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On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 08:23:53 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 10:32:44 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 07:16:35 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 8:15:27 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote: On 8/1/2019 10:22 PM, John B. wrote: On Thu, 01 Aug 2019 20:23:09 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 8/1/2019 7:29 PM, John B. wrote: I know this is off topic but I don't find the answer anywhere else. Today's news has Pres. Trump accusing the Chinese of continuing to sell fentanyl to the United States -- "and many Americans continue to die!" But my research shows that fentanyl is a medical drug for the alleviation of severe pain and as such I would assume to be a controlled substance. How than, "many Americans continue to die!" ? -- cheers, John B. Like the situation the past few years in Philippines[1], where legal pharmaceutical stimulants were suddenly and voluminously exceeded by imported methamphetamine from the Norks, Red China and a new domestic industry, the bulk of USA street Fentanyl is not rerouted anaesthetic pharmaceuticals but rather imports from China and China routed through Mexico. This is not news: https://www.news-herald.com/news/ohi...57599081b.html Since the transfer cost of contraband is relatively fixed by mass, imports tend to extremely powerful versions and analogs, notably veterinary Carfentanyl http://www.ottawapublichealth.ca/en/...rfentanil.aspx [1] As with Mr Trump, Mr Duterte has reacted to a real problem, You may disagree with either man's policy or style or rhetoric, but the problems are indeed real. Facts are stubborn things... Frankly while the "solution" may seem to be to get the host country to ban the substance, whatever it may be, in reality that doesn't work. In the recent past Opium was legally sold in Laos. You could go to the market and buy it. Than the U.S. beat the Laotians over the head and got them to outlaw opium and its depravities and while it was no longer sold in the market the production of opium and its depravities actually grew and today it is estimated that Laos and Myanmar (not the major grower of poppies) produced 893 metric tons of opium, in 2013, a 22 percent growth from the previous year. How can this be? Well Europe and the U.S. will buy, albeit illicitly, just about all the opium products that a small country can produce and not surprisingly to any student of economics where a market exists a source will be found to supply it. The current largest producer of poppies in the world is Afghanistan with some 225,000 hectares ( 555,987 acres)in production. What is the solution? Simple, penalize the users. If the demand is reduced then the supply will also be reduced. Is it politically possible in a country like the U.S.? Probably not. -- cheers, John B. "What is the solution? Simple, penalize the users." The net effect of the first hundred years of near-worldwide heroin ban hasn't worked out all that well. Seems to have merely kept the price up, encouraging supply. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 And thereby making the rich even richer as they deal it. I heroin the MAIN reason the USA and Canada went into Afghanistan? LOL VBRG Cheers If heroin is the main reason that The U.S. and Canada went into Afghanistan then they weren't very successful given that Afghanistan is the single largest producer of Opium and its derivatives in the world :-) -- cheers, John B. What I meant was did those two countries go into Afghanistan to SECURE the opium poppy trade/source? VBEG Cheers Oh! I don't think so, or at last from what I've read, Afganstan is in the feudal governmental stage of development with Lords, Dukes and Counts, except that they call them War Lords, owning or controlling much of the land outside the cities, rather like England in 1066. And, since the Warlords control most of the country side, and the population, i.e. soldiers, outside the cities anyone wanting to control Afghanistan must be friendly with the Warlords and give them guns to keep them strong and heaps of money to keep them friendly, and not enquire too deeply into how they run their bailiwick. And, perhaps the easiest money crop for the Warlords to grow, on their land, is Opium. As an aside, almost exactly as Laos in the old Air America days :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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