Bikes With Short Top Tubes and High Front Ends - WAS:Interpreting Serotta Fit Cycle Data For Other Manufacturers?

You need a Litespeed Veneto, medium frame size. They stopped making them
after 2004, but some dealers still have new stock at discount prices.
Litespeed also has them as pre-owned bikes. The bike description is still
up on the Litespeed web site, along with a link to a geometry chart:

http://litespeed.com/2003/bikes/veneto.html

This frame has the longest (tallest) headtube, shortest toptube combination
of any production bike I've seen. It's a sweet ride as well.

Barry


"Steve Sr." wrote in message
...
The Previous thread was getting long and I think it is time to bend it
in a slightly different direction. Thanks to everyone who responded
and especially to Jay.

I went back to the person who did the fit and asked some more
questions about the data. For the conventional frame Fit Cycle here
are the ideal frame measurments:

Seat Tube = 55cm.

Top Tube = 55cm (but that resulted in a 70mm stem which is no good).
So the top tube should be 53cm with a 90mm stem or a rediculous 51cm
with a standard 110mm stem.

Seat and Head Tube Angle = 73.5 degrees.

Seat to Stem Height = Stem 8mm higher than seat.

I think that these are all of the important numbers. If there is
anything that I have missed let me know and I'll try to find it.

So from here it does look like I will need a bike with a shorter top
tube to fix the reach issue and a taller front end to address the
height issue.

I was originally looking at TI bikes which led me to Serotta and
Litespeed and ruled out the carbon Trek Pilot. It looks like a stock
Litespeed is probably out unless a Siena can be made to fit but the
front end might not be tall enough. The Serotta Fierte looks like it
might be a possibility in a 54S although the seat tube is a little
short

Can anyone offer any other possibilities for similar TI bikes that
have this characteristic geometry?

Thanks,

Steve

BarryG wrote:
You need a Litespeed Veneto, medium frame size. They stopped making
them
after 2004, but some dealers still have new stock at discount prices.
Litespeed also has them as pre-owned bikes. The bike description is
still
up on the Litespeed web site, along with a link to a geometry chart:

http://litespeed.com/2003/bikes/veneto.html

This frame has the longest (tallest) headtube, shortest toptube
combination
of any production bike I've seen. It's a sweet ride as well.

Barry


"Steve Sr." wrote in message
...
The Previous thread was getting long and I think it is time to bend
it
in a slightly different direction. Thanks to everyone who responded
and especially to Jay.

I went back to the person who did the fit and asked some more
questions about the data. For the conventional frame Fit Cycle here
are the ideal frame measurments:

Seat Tube = 55cm.

Top Tube = 55cm (but that resulted in a 70mm stem which is no
good).
So the top tube should be 53cm with a 90mm stem or a rediculous
51cm
with a standard 110mm stem.

Seat and Head Tube Angle = 73.5 degrees.

Seat to Stem Height = Stem 8mm higher than seat.

I think that these are all of the important numbers. If there is
anything that I have missed let me know and I'll try to find it.

So from here it does look like I will need a bike with a shorter
top
tube to fix the reach issue and a taller front end to address the
height issue.

I was originally looking at TI bikes which led me to Serotta and
Litespeed and ruled out the carbon Trek Pilot. It looks like a
stock
Litespeed is probably out unless a Siena can be made to fit but
the
front end might not be tall enough. The Serotta Fierte looks like
it
might be a possibility in a 54S although the seat tube is a little
short

Can anyone offer any other possibilities for similar TI bikes that
have this characteristic geometry?

Thanks,

Steve

I keep reading the topic of this thread as BIKES WITH SHORT TUBE
TOPS....what the heck does that say about me. That's a retorical
question.
Maggie...
Happy Thursday...counting down to Friday

"Steve Sr." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:56:16 -0000, "BarryG"
wrote:

You need a Litespeed Veneto, medium frame size. They stopped making them
after 2004, but some dealers still have new stock at discount prices.
Litespeed also has them as pre-owned bikes. The bike description is
still
up on the Litespeed web site, along with a link to a geometry chart:

http://litespeed.com/2003/bikes/veneto.html

This frame has the longest (tallest) headtube, shortest toptube
combination
of any production bike I've seen. It's a sweet ride as well.

Barry


You're absolutely right! I found out about the Veneto from talking to
the Litespeed rep. The geometry looks good based on the Fit Cycle
numbers. It appears that I'm a year too late. The rep said that it was
discontinued because there wasn't enough demand.

For this reason I haven't seen many on Ebay. The few that I have seen
are not the right size or have the wrong drive train (I'm looking for
a triple Ultegra). Do you know any way to get access to dealers
inventory? Since the bike was only discontinued last year there should
be one out there in the correct size. Does anyone have any ideas how
to find one?

Yeah, you can do what I did. Just search the internet for Litespeed dealers
or get the list direct from Litespeed. Email or call the delaers. You
shouldn't have any problem finding a med Veneto. The dealer I found was
willing to swap components to anything I wanted or to strip it and just sell
me the frame, which is what I did. I'm building it up myself with Ultegra10
triple.

Dealers have inventory.

Just use Google and look for Litespeed dealer Web sites. They usually have
an email link and just send them off a canned email that you're looking for
a medium Veneto and ask them if they have one.

"Steve Sr." wrote in message
news
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 02:51:03 -0000, "BarryG"
wrote:


"Steve Sr." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:56:16 -0000, "BarryG"
wrote:

You need a Litespeed Veneto, medium frame size. They stopped making
them
after 2004, but some dealers still have new stock at discount prices.
Litespeed also has them as pre-owned bikes. The bike description is
still
up on the Litespeed web site, along with a link to a geometry chart:

http://litespeed.com/2003/bikes/veneto.html

This frame has the longest (tallest) headtube, shortest toptube
combination
of any production bike I've seen. It's a sweet ride as well.

Barry


You're absolutely right! I found out about the Veneto from talking to
the Litespeed rep. The geometry looks good based on the Fit Cycle
numbers. It appears that I'm a year too late. The rep said that it was
discontinued because there wasn't enough demand.

For this reason I haven't seen many on Ebay. The few that I have seen
are not the right size or have the wrong drive train (I'm looking for
a triple Ultegra). Do you know any way to get access to dealers
inventory? Since the bike was only discontinued last year there should
be one out there in the correct size. Does anyone have any ideas how
to find one?

Yeah, you can do what I did. Just search the internet for Litespeed
dealers
or get the list direct from Litespeed. Email or call the delaers. You
shouldn't have any problem finding a med Veneto. The dealer I found was
willing to swap components to anything I wanted or to strip it and just
sell
me the frame, which is what I did. I'm building it up myself with
Ultegra10
triple.

Dealers have inventory.


How did you go about making your list of dealers? I checked the
Litespeed web site and the list of dealers didn't give any e-mail
addresses. I sure don't have the time to call every dealer either.
E-mail would be much more efficient.

Did you try to get any inventory information directly from Litespeed?
It seems that they should know where the Venetos got shipped. Although
I'm sure they would rather sell you a new custom than help you find a
NOS Veneto.

Steve