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Front bike rack on buses, heavy bikes
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 19:45:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Buy 2 seats Ford stole my idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T0UWLPhCco https://www.google.com/patents/US9334007 Sniff... Soon, everyone will be riding inflatable bicycles. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 10:25:52 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 08:26:57 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: You're most lkely SOL with nom-removable panniers. I don't know of any bus transit that allows panniers to be left on the bicycle. Sacramento Regional Transit makes no specific mention of removing panniers but does mention "bags". https://www.sacrt.com/biking.stm "Remove water bottles, bags, pumps and other loose items that could fall off while the bus is in motion." Santa Cruz METRO adds a few more items: https://www.scmtd.com/en/riders-guide/bikes-and-buses "Before the bus arrives, get your bike ready by removing any oversized equipment, or loose items not permanently attached, that might impair the Operator’s vision or fall off the bike." I guess(tm) that panniers might be considered "oversized equipment". -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 Well, Joerg will/would say that his panniers ARE permanently attached to his bicycle. However due to the fact that most bicycle wheels are held loosely in the bus front rack, his LOADED panniers would put alot of sideways forces on the bicycle wheels when the bus is in motion. Then again, when his wheels get bent he'll have something else to rant about. |
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Front bike rack on buses, heavy bikes
SR...freeze...your impulsive pre-emption is unwelcome....no reason to put words in another mouth.
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On 2017-09-17 10:25, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: Snipped That would be a no-go for me so I'd have to use my car like I do now. Especially on an MTB you can't have panniers that are just slung over the rack. Everything must be bolted and cinched in place or it goes flying on the trail. Snipped That's funny. I use my MTB to tour on really rough dirt roads and trails in Northern Ontario and I've NEVER had to bolt my panniers to the bike rack to keep the panniers from bouncing off. I do use an Arno strap to secure them though. I like to be able to remove my panniers QUICKLY if setting up camp in the rain. The trails I use make stuff in the panniers rotate as if it was a washing machine. My panniers can tolerate rain and I've ridden through rain for hours on end. I like bikes to have real trunks and permanent ones so I can just throw everything I need for the trip in there and go. Like with the car. If your panniers leak you could consider a plastic sheet snippet for camping, weighs nothing and folds down to almost nothing. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 9/17/2017 9:34 AM, Joerg wrote:
snip We don't have deals like that here but public buses have come a long way in the last five years for our county. Light rail allows bikes inside so no problem. Buses unfortunately not. The other challenge is that you can't count on availability for the way back. If both racks are occupied you are screwed, have to pedal back and be late. So I'd only use it for the way out even though that's downhill. Check your transit agency's policies. For ours: "When the racks are filled, up to two bicycles will be allowed inside the bus subject to the driver's discretion when passenger loads are light." And passenger loads on VTA are almost always light. But for SACRT they say: "Bikes are not allowed inside RT buses unless it is the last bus on the route that day, and the bike carrier is full." Caltrain is the problem. Even though all trains can hold either 72 or 80 bicycles, cyclists still get bumped, especially on the horribly misnamed "Baby Bullet," limited stop train which fills most of the way at the origin in San Jose or San Francisco. I get on in Sunnyvale, and I began taking a folding bicycle to ensure access. |
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Front bike rack on buses, heavy bikes
On 9/17/2017 7:54 AM, Joerg wrote:
Thinking about doing rides farther away without carting the bike there in my car. Or riding out farther and using a bus for some of the way back. Buses out here have racks for two bikes up front, like this: http://www.sacbike.dreamhosters.com/...us_No_2395.jpg Unfortunately the top-holding bar goes over the front wheel where the emergency dynamo is on my road bike instead of over the seat. Ok, I can remove that dynamo. However, both my road bike and my MTB are "rear-heavy" with panniers that contain lots of water, tools and such. Are they still safe in those racks? The other question is, El Dorado Transit and others state to "remove panniers and other baggage to allow safe operation of the bus". My panniers look detachable but they are not, there is a lot of stuff underneath that bolts and cinches them in place. While panniers that attach with stretch cord or springs will routinely bounce off on rough roads or trails, there are panniers that don't have that problem. I use the defunct Kangaroo Baggs which have never fallen off on rough terrain. They're more of a pain to put on and take off but not terribly difficult. Arkel has a camlock system that is secure, and they sell a retrofit kit for other panniers, see https://www.arkel-od.com/en/cam-lock-hook-kit-pair.html. But if you want panniers that thieves can't easily steal, bolt-on is a good idea I guess. |
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On 2017-09-18 08:19, sms wrote:
On 9/17/2017 7:54 AM, Joerg wrote: Thinking about doing rides farther away without carting the bike there in my car. Or riding out farther and using a bus for some of the way back. Buses out here have racks for two bikes up front, like this: http://www.sacbike.dreamhosters.com/...us_No_2395.jpg Unfortunately the top-holding bar goes over the front wheel where the emergency dynamo is on my road bike instead of over the seat. Ok, I can remove that dynamo. However, both my road bike and my MTB are "rear-heavy" with panniers that contain lots of water, tools and such. Are they still safe in those racks? The other question is, El Dorado Transit and others state to "remove panniers and other baggage to allow safe operation of the bus". My panniers look detachable but they are not, there is a lot of stuff underneath that bolts and cinches them in place. While panniers that attach with stretch cord or springs will routinely bounce off on rough roads or trails, there are panniers that don't have that problem. I use the defunct Kangaroo Baggs which have never fallen off on rough terrain. They're more of a pain to put on and take off but not terribly difficult. Arkel has a camlock system that is secure, and they sell a retrofit kit for other panniers, see https://www.arkel-od.com/en/cam-lock-hook-kit-pair.html. That only works if the cam has good spring action and holds with a lot of force. Else it'll jump and rattle, and eventually fail. A whole lot of force. The other problem is the bungee which will allow a loaded pannier to flop and bang sideways during rough rides. On my MTB 80-90% of miles are rough. My panniers have four hooks and I slid in a thick Perspex plate above. It is nicely rounded so won't chafe. Has two big M6 bolts to a home-made rack "undercarriage". That way it cannot jump or rattle up an down. The hooks have thick bicycle tubing over them for nice cushioning. The bungees are not used but the panniers are solidly affixed to the vertical struts of the racks. On the MTB it would take tools and half an hour to assemble and re-assemble. Not gonna happen, then I keep using my car instead of changing to public transit. But if you want panniers that thieves can't easily steal, bolt-on is a good idea I guess. They can still easily open them or slit them with a knife. This is why I never leave the bike unattended. If a store doesn't allow me to carry the bike inside I will shop elsewhere. This is one reason why I only buy online at Walmart, not in stores. And only when they free-ship to the house, no ship-to-store because they made me park the bike outside even there. On the road bike the battery for lights and stuff rides in the right pannier so I'd also have to disconnect that. I was also thinking about carrying a large drinking water container in the left pannier when I find one with a fitting shape, with the hose tied to the top tube. That way I wouldn't have to stop for transfers into the bottle. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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