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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
"Dan Volker" wrote in message ...
"Jonesy" wrote in message om... "Dan Volker" wrote in message ... "Jonesy" wrote in message om... "Dan Volker" wrote in message ... Oh, and the Liquid 25 is not a free ride bike, its an "All Mountain" bike. Ahh, another idiot who's fallen for marketing hype. Hmmm, a 5" travel bike, in the 30-35lb range, sort of inbetween XC and DH. Versus the idiot who has fallen for the "lighter is better" hype You must have me confused with someone else. I've never written that. If you had any clue at all, you'd already know I prefer durable over light. This had just gravitated to "marketing hype". Actually, it hadn't. By calling a freeride bike an "all mountain" bike, the bike companies get to market to a different demographic. Same bike, different image, more buyers. You are the idiot in my comment. Had you been included in an "idiot category" that I was talking about as a market niche That's a nice backstroke, but I'm not buying it. If you had meant plural idiots, you should have written it that way. Getting all pedantic is pretty funny, however. Trying to recast your comments as general is damn hilarious - flail on, boy! along with the "lure" of less mental involvement required when using a SS bike Oh, now I'll bet you really are gonna feel stupid. I don't have a SS, and I don't think they're all that great. I *like* gears. Maybe I did make a mistake here See, now that's where you should have stopped. You goofed, and *almost* made an admission that you goofed, but then you went and just shoved your head right back up your ass again. *sigh* And it a Trek "girl's" name --the rep is a girl. Woman, Danny. If they are under the age of puberty, they're girls. [snip] First you get all ****y 'cuz I don't use the exact, specific term for whatever marketing droid came up with for your bike, and then you don't like it when someone else corrects *your* terminology? Nice double-standard, Danny. Of course, when you're flailing about, anything to argue about is good. My mistake for ASSuming. Just your mistake for being an ass.... The irony is hilarious. I will have to talk with her again before I hand over her number or name on the Internet to a "piece of work" like yourself. Just e-mail me her Trek e-mail addy. That ought to be good enough. But you ain't got the guts to hear that I was right, AND wouldn't be man enough to admit you were wrong, so I won't expect too much. Next time I go to the LBS Ah, now comes the dodge-and-weave. I knew you were too chicken**** to come through. LOL - every post you make verifies the criticisms of you. Classic "Rule of Holes" example. Don't bother with her e-mail Danny - I have something better in mind... -- Jonesy |
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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
"Jonesy" wrote in message om... light. This had just gravitated to "marketing hype". Actually, it hadn't. By calling a freeride bike an "all mountain" bike, the bike companies get to market to a different demographic. Same bike, different image, more buyers. You are the idiot in my comment. Somehow I feel as though I'm argueing with a retard. You are practically defining one basic form of marketing hype. In any event, there is a useful distinction here, so its not the grave injustice you would attribute to it. By your own admission, many X-country bikes have evolved into lightweight machines that are clearly sacrificing some durability for lighter weight. There is a market niche out there, composed of people who don't want this at all, but instead, want a bike which is built to take more abuse. This market is not interested in hucking 8 foot drops, or riding a dirt jump over and over again ( covering about 150 feet of trail in one whole day). That would be the pure "Freeride Bike" market, where bikes are evolving into machines which can take bigger and bigger drops--as in being able to jump over busses or houses;-) and in this evolution, with typal degeration of species, the bikes won't have to climb well, since these riders are not concerned with aerobic performance, and would often prefer to walk or take a shuttle, than to pedal uphill. Who knows, some of these bikes may even come with an ashtray or cigarette holder. .. The market actually trail rides and climbs hills, but that is looking for more durrable and more reasonable abuse potential, have a category "created" for them, called "All Mountain" bikes. While in its early development, such categorization may well be more marketing hype, if it really is something that people want, and the niche is large enough, this will be an area where the bikes really are going to evolve toward the desire of the group. These all mountain bikes should get even better, more plush suspension, but climbing will continue to improve, and the weight will stay far below the dedicated freeride bikes, but well above the 22 pound x-country noodles. Had you been included in an "idiot category" that I was talking about as a market niche That's a nice backstroke, but I'm not buying it. If you had meant plural idiots, you should have written it that way. Getting all pedantic is pretty funny, however. Trying to recast your comments as general is damn hilarious - flail on, boy! Actually I think you could be either a singular idiot or a plural idiot---like "a sheep" or "sheep". But at least your good at it, and we all know how proud you are.... My mistake for ASSuming. Just your mistake for being an ass.... I will have to talk with her again before I hand over her number or name on the Internet to a "piece of work" like yourself. Just e-mail me her Trek e-mail addy. That ought to be good enough. But you ain't got the guts to hear that I was right, AND wouldn't be man enough to admit you were wrong, so I won't expect too much. Next time I go to the LBS Ah, now comes the dodge-and-weave. I knew you were too chicken**** to come through. LOL - every post you make verifies the criticisms of you. Classic "Rule of Holes" example. Don't bother with her e-mail Danny - I have something better in mind... Fine, get your lazy ass on the phone with Trek Technical Support. I'd much rather have Trek see you as completely unrelated to me ( in other words, I'd rather not be the one introducing you). Dan V |
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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
"Dan Volker" wrote in message . ..
"Jonesy" wrote in message om... light. This had just gravitated to "marketing hype". Actually, it hadn't. By calling a freeride bike an "all mountain" bike, the bike companies get to market to a different demographic. Same bike, different image, more buyers. You are the idiot in my comment. Somehow I feel as though I'm argueing with a retard. Arguing, even. And an even more ironic comment that your previous ones. Keep on flailing, I love every minute of it. You are practically defining one basic form of marketing hype. No ****? How did you figure that one out? Oh, right - because I said it was hype in the first place. . The market actually trail rides and climbs hills, but that is looking for more durrable and more reasonable abuse potential, have a category "created" for them, called "All Mountain" bikes. Which, oddly, has the same sorts of components and specs that "freeride" bikes had 3 years ago. How odd. And of course, the "freeride" bikes are no longer that, but are now "black diamond" bikes, the PC term for free-riding. Just like there is a range of XC bikes, from super-light to downright piggish, there is a range of "free-ride" bikes in the same fashion. Calling them something different doesn't make them different. "Race" XC, "Epic" XC, etc. That's a nice backstroke, but I'm not buying it. If you had meant plural idiots, you should have written it that way. Getting all pedantic is pretty funny, however. Trying to recast your comments as general is damn hilarious - flail on, boy! Actually I think you could be either a singular idiot or a plural idiot---like "a sheep" or "sheep". Bzzzt. Wrong, as usual. Next time I go to the LBS Ah, now comes the dodge-and-weave. I knew you were too chicken**** to come through. LOL - every post you make verifies the criticisms of you. Classic "Rule of Holes" example. Don't bother with her e-mail Danny - I have something better in mind... Fine, get your lazy ass on the phone with Trek Technical Support. LOL. Lazy? I was looking for you to back up your smack talk with something solid. And, as usual, all you have is excuses and qualifiers. Backstroker extraordinaire. I'd much rather have Trek see you as completely unrelated to me LOL! Like you actually have something to lose from an innocent question. Sure thing, Mr. Ego. So I did ask Trek customer support. If you go to the Trek website, and fill in their tech assistance form with your e-mail and question text, they get right back to you. I have e-mail sitting in my inbox, and I'll bet you'd love to know what they said. Well, since I'm actually following up your comments, I think we both know what they said. Maybe your tech rep is a rookie, or is mistaken, or you are just a liar - I don't know which. Since anyone can fill in that form and ask about components on a bike being different from the ones listed on the website or the catalog, I am guessing you went all the way out on the limb because you figured that bluff and bluster are enough to get by. Any old retard can go to the website and fill in the form. What does that say about you? And if *anyone* questions that I actually hold the e-mails, I will forward a copy to them if they want proof. But they can get the same answer I did by e-mailing Trek tech support, so why would they bother? A real man would admit his mistakes. Too bad you can't, huh, Danny? -- Jonesy |
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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
"Jonesy" wrote in message om... So I did ask Trek customer support. If you go to the Trek website, and fill in their tech assistance form with your e-mail and question text, they get right back to you. I have e-mail sitting in my inbox, and I'll bet you'd love to know what they said. Well, since I'm actually following up your comments, I think we both know what they said. Maybe your tech rep is a rookie, or is mistaken, or you are just a liar - I don't know which. Since anyone can fill in that form and ask about components on a bike being different from the ones listed on the website or the catalog, I am guessing you went all the way out on the limb because you figured that bluff and bluster are enough to get by. Any old retard can go to the website and fill in the form. What does that say about you? And if *anyone* questions that I actually hold the e-mails, I will forward a copy to them if they want proof. But they can get the same answer I did by e-mailing Trek tech support, so why would they bother? A real man would admit his mistakes. Too bad you can't, huh, Danny? If I made one, I would admit it. In this case, I don't know if you are fabricating stories or what, but to see the result from the Trek site, I e-mailed a question in, asking for clarification on the information you were putting out, that Trek 25's or 50's could be assembled in bike shops with equipment other than what is speced on the website for them. Here is the response: Thanks for writing I would say this is untrue. We spec the 25 with the SPV, the 30 and 10 belongs to our all mountain adjustable travel category (which would be the fox). And the 25 and 55 to our all mountain fixed travel (which would be the SPV). We do not recommend shops changing out parts for others. What we spec on the bike from factory is what should be solf on the bike unless the consumer has something changed out to his liking. Josh Vick Gary Fisher/Trek Tech Support -- Jonesy |
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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
"Dan Volker" wrote in message . ..
"Jonesy" wrote in message om... A real man would admit his mistakes. Too bad you can't, huh, Danny? If I made one, I would admit it. In this case, I don't know if you are fabricating stories or what, but to see the result from the Trek site, I e-mailed a question in, asking for clarification on the information you were putting out, that Trek 25's or 50's could be assembled in bike shops with equipment other than what is speced on the website for them. Here is the response: Thanks for writing I would say this is untrue. We spec the 25 with the SPV, the 30 and 10 belongs to our all mountain adjustable travel category (which would be the fox). And the 25 and 55 to our all mountain fixed travel (which would be the SPV). We do not recommend shops changing out parts for others. What we spec on the bike from factory is what should be solf on the bike unless the consumer has something changed out to his liking. Josh Vick Gary Fisher/Trek Tech Support Are you really that gullible? Wow, words taken from someone who is *paid* to sing the party line. It MUST be true! Maybe some day you will grow a brain, Vo2lker. JD |
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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
"Dan Volker" wrote in message . ..
"Jonesy" wrote in message om... So I did ask Trek customer support. If you go to the Trek website, and fill in their tech assistance form with your e-mail and question text, they get right back to you. I have e-mail sitting in my inbox, and I'll bet you'd love to know what they said. Well, since I'm actually following up your comments, I think we both know what they said. Maybe your tech rep is a rookie, or is mistaken, or you are just a liar - I don't know which. Since anyone can fill in that form and ask about components on a bike being different from the ones listed on the website or the catalog, I am guessing you went all the way out on the limb because you figured that bluff and bluster are enough to get by. Any old retard can go to the website and fill in the form. What does that say about you? And if *anyone* questions that I actually hold the e-mails, I will forward a copy to them if they want proof. But they can get the same answer I did by e-mailing Trek tech support, so why would they bother? A real man would admit his mistakes. Too bad you can't, huh, Danny? If I made one, I would admit it. Well, you've made two big ones so far, and are doing your damnest to avoid them. I e-mailed a question in, asking for clarification on the information you were putting out, that Trek 25's or 50's could be assembled in bike shops with equipment other than what is speced on the website for them. I never claimed that at all. *You* claimed that. I'll let you root around in the posts to try and find where I claimed that, anywhere. Here is the response: Could you print for all of us EXACTLY what the question was? I think you are setting up a nice, fat lie to save face... I would say this is untrue. What would that be? Your question is unknown, so maybe you are "cooking the books." We spec the 25 with the SPV, the 30 and 10 belongs to our all mountain adjustable travel category (which would be the fox). And the 25 and 55 to our all mountain fixed travel (which would be the SPV). Hmmm, now I see where you start the lying, Danny. How pathetic. Anyone can go look up where we were talking about FORK specs! The shock in the frame is model-specific. No argument was ever made to the contrary. You'd better go back and do some reading, before I have to humiliate you further. We do not recommend shops changing out parts for others Ooops, this implies the *shop* is making the change, rather than the changes originating at the factory. I never claimed the *shop* made the change. That was *your* claim. What we spec on the bike from factory is what should be solf on the bike unless the consumer has something changed out to his liking. Exactly. The key phrase "...we spec on the bike from the factory." Not "how the bike is specced on the wesite" IOW, the bikes might actually come from the factory with a different fork spec, JUST LIKE I CLAIMED. This is very sad attempt, Danny. Now don't make me go back and show you that we were talking about forks, and not the shock in the frame, nor that the LBS was swapping out parts, and just admit that you were wrong. And I have the header info from the e-mail (from Josh) that shows I actually have the e-mail. You can't even lie very well, can you? Let the backstroking begin... -- Jonesy |
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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
"Jonesy" wrote in message m... "Dan Volker" wrote in message . .. "Jonesy" wrote in message om... So I did ask Trek customer support. If you go to the Trek website, and fill in their tech assistance form with your e-mail and question text, they get right back to you. I have e-mail sitting in my inbox, and I'll bet you'd love to know what they said. Well, since I'm actually following up your comments, I think we both know what they said. Maybe your tech rep is a rookie, or is mistaken, or you are just a liar - I don't know which. Since anyone can fill in that form and ask about components on a bike being different from the ones listed on the website or the catalog, I am guessing you went all the way out on the limb because you figured that bluff and bluster are enough to get by. Any old retard can go to the website and fill in the form. What does that say about you? And if *anyone* questions that I actually hold the e-mails, I will forward a copy to them if they want proof. But they can get the same answer I did by e-mailing Trek tech support, so why would they bother? A real man would admit his mistakes. Too bad you can't, huh, Danny? If I made one, I would admit it. Well, you've made two big ones so far, and are doing your damnest to avoid them. I e-mailed a question in, asking for clarification on the information you were putting out, that Trek 25's or 50's could be assembled in bike shops with equipment other than what is speced on the website for them. I never claimed that at all. *You* claimed that. I'll let you root around in the posts to try and find where I claimed that, anywhere. Sorry weasel, here is just one of your posts to this effect : Dan Volker" wrote in message .. . "Jonesy" wrote in message om... It helps to know *something*, so you can separate the hype from the reality. In your case, knowing something may be too much to hope for :-) Look up the word "irony." Since the Trek Liquid 25 rode better than any of the other bikes I demoed or rode on real trails Which ones were those? Canondales, Specialized, Diamond Back What models? Santa Cruz Blur, Intense Spyder. I didn't know these were long-travel free-ride style bikes. Hmmm. 100% bull****. Why? I rode a Fuel 90 the day before, and they had the same craptastic Bontrager tires. Even the same damn size. And according to my tire gauge, they were filled to the same pressure, and were ridden on the same trail. The Fuel was slightly flexy, but you really had to be paying attention to notice. The Liquid was all over the damn place. And it wasn't only the rear. The damn Rock Sux Pilot they had on there blew chunks every which way. It must suck when your mind goes---try to remember I was talking about an entirely different bike than you are. Trek Liquid. That's the bike, right? Whether it's a 25 or a 30, you're just being dumb (redundancy, I know, I know...) Flexy, fiddly travel adjust that wasn't worth anything - not confidence inspiring. Which does not exist on a 25. Check the website. Which makes exactly what difference in how flexy the bike is? You still haven't manged to explain that... Don't you just love it when you catch someone spewing bull**** ? :-) Like just now, you are going on about the Liquid and how bad the Rock Sux Pilot was----The thing is Jonesy, that the Liquid 25 does not come with Rock Shocks. Sure it does. Look at the website - a psylo. [snip specs] My mistake - I clicked on the 30. There is no other way a 25 gets spec'd. Its not up to the LBS. Ooops, you had me, then you went and got all stupid. There are two Trek dealers within 10 miles of here. They each have a boatload of Fuels and Liquids in the stores. So, I went and looked at the Liquids. Near LBS, Liquid 25 - Manitou Black Far LBS, Liquid 25 - Rock Shox Pilot Near LBS, Fuel 90 - Rock Shox Psylo Far LBS, Fuel 90 - Manitou Black. Hmmm, maybe you don't know everything about how every LBS specs, loans, test-rides, or prices their bikes, huh? Mine had a Pilot, maybe specced by the LBS - who knows? Yes, I think I know exactly what I rode. Maybe it was not specced out EXACTLY like the ones at your LBS, but here's the details: Adjustable-height shock. Hayes Hydraulics. Bontrager wheelset and tires. Pilot fork. Not a 25. No ****. It was a 30. I know you think you're making a point, so I'm gonna leave it at "yeah, the 25 and 30 are completely different bikes - so different they feel like they were made by different manufacturers." LMAO. You must have been riding the adjustable travel version--maybe a Liquid 10--this is a completely differrent bike, one without SPV. Yo, ****-for-brains - it's the very same frame. Only the paint is different. So, I was riding one with a black-painted frame - what does *that* tell you, genious? [snip no-response] If you look at the pictures of the frames, the 30 got the black paint. The Liquid 25 has Manitou shocks with SPV front and rear. The Liquid 25 handles NOTHING like the Liquid 10---I would NEVER buy a Liquid 10. It's the same damn frame. And side/side flex has NOTHING to do with the type of shock. The mounting points are exactly alike, and these shocks all move in only one axis. The ass end would flex LATERALLY on corners, regardless of the shock's position in it's stroke. That's not the shock, bubba. It's the bike. Consider that when doing some high speed cornering, the rear shock should be engaging in both positive and negative travel, to keep the rear wheel glued to the ground as much as possible. Exactly what has this to do with the internals filtering low-frequency inputs? What's that, you say? Nothing? Yup, you're right. When you're not pedalling, the bikes have *essentially* the same behavior, assuming the shock is set up correctly. Apparently, the Rockshock does not--if it is possible to garner some sense from all the erroneus conclusions you are drawing Before you swell any more, let me clue you in: Fox TALAS R. It wasn't the tires, nor the pressure in them. Nice try, though. Well, you messed up on identifying what was "most catastrophically wrong" by riding and reviewing a totally different bike Have you forgotten that the frame is the same? Have you forgotten that the shocks keep the tires tracking on the trail, so that they don't loose traction ? So, one of these shocks, the one that keeps the bike from bobbing when pedalling, somehow does a better job of doing something other than that than the shock that wasn't designed to keep the bike from bobbing when pedalling? You're no mechanical genious, that's for damn sure. Clue (again): When not pedalling, the shocks will act almost identically, since they were both designed to do exactly that. ONE of these shocks will filter low-freq. inputs, and the other won't. Trail bumps are not low-freq. Clue (yet again): If the wheel is not in contact with the trail as much, then the rear end wouldn't apear to flex as much. Has to have contact with the ground in order to flex the system. And again, even if a person does not want to buy a Trek, going to a Trek DEMO at a good trail, will be much easier for most Americans than finding a LBS that will let you ride their bikes on a good trail. Now you know about LBSs across the country? You're an idiot. I know what I hear from other riders on NG's Except what you think you know, you actually don't. Funny, that's a recurring theme with you. You know all about SS bikes. Ooops, you don't. You know all about "technical." Ooops, you don't. You know all about how minor spec differences make a world of difference on bikes with the same frame. LOL, nope. Now, you know all about the pricing, speccing, loaning and sexual habits of every LBS in the world. Uhh, yeah. Four LBSs within a 15 mile radius. All four will let you take a bike for the day. Mostly, the policy is, "you break it, you own it." So you blanket statement just doesn't wash. Oh, it was the wrong bike alright, but since all of the Liquid line has the same frame, minor things like whether or not the shock filters low-frequency inputs doesn't matter a bit. And comments like this beg the question---" Did you ever finish high school?" And your comments beg the question: Do you know how suspension components actually work, or is all you're good for is to make hilariously ironic quips? I rode a 30, you rode a 25. Saying that they are somehow vastly different strains even the mediocre mind. Sorry you are experiencing so much brain strain on this discussion. You obviously have reading comprehension problems. Maybe you should figure out where you went so horribly wrong and get back to me. LOL. Irony, much? I watched you ride in the video, and heard your description. Good enough for me, despite your mewling excuses afterwards. Really. Yeah, really. All your excuses just make you look like a whining kid. So, if you know so damn much, why aren't the Specialized or Marin bikes as good or better choices than your Liquid Rear End? I don't think they are. I didn't ask for a reiteration of your opinion, but for a WHY. You can't handle the truth A clever quip. But one that lets you wiggle out of explaining the differences. I know, when you run out of room, tap dance! Go ahead - so far you've had an amusing version of the truth, and I seem to be handling that just fine. Go ahead and try me, if you think you have what it take. Jonesey, I almost feel sorry for you. Almost. No you don't. You're afraid that if you give any details, you'll be exposed for the fraud that you are. LOL. -- Jonesy ------------------------------- Here is the response: Could you print for all of us EXACTLY what the question was? I think you are setting up a nice, fat lie to save face... Trek uses a form, so I don't have the e-mail I sent. I just explained that you were saying that bike shops could spec a Liquid 25 or 50 with the adjustible travel forks or shocks if they wanted---and still claim the bike is a liquid 25 or 50. He clearly indicates the meaning of 25 or 50 makes this incorrect. He does say that a customer can buy a liquid 25 or 50, and ask the bike shop to swap out forks or shocks differently. Even your dull wit should realize this means you were wrong, but I'm sure you will try to twist things around. I would say this is untrue. What would that be? Your question is unknown, so maybe you are "cooking the books." We spec the 25 with the SPV, the 30 and 10 belongs to our all mountain adjustable travel category (which would be the fox). And the 25 and 55 to our all mountain fixed travel (which would be the SPV). Hmmm, now I see where you start the lying, Danny. How pathetic. Anyone can go look up where we were talking about FORK specs! The shock in the frame is model-specific. No argument was ever made to the contrary. You'd better go back and do some reading, before I have to humiliate you further. Yeah right...go back to the post of your I have inserted above. Do you think the readers in this NG are as dim-witted as you are ? Or as lazy? We do not recommend shops changing out parts for others Ooops, this implies the *shop* is making the change, rather than the changes originating at the factory. I never claimed the *shop* made the change. That was *your* claim. Again, your failures in the English language could fill a book. The Trek rep is stating that they ship out bikes with a certain, model specific spec. He is also saying that your contention that a bike shop can change this spec, is not something that Trek would want the shops to do--although he also says that if a customer orders a 25 or 50, and on delivery to the shop, wants a fork or shock swapped, that is up to the customer and shop, and is fine with Trek. Hopefully your mind is capable of grasping the distinction here---there is a model spec from the manufacturer--the one I've repeatedly referred to. And the bike shops are NOT supposed to order a Trek Liquid 25 or 50, then put it in the show room to sell in the next days or weeks, and have it assembled with anything other than the parts that Trek specs to the model. If a customer wants to buy the bike, then and only then can things be swapped around. This is common sense. I can't believe you are so insecure you'd rather lie and argue about this than just admit your mistake!!!! What we spec on the bike from factory is what should be solf on the bike unless the consumer has something changed out to his liking. Exactly. The key phrase "...we spec on the bike from the factory." Not "how the bike is specced on the wesite" Factory and web spec are the same. He is giving you customer options at time of purchase as the only change to this. Hopefully someone else is reading this and they can help spell this out for you--or maybe call you and say all these words slowly for you ;-) IOW, the bikes might actually come from the factory with a different fork spec, JUST LIKE I CLAIMED. Wow. Its amazing how far you can actually stick that head of yours up your rear end. What drugs are you on? Dan V |
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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
Danny says:
huge snip If you look at the pictures of the frames, the 30 got the black paint. And if you actually read the site, it didn't... it is black anodised. Also, here is a direct quote from the Trek site: "Trek reserves the right to make changes at any time, without notice, in colors, materials, equipment, specifications and models. " Which means, if they are anything like any other company, that if their JIT ordering of Brand X forks or shocks doesn't arrive, they'll either fit what they have, or what they can get. Steve "outa here..." |
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Danny-boy flails some more! (was: Advice on a good hardtail.)
"Stephen Baker" wrote in message ... Danny says: huge snip If you look at the pictures of the frames, the 30 got the black paint. And if you actually read the site, it didn't... it is black anodised. Also, here is a direct quote from the Trek site: "Trek reserves the right to make changes at any time, without notice, in colors, materials, equipment, specifications and models. " Which means, if they are anything like any other company, that if their JIT ordering of Brand X forks or shocks doesn't arrive, they'll either fit what they have, or what they can get. Steve "outa here..." Certainly they could make a change at the last minute, but you would expect this change to be within the feature set of the model you are looking at--i.e., if you are looking at the Liquid 25 or 50, you are looking at fixed distance 5 inch travel bikes--but if you are looking at the 10 or 30, you are looking at adjustable travel bikes. I don't think anyone here is going to suggest that Trek would fit an adjustable travel shock on a 25 or 50 at the last minute, regardless of parts inventories---they would pick something which is reasonably comparable to the spec for the model. Dan V |
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