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Old September 11th 03, 04:20 PM
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Millar loses, current GC leader Isidro Nozal throws DOWN!

17:11 CEST
Nozal is in the final throes of this time trial now, and he has really
scored a big blow. He will win the time trial and increases his lead on GC,
but there is still a lot of racing to come.

His finishing time is 53'34, 1'20 faster than Millar! He rode the final km
in 1'05, sprinting out of the last corner to the line. He has a 2 minute
plus lead over Igor Gonzalez on GC.



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Old September 11th 03, 04:31 PM
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"Tech439 {Chet}" a écrit dans le message news:
...
Millar loses, current GC leader Isidro Nozal throws DOWN!

17:11 CEST
Nozal is in the final throes of this time trial now, and he has really
scored a big blow. He will win the time trial and increases his lead on

GC,
but there is still a lot of racing to come.

His finishing time is 53'34, 1'20 faster than Millar! He rode the final km
in 1'05, sprinting out of the last corner to the line. He has a 2 minute
plus lead over Igor Gonzalez on GC.


So with Heras almost two minutes back of Beltran, how does Postal decide who
to ride for and protect? Is 2 minutes enough to make Beltran the guy, or do
they play it day by day for now, depending on who has the legs?

General classification after stage 6

1 Isidro Nozal (Spa) O.N.C.E.-Eroski
2 Igor Gonzalez De Galdeano (Spa) O.N.C.E.-Eroski 2.27
3 Manuel Beltran (Spa) US Postal-Berry Floor 2.42
4 Klaus Möller (Den) Milaneza-MSS 4.16
5 Roberto Heras (Spa) US Postal-Berry Floor 4.35




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Old September 11th 03, 04:52 PM
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"trg" wrote in message
...
"Tech439 {Chet}" a écrit dans le message news:
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Millar loses, current GC leader Isidro Nozal throws DOWN!

17:11 CEST
Nozal is in the final throes of this time trial now, and he has really
scored a big blow. He will win the time trial and increases his lead on

GC,
but there is still a lot of racing to come.

His finishing time is 53'34, 1'20 faster than Millar! He rode the final

km
in 1'05, sprinting out of the last corner to the line. He has a 2 minute
plus lead over Igor Gonzalez on GC.


So with Heras almost two minutes back of Beltran, how does Postal decide

who
to ride for and protect? Is 2 minutes enough to make Beltran the guy, or do
they play it day by day for now, depending on who has the legs?




That's simple, protect both of them and let both of them ride for themselves.


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Old September 11th 03, 06:18 PM
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"trg" wrote
So with Heras almost two minutes back of Beltran, how does Postal decide

who
to ride for and protect? Is 2 minutes enough to make Beltran the guy, or

do
they play it day by day for now, depending on who has the legs?


In 95 % of such cases The Mountains decide.


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Old September 11th 03, 06:44 PM
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"Bart" a écrit dans le message de
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"trg" wrote
So with Heras almost two minutes back of Beltran, how does Postal decide

who
to ride for and protect? Is 2 minutes enough to make Beltran the guy, or

do
they play it day by day for now, depending on who has the legs?


In 95 % of such cases The Mountains decide.


So if Postal is down to 3 in the lead group- Heras, Beltran and Rubiera, do
all three take turns in front, making both team "leaders" expend energy?
When Chechu gets dropped, do you think Heras and Beltran will decide between
them who is stronger that day and the other will become the last "booster
stage"? Manolo Saiz was criticized by many for not deciding on Igor GdG or
Beloki in the 2002 tour and planning his tactics accordingly. The sooner
this decision is made, the better if will be for the chance for a postie to
take yellow.

Of course ONCE is in the same position. And Saiz is not as good a tactician
as Bruneel.

I don't believe that Postal had a designated leader at the start of the
race. Comments made by the domestiques pre-race talked about supporting
Heras, Beltran, Rubiera and Landis, but at what point does Bruneel make the
decision to put his eggs in one basket?


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Old September 11th 03, 07:17 PM
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"Bart" a écrit dans le message de
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"trg" wrote
Manolo Saiz was criticized by many for not deciding on Igor GdG or
Beloki in the 2002 tour and planning his tactics accordingly. The

sooner
this decision is made, the better if will be for the chance for a postie

to
take yellow.


Why decide before they have seen a mountain?

Agreed, we have to at least see who has their mountain legs on. But as a
matter of strategy, what if they are about equal in the next stage? And the
stage after that?

Winning a 3 week tour is all about saving energy. If you tire out two riders
trying to see which one might be slightly stronger, rather than conserving
one as much as possible, that could be a fatal mistake.


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Old September 11th 03, 09:04 PM
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trg wrote:
Agreed, we have to at least see who has their mountain legs on. But as a
matter of strategy, what if they are about equal in the next stage? And the
stage after that?


Winning a 3 week tour is all about saving energy. If you tire out two riders
trying to see which one might be slightly stronger, rather than conserving
one as much as possible, that could be a fatal mistake.



If they are equal in the mountains then the decision is easy. Beltran
leads. He's ahead on time and a much better time trialist.

Last year Postal delivered Heras to the final TT with a lead of over
a minute. He coughed up 3:22 at the end. He needs to be a lot better
than Beltran in the mountains. If they're even then then decision is
easy.

Bob Schwartz

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Old September 12th 03, 12:21 AM
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Don't you understand that they just nailed ONCE with their own
strategy?

"trg" wrote in message
...
"Tech439 {Chet}" a écrit dans le message

news:
...
Millar loses, current GC leader Isidro Nozal throws DOWN!

17:11 CEST
Nozal is in the final throes of this time trial now, and he has

really
scored a big blow. He will win the time trial and increases his

lead on
GC,
but there is still a lot of racing to come.

His finishing time is 53'34, 1'20 faster than Millar! He rode the

final km
in 1'05, sprinting out of the last corner to the line. He has a 2

minute
plus lead over Igor Gonzalez on GC.


So with Heras almost two minutes back of Beltran, how does Postal

decide who
to ride for and protect? Is 2 minutes enough to make Beltran the

guy, or do
they play it day by day for now, depending on who has the legs?

General classification after stage 6

1 Isidro Nozal (Spa) O.N.C.E.-Eroski
2 Igor Gonzalez De Galdeano (Spa) O.N.C.E.-Eroski 2.27
3 Manuel Beltran (Spa) US Postal-Berry Floor 2.42
4 Klaus Möller (Den) Milaneza-MSS 4.16
5 Roberto Heras (Spa) US Postal-Berry Floor 4.35






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Old September 12th 03, 10:11 AM
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Listening to the remarks from the team you wouldn't know who is the team
leader. They always talk about supporting Heras and Beltran, and sometimes
Rubiera and Landis. But when the team for the Vuelta was announced, there
wasn't a question.

This is a quote from Bruyneel-

"The team will be led by Roberto, who deserves to be the leader of our team
at the Vuelta," said Johan Bruyneel, the team's director sportif. "I think
our team is probably the strongest we have ever sent to the Vuelta in our
history. Roberto is fully recovered from the Tour de France and said he is
ready to go for it."

"Bruyneel added the team will have great support for Heras in the mountain
stages in Rubiera, Landis and Beltran along with added strength on the flats
with the addition of Hincapie to ride alongside White, Van Heeswijk, Barry
and Joachim. "

This could be a tactic of Bruyneel. Play it close to the chest. Maybe Heras
is the guy (when he's on form he's the best pure climber on the team, if not
the world), but they want to make ONCE cover both of them. That would be
classic Bruyneel.

Anyway, we should see soon.





"Bob Schwartz" a écrit dans le message news:
...
trg wrote:
Agreed, we have to at least see who has their mountain legs on. But as a
matter of strategy, what if they are about equal in the next stage? And

the
stage after that?


Winning a 3 week tour is all about saving energy. If you tire out two

riders
trying to see which one might be slightly stronger, rather than

conserving
one as much as possible, that could be a fatal mistake.



If they are equal in the mountains then the decision is easy. Beltran
leads. He's ahead on time and a much better time trialist.

Last year Postal delivered Heras to the final TT with a lead of over
a minute. He coughed up 3:22 at the end. He needs to be a lot better
than Beltran in the mountains. If they're even then then decision is
easy.

Bob Schwartz



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Old September 12th 03, 02:36 PM
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"trg" wrote in message

This could be a tactic of Bruyneel. Play it close to the chest. Maybe

Heras
is the guy (when he's on form he's the best pure climber on the team, if

not
the world), but they want to make ONCE cover both of them. That would be
classic Bruyneel.



How is this "classic Bruyneel"?

It certainly is not.


 




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