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I have a DA8 crank 7402 mated to a World Class Ti BB. This arrangement
has always creaked, and I suspect it is the arms rocking on the tapers. I have greased and teflon taped the cups and cup/bearing interfaces and the creak continues. I tighten the arms to the tapers as tight as I can, but am limited by the galling of the steel bolts to the Ti or the Al arms to the Ti tapers. I've tried greasing the tapers without success. Any other ideas? Alternatively, I have an Erikssen Ti BB to match the arms. Several years ago I was told this was unreliable since the spindles were known to break. Does anyone know about this? TIA for any suggestions or information! Cliff |
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On 18 Aug 2005 16:09:06 -0700, cliff wrote:
I have a DA8 crank 7402 mated to a World Class Ti BB. This arrangement has always creaked, and I suspect it is the arms rocking on the tapers. I have greased and teflon taped the cups and cup/bearing interfaces and the creak continues. I tighten the arms to the tapers as tight as I can, but am limited by the galling of the steel bolts to the Ti or the Al arms to the Ti tapers. I've tried greasing the tapers without success. Any other ideas? Alternatively, I have an Erikssen Ti BB to match the arms. Several years ago I was told this was unreliable since the spindles were known to break. Does anyone know about this? TIA for any suggestions or information! Cliff I have been using an Erikson Ti BB since around 1995. There was a recall in the late 90's but I don't remember the reason. I sent most everything back and received "new" stuff in about a week. My spindle was not broken, but then I weigh about 130lb so I'm as hard on equipment as some others. I don't believe Erikson is in business anymore selling components. He does run a bike touring company. I ran into him in France (2001) and he said he does have a garage full of parts. If you replace the spindle from him, be sure to also get a bunch of spare lock rings. The aluminum ones have a square corner cut for the spanner and they tend to fracture and break in the corners. BTW, my Topline aluminum cranks don't creak. I put them on dry. -- Skuke Reverse the domain name to send email |
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Cliff Ds? writes:
I have a DA8 crank 7402 mated to a World Class Ti BB. This arrangement has always creaked, and I suspect it is the arms rocking on the tapers. I have greased and Teflon taped the cups and cup/bearing interfaces and the creak continues. I tighten the arms to the tapers as tight as I can, but am limited by the galling of the steel bolts to the Ti or the Al arms to the Ti tapers. I've tried greasing the tapers without success. Any other ideas? Ti is noted for its fretting noises and its less that infinite life as a BB spindle. Get a steel one... However, your cranks are probably ruined anyway by square taper deformation of the spindle you have. Alternatively, I have an Erikssen Ti BB to match the arms. Several years ago I was told this was unreliable since the spindles were known to break. Does anyone know about this? I have no experience in using Ti parts but my associates have and that includes fractures and the kind of problem you report. Jobst Brandt |
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"cliff" wrote:
I have a DA8 crank 7402 mated to a World Class Ti BB. This arrangement has always creaked, and I suspect it is the arms rocking on the tapers. I have greased and teflon taped the cups and cup/bearing interfaces and the creak continues. I tighten the arms to the tapers as tight as I can, but am limited by the galling of the steel bolts to the Ti or the Al arms to the Ti tapers. I've tried greasing the tapers without success. Any other ideas? Personally, I'd suggest replacing the BB with a steel spindle unit. Ti is great stuff, but just not up to the task of being a reliable spindle. I weigh only about 150, and snapped a ti pedal spindle. Saving a few grams is just not worth the potential pain, IMHO. Alternatively, I have an Erikssen Ti BB to match the arms. Several years ago I was told this was unreliable since the spindles were known to break. Does anyone know about this? All ti spindles are suspect, IMHO. The design is based on the strength you get from a given VOLUME (not weight) of steel. Hence, when making a dimensionally similar part from ti, it's not as strong. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame |
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on the other foot-could be the pedals. try one foot pedaling each side only? insert beer can shims each taper side-see "crank saver" in tech archives |
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Gene Daniels advised:
insert beer can shims each taper side-see "crank saver" in tech archives Where are you gonna find titanium beer cans? Carapace Completed Umber Milwaukee, Wisconsin +----------------------------------------------+ | Always store beer in a dark place | | --Robert A. Heinlein | +----------------------------------------------+ Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041 http://harriscyclery.com Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com |
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"Sheldon Brown" wrote in message ... Gene Daniels advised: insert beer can shims each taper side-see "crank saver" in tech archives Where are you gonna find titanium beer cans? Give new meaning to "Light Beer" wondering if it will be less filling. -tom |
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right. drillum. san jose? houston? the hamptons...
when i asked around about the beer can shim idea. i gotta resounding negative from all lbs. however, unlike many forays into this area- the beer can shims worked right off the spindle and have not failed this is due to the purchase of three extra left aluminum cranks. the question remains-is there a can with a thicker wall than standard american brews? maybe not as the thinner the wall the less can production cost. for example the pull top is a ball point technical tour de stamping. and remember copper anti-seize works - it just doesn't look like it would the answer comes from experience with concurrent crank/spindle and pedal failure. oh, i got it fixed. yeah sure. |
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right. next thursday.
the shim fix has an extraordinary moment for those previously wandering into the shimit area where the fix goes on for four hours or days when the first and only choice was digging a deep... butt hear! the beer can wall thickness is unbelievably the correct dead on finite shim thickness for getting spindle and crankl back together dead center. |
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