groups
that you end up with is the help group and it has an entry telling you
what to do when you don't see all of the groups.

Yes, that was one hangup. I remembered that from previously installing
Eternal September. I think it was resolved by checking "ask for
authentication when connecting" or something similar.

Two more details that stymied me were these: For Eternal September via
Thunderbird, it was critical to set "Connection Security" to "None."

And, with this brand new Windows 8.1, I'm finding that almost any
software I install (including Thunderbird) lands without permission to
write to the hard drive! I don't know if that's due to the McAfee that
came with the machine, or if it's a default part of 8.1. But with
Thunderbird (as well as several other things I've installed) it was
necessary to dive down to the *.exe file and give it specific permission
to write to disk, etc.

Maybe it's Win 8.1's version of friction paste?

There is an old British phrase that would seem to apply - "Horses for
courses", or in other words, don't enter a plow horse in the Grand
National and don't buy a race horse to pull a plow.

Thunderbird is a good e-mail program.
--
Cheers,

John B.