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Spoke tension amount?
My 2006 Fuji Touring bicycle has aluminum rims of unknown type. This
bike has a reputation for breaking spokes while doing fully-loaded touring. In fact I broke a couple. So I just replaced them with Wheelsmith 2.0mm spokes and nipples. But I'm left wondering what should be the proper tension in the spokes. My Park TM-1 tension meter table has a range of 17 to 28 units, or 51 to 179 kilograms, or 510 to 1790 Newtons. The tension meter says I now have about 26 units on the front spokes. On the rear it has about 27 on the drive side, and about 21 on the left side. Are these good amounts of tension for fully-loaded touring? Too tight? Too loose? Thanks for your help. |
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Bruce who wrote:
My 2006 Fuji Touring bicycle has aluminum rims of unknown type. This bike has a reputation for breaking spokes while doing fully-loaded touring. In fact I broke a couple. So I just replaced them with Wheelsmith 2.0mm spokes and nipples. But I'm left wondering what should be the proper tension in the spokes. You didn't say how many spokes your wheel has and how heavy the rim is. Therefore, advising how tight to make spokes has no basis. I am sure that 1.8mm diameter spokes would most likely be better for your use, assuming you have a reasonable number of spokes. My Park TM-1 tension meter table has a range of 17 to 28 units, or 51 to 179 kilograms, or 510 to 1790 Newtons. The tension meter says I now have about 26 units on the front spokes. On the rear it has about 27 on the drive side, and about 21 on the left side. I don't understand whose tensiometer you are using and why there is such a large span of acceptable tensions. The spokes need to be tight enough to not go slack when you statically sit on the saddle with the bicycle normally loaded. Bouncing on the saddle should not cause spokes to become slack. Are these good amounts of tension for fully-loaded touring? Too tight? Too loose? No way to tell what tension is right, as I said. Thanks for your help. You might look into the matter in "the Bicycle Wheel", a book that can be found at most better bicycle shops and on the web at Amazon or ABE Books. Jobst Brandt |
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I am a group 2 wheel builder that is I stop tightening way before reaching tensions plunked at the bike shop because: I lack necessary skills and two I take too long at it anyway, shortening time trueing leaving spokes a bit loose. My spoke do not 'tink', the spokes 'dunk' But I lube the DT spokes at the hub holes with Finish Line teflon/wax. Fill the holes both sides and coat the flanges so noooo dirt gets in there. So when the rear spokes flex under 60-80 pound loads, I weigh 165, movement is lubed not binding without lube and the holes stay round longer. Spokes do not break. generic spokes break: lubed DT's do not. |
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Bruce W.1 wrote:
My 2006 Fuji Touring bicycle has aluminum rims of unknown type. This bike has a reputation for breaking spokes while doing fully-loaded touring. In fact I broke a couple. So I just replaced them with Wheelsmith 2.0mm spokes and nipples. But I'm left wondering what should be the proper tension in the spokes. My Park TM-1 tension meter table has a range of 17 to 28 units, or 51 to 179 kilograms, or 510 to 1790 Newtons. The tension meter says I now have about 26 units on the front spokes. On the rear it has about 27 on the drive side, and about 21 on the left side. Are these good amounts of tension for fully-loaded touring? Too tight? Too loose? Thanks for your help. spoke tension isn't determined by load but by the rim manufacturer. [nor is it determined by spoke count.] if the rims are of unknown type, you're stuck with just guesstimating based on other rims that may appear similar for which you have been able to get the tension data. and if the spoke tension you're using now proves to be excessive, the rims will crack giving you a perfect excuse to re-rim with new ones for which you /can/ get the data. |
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On Mar 24, 6:06*pm, "Bruce W.1" wrote:
My 2006 Fuji Touring bicycle has aluminum rims of unknown type. *This bike has a reputation for breaking spokes while doing fully-loaded touring. *In fact I broke a couple. So I just replaced them with Wheelsmith 2.0mm spokes and nipples. *But I'm left wondering what should be the proper tension in the spokes. My Park TM-1 tension meter table has a range of 17 to 28 units, or 51 to 179 kilograms, or 510 to 1790 Newtons. The tension meter says I now have about 26 units on the front spokes. On the rear it has about 27 on the drive side, and about 21 on the left side. Are these good amounts of tension for fully-loaded touring? *Too tight? * Too loose? Thanks for your help. 100kgf freewheel side is a good place to start and recommended by a number of manufacturers. Raise the tension if 100kgf is not sufficient to keep the wheel true and tight. If you approach 120kgf and the wheel still goes slack with loaded riding, then you need to consider thread lock of some sort. You also need to make sure that you are relieving spoke wind-up during the truing process (if your newly trued wheels ping a lot when you saddle up, that's a problem). I think 26 units is pretty tight, but I don't recall what the Park chart says. Too tight is a problem these days because it will cause cracking around the spoke holes on many rims. There is a fine line these days between enough tension and too much. The Book has lots of good information, so does Sheldon Brown's web-site and some other sources. --- Jay Beattie. |
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Bruce W.1 Wrote: My 2006 Fuji Touring bicycle has aluminum rims of unknown type. This bike has a reputation for breaking spokes while doing fully-loaded touring. In fact I broke a couple. So I just replaced them with Wheelsmith 2.0mm spokes and nipples. But I'm left wondering what should be the proper tension in the spokes. My Park TM-1 tension meter table has a range of 17 to 28 units, or 51 to 179 kilograms, or 510 to 1790 Newtons. The tension meter says I now have about 26 units on the front spokes. On the rear it has about 27 on the drive side, and about 21 on the left side. Are these good amounts of tension for fully-loaded touring? Too tight? Too loose? Thanks for your help. 23.5 on the Park TM-1 with 2.0 mm spokes gives 100kgf. Good for front ... both sides & right rear. -- daveornee |
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jim beam wrote:
Bruce W.1 wrote: My 2006 Fuji Touring bicycle has aluminum rims of unknown type. This bike has a reputation for breaking spokes while doing fully-loaded touring. In fact I broke a couple. So I just replaced them with Wheelsmith 2.0mm spokes and nipples. But I'm left wondering what should be the proper tension in the spokes. My Park TM-1 tension meter table has a range of 17 to 28 units, or 51 to 179 kilograms, or 510 to 1790 Newtons. The tension meter says I now have about 26 units on the front spokes. On the rear it has about 27 on the drive side, and about 21 on the left side. Are these good amounts of tension for fully-loaded touring? Too tight? Too loose? Thanks for your help. spoke tension isn't determined by load but by the rim manufacturer. [nor is it determined by spoke count.] if the rims are of unknown type, you're stuck with just guesstimating based on other rims that may appear similar for which you have been able to get the tension data. and if the spoke tension you're using now proves to be excessive, the rims will crack giving you a perfect excuse to re-rim with new ones for which you /can/ get the data. ================================================== ============ The manual that came with the tension meter reinforces what you said. The rim strength determines the spoke tension. But I have no way of knowing what that is. So this is guesswork. BTW, each wheel has 36 spokes. In a moment of blinding truth it occured to me that I've got a brand new Surly LHT sitting here, so I measured its spoke tension. It is about the same as what I did. So I'm in the right ballpark. |
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