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Bicyclist Fatalities in AZ 2009
On Dec 10, 9:01*am, Duane Hébert wrote:
On 12/10/2010 10:56 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Dec 10, 8:55 am, Duane H *wrote: On 12/10/2010 1:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Dec 9, 12:52 pm, Duane H * *wrote: On 12/9/2010 12:37 PM, Phil W Lee wrote: If that's the case, you are going to be ground meat whichever part of the road you are using, since the truck will only have 9" each side in the lane. In which case I'm getting out of the way. Onto the sidewalk again, eh? Ground meat again eh? *If those are the two choices, I know which I will take. Hmm. *Given your fears, I suppose Quebec must have special Ground Meat Crews to scrape away all the dead cyclists! - Frank Krygowski **** you. +1 DR |
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On Dec 10, 11:09*pm, Jay Beattie wrote:
That's the deal -- the only reason why a general book on "bicycles and the law" makes any sense is that in the United States, most states have adopted some version of the Uniform Vehicle Code which has about ten or so provisions relating to bicycles. *Most states have adopted those provisions with changes, and in Oregon, significant changes. And in Quebec, probably not at all. *Anyway, *I'm sure Bob would appreciate your buying his book, but it would probably be meaningless in Quebec, unless he has a section for each Canadian province. I would skip his book and buy whatever the Province is publishing for bicyclists. *Every government seems to have its bicycle book. I agree, that's a minimal first step for someone willing to do a little learning. I wonder how many cyclists ever bother to read those? Lots of people seem to assume they're expert cyclists, even though they've never bothered to try to learn from anything other than their own imagination. They think there's really nothing to learn about bicycling. Reading is the first step to doing better. - Frank Krygowski |
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On 12/10/2010 10:42 PM, Dan 0vermĒn wrote:
[...] You are on the verge of alienating just about*everybody* this time. It is pathetic to watch you never give up trying to discredit everything that doesn't say. "Frank is so right". Talk about "assholeness". How pompous and presumptuous to assume what is relevent to anyone else's life.[...] What does it say when so many are perturbed by Frank Krygowski sticking to his points, posting citations, etc, yet almost no one seems to mind anonymous trolls who insult, post verifiable falsehoods, etc? -- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Dec 10, 9:30 pm, Tēm ShermĒn °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 12/10/2010 10:42 PM, Dan 0verm n wrote: [...] You are on the verge of alienating just about*everybody* this time. It is pathetic to watch you never give up trying to discredit everything that doesn't say. "Frank is so right". Talk about "assholeness". How pompous and presumptuous to assume what is relevent to anyone else's life.[...] What does it say when so many are perturbed by Frank Krygowski sticking to his points, posting citations, etc, yet almost no one seems to mind anonymous trolls who insult, post verifiable falsehoods, etc? I like you, too, Tom - a lot. And I do feel bad about many of the things I say. But I do think smarmy, personal derision is very bad style - even or maybe especially in an argument. (Abuse is down the hall :-) |
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On Dec 10, 10:09*pm, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Look: When I take a typical bike ride, I'm probably passed by hundreds of motorists. I know all about that situation. The typical motorist around here probably doesn't pass even one cyclist per day. Holy crap! No wonder you think you can get away with the **** you do. On many of the roads around here a half hour drive would probably take a driver past 50 or more cyclists. If even a few of them tried your antics regularly there would be an army of hostile drivers. There are roads here where there are no shoulders and it is NOT possible for a driver to pass a cyclist without crossing into the oncoming lane, even if the cyclist is riding safely competently, legally and courteously at the right side of the road. Add a ****tard who thinks he is going to dictate to the driver when it is safe to pass by riding in the middle of the lane (forcing the driver completely into the other lane in order to pass) and see if you don't encounter some overt hostility. He's not sure what to do. But probably has a very good idea what he wants to do. There's no question I know more than he does. *Why should I not be the one making the decisions? Thanks, Frank.We can now at least identify the limited group you look down on and feel superior to. It is "OTHERS." DR |
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On Dec 10, 10:30*pm, Tēm ShermĒn °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 12/10/2010 10:42 PM, Dan 0verm n wrote: * [...] You are on the verge of alienating just about*everybody* *this time. It is pathetic to watch you never give up trying to discredit everything that doesn't say. "Frank is so right". *Talk about "assholeness". *How pompous and presumptuous to assume what is relevent to anyone else's life.[...] What does it say when so many are perturbed by Frank Krygowski sticking to his points, posting citations, etc, yet almost no one seems to mind anonymous trolls who insult, post verifiable falsehoods, etc? The disdain for Frank IS the precisely because of his insults and posting verifiable falsehoods. Was there some point you were trying to make? DR |
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On Dec 10, 8:14*pm, "Duane Hebert" wrote:
"T m Sherm n _ " " wrote in ... On 12/10/2010 3:20 PM, Duane H bert wrote: On 12/10/2010 4:13 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Dec 10, 11:18 am, wrote: On Dec 9, 9:43 am, Frank wrote: Vehicular Cycling pays minor lip service to 'looked but failed to see' incidents but insists, contrary to all statistical evidence, that merely following the basic rules of the road for drivers of vehicles will bestow upon one all the tools reasonably necessary to avoid them. Nope, that's a lie. We've been over this repeatedly. If what you say were true, then the book _Effective Cycling_, the pamphlet "Street Smarts" and the recognized cycling courses like Smart Cycling by the LAB, the Florida Bicycle Association's "CycleSavvy" course, Can-Bike's courses, and Franklin's _Cyclecraft_ wouldn't teach things like instant turns, emergency braking and other crash avoidance techniques. Anticipation and crash avoidance (eg swerving and panic stops) are two completely different animals. If you're swerving or panic stopping, your anticipation has failed you. What does VC have to say about anticipating the mistakes of other road users? As with Duane, I can help you find a library if you like. Your an idiot. Correction: "You're an idiot". Thanks. *So that should be "You're an idiot" then? Well, not by himself. Tom is an idiot along with Frank. DR |
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On 12/10/2010 11:28 PM, DirtRoadie WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES:
On Dec 10, 9:01 am, Duane wrote: On 12/10/2010 10:56 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Dec 10, 8:55 am, Duane H wrote: On 12/10/2010 1:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Dec 9, 12:52 pm, Duane H wrote: On 12/9/2010 12:37 PM, Phil W Lee wrote: If that's the case, you are going to be ground meat whichever part of the road you are using, since the truck will only have 9" each side in the lane. In which case I'm getting out of the way. Onto the sidewalk again, eh? Ground meat again eh? If those are the two choices, I know which I will take. Hmm. Given your fears, I suppose Quebec must have special Ground Meat Crews to scrape away all the dead cyclists! - Frank Krygowski **** you. +1 DR Good to see the maturity and civility of the group being preserved. /sarcasm -- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On 12/11/2010 12:01 AM, DirtRoadie wrote:
Holy crap! No wonder you think you can get away with the **** you do. On many of the roads around here a half hour drive would probably take a driver past 50 or more cyclists. I doubt that I have passed 50 cyclists in a motor vehicle this year. -- Tēm ShermĒn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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On Dec 10, 11:13*pm, Tēm ShermĒn °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 12/10/2010 11:28 PM, DirtRoadie WHO? ANONYMOUSLY SNIPES: On Dec 10, 9:01 am, Duane H *wrote: On 12/10/2010 10:56 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Dec 10, 8:55 am, Duane H * *wrote: On 12/10/2010 1:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Dec 9, 12:52 pm, Duane H * * *wrote: On 12/9/2010 12:37 PM, Phil W Lee wrote: If that's the case, you are going to be ground meat whichever part of the road you are using, since the truck will only have 9" each side in the lane. In which case I'm getting out of the way. Onto the sidewalk again, eh? Ground meat again eh? *If those are the two choices, I know which I will take. Hmm. *Given your fears, I suppose Quebec must have special Ground Meat Crews to scrape away all the dead cyclists! - Frank Krygowski **** you. +1 DR Good to see the maturity and civility of the group being preserved. /sarcasm +2 /sincerity DR |
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